AKCJ Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Major reason that we're top 5 this season and bottom five last season is the midfield. You keep those glasses on. Wide of the mark to suggest that the reason for that is Cambiasso. He was utterly brilliant and Drinkwater did not play half as good as he has been playing this season. One thing I noticed in the press conference after was that CR said we had to go and attack being 2 down we would rather lost 4-0 and try then 2-0 and not. I don't think you would ever of heard NP say that. Could argue that we didn't go 2-0 down every other game...
DB11 Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Major reason that we're top 5 this season and bottom five last season is the midfield. You keep those glasses on. I think the major difference is experience. The players had last year to adjust and get used to the Prem whilst still being a bit fearful of the opposition
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Usual suspects getting in their thinly veiled digs at Cambiasso....Crazy.Usual suspects refusing to even examine where this team needed to improve..and has.Crazy... I defy anyone to genuinely state that we had a better midfield last season than we do this. And that's NOT all about Cambiasso. At some things he was great. At tracking back with energy and vigour..not so great. I also agree with the above...last season Drinkwater wasn't as good. I wonder though whether that was because he wasn't first choice midfielder. Cambiasso was. However..With that I'll stop. If not I'll get banned.
ScouseFox Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 cambiasso is/was better than all our midfielders now, that's obvious, he's still bossing champions league games against arsenal (who a few days earlier we got destroyed by...) but cambiasso with a horrendously out of form and confidence drinkwater and dean hammond is not a patch on the new drinky & kante partnership. next.
Fox92 Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Occasionally, particularly during our poor period, we were very defensive in games... Vardy played up front on his own, for instance. I know we play a 4411 now but Vardy seems to have more support. He is playing with more confidence too. The midfield have been better so far this season and I've been very impressed with Drinkwater and Kante.
Bayfox Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Just had a quick look at like for like fixtures and ignoring the 2 promoted sides so 1 point at Bournemouth and a Win at Norwich From games against the same sides last season we have taken 12 points by my Maths. Sunderland Home W 3 West Ham Away W 3 Spurs Home D 1 Villa Home W 3 Stoke Away D 1 Arsenal Home L 0 Southampton Away D 1 Compared with 8 over the same fixtures last year, hopefully that shows a sign of progress, learning and intent.
The Doctor Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Major reason that we're top 5 this season and bottom five last season is the midfield. You keep those glasses on. Eh, no. The major reason was Pearson bottling it October to march and playing for the 0-0. We turned from relegation certs to top half quality in the last nine because we were unshackled and went for it, the loss of cambiasso in midfield hasn't been the difference, particularly since we don't look any better than the april/may team of last year.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Eh, no. The major reason was Pearson bottling it October to march and playing for the 0-0. We turned from relegation certs to top half quality in the last nine because we were unshackled and went for it, the loss of cambiasso in midfield hasn't been the difference, particularly since we don't look any better than the april/may team of last year. You and others are pinpointing Cambiasso. I'm saying the midfield is far better both offensively and defensively. If you want to blame Cambiasso for that fine but I'm not doing that. It's not just one person or one player.
The Doctor Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 You and others are pinpointing Cambiasso. I'm saying the midfield is far better both offensively and defensively. If you want to blame Cambiasso for that fine but I'm not doing that. It's not just one person or one player. You're quite clearly pinpointing cambiasso given your history... still the point remains that the major change from this time last year is the approach, not the personnel.
Charl91 Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Usual suspects refusing to even examine where this team needed to improve..and has. Crazy... I defy anyone to genuinely state that we had a better midfield last season than we do this. And that's NOT all about Cambiasso. At some things he was great. At tracking back with energy and vigour..not so great. I also agree with the above...last season Drinkwater wasn't as good. I wonder though whether that was because he wasn't first choice midfielder. Cambiasso was. However..With that I'll stop. If not I'll get banned. You do realise our good run last season started with Cambiasso in the team, right? And during that good run, we probably conceded a lot less goals than we are doing this season. ^ As said above, what changed is when we changed our mentality from defensive to offensive. It's so bloody obvious, it's unreal.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 You're quite clearly pinpointing cambiasso given your history... still the point remains that the major change from this time last year is the approach, not the personnel. By approach do you mean using midfielders who can cover a man defensively and pass forward?
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 You're quite clearly pinpointing cambiasso given your history... still the point remains that the major change from this time last year is the approach, not the personnel. I think that massively does Kante and Drinkwater a disservice. Kante is exactly what this team needed. To say it's all about approach is pretty ridiculous Doc. He's the engine room of that midfield. Any team needs one.
narboroughblue Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It was an absolute pleasure to watch Cambiasso in a Leicester shirt last year but the energy of this seasons midfield outdoes that quality for a team like us. The get it and give forwards to the wide men and forwards works with our players and that wasn't the style of last years midfield. That along with more quality in the final third have made us an exciting proposition compared to some of last years dark days. Sometimes players with less quality work in a system and at the moment what we have going forwards is perfect for us. At the back, well work in progress for sure.....
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 It was an absolute pleasure to watch Cambiasso in a Leicester shirt last year but the energy of this seasons midfield outdoes that quality for a team like us. The get it and give forwards to the wide men and forwards works with our players and that wasn't the style of last years midfield. That along with more quality in the final third have made us an exciting proposition compared to some of last years dark days. Sometimes players with less quality work in a system and at the moment what we have going forwards is perfect for us. At the back, well work in progress for sure..... I'd argue that the midfield going backwards is much better than last year. Schlupp and albrighton cover the FBs and Kanté and Drinky cover the centre. Maybe our defence isn't as good - due to the system but the actual midfielders are doing a much better job on the defensive side of things.
The Doctor Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 By approach do you mean using midfielders who can cover a man defensively and pass forward? When I said we stopped playing for the 0-0 and attacked, was it not clear enough for you? I can draw a picture if that helps.
The Doctor Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 I think that massively does Kante and Drinkwater a disservice. Kante is exactly what this team needed. To say it's all about approach is pretty ridiculous Doc. He's the engine room of that midfield. Any team needs one. James did a similar job last season, as did King in spells - the difference between now and this time last season is exactly the same as the difference between this time last season and the final 9 games of last season - we're setting up to play for the win - no diamonds, no lone strikers with no intent to get the ball to them. The change compared to October-March last season is not the midfield, good as they've been, it's the offensive intent in our play.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 When I said we stopped playing for the 0-0 and attacked, was it not clear enough for you? I can draw a picture if that helps. So you're talking bollox then.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 James did a similar job last season, as did King in spells - the difference between now and this time last season is exactly the same as the difference between this time last season and the final 9 games of last season - we're setting up to play for the win - no diamonds, no lone strikers with no intent to get the ball to them. The change compared to October-March last season is not the midfield, good as they've been, it's the offensive intent in our play. No, that's just 1 change and in some of our opinions ( maybe not as important as yours) it is far from the most important factor.
The Doctor Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 So you're talking bollox then. So, just to clarify, we had as much attacking intent vs Southampton last season where we didn't create a decent chance until stoppage time, as we did this weekend. You're legit crazy.
Guest Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 So, just to clarify, we had as much attacking intent vs Southampton last season where we didn't create a decent chance until stoppage time, as we did this weekend. You're legit crazy. No what's bollox is your crazy idea that the only difference (or even the most important difference) is that we have more attacking intent than last season. you're legit scottish
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 That period of the season was horrible to watch, we was a completely different team. Too defensive, dodgy tactics and vulnerable substitutions from NP. We are definitely a team that needs to play on the attack, proved it in the championship and is proving it the start and end of last season and so far this season. This. Kante and Fuchs are very good players and additions for us no doubt. We won 7 out of 9 without them and Drinky only playing a bit part last season, when we realised it was all or nothing, however. So for me main difference between our dismal run incl the Palace game and now is having that same attacking philosophy. For anyone who cared to listen (which I remember was at best 1/10 in agreement) all last season I put forward that between October and April, in the main our tactics were nullifying our strengths that proved so effective in the Championship the previous year. Ranieri seems to grasped this thankfully
Jordan Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 The difference in the midfield from Southampton away last season and Southampton away this season is that our club doesn't bother worrying about possession stats and whether or not we'll be overrun in the midfield. Last season, Pearson set up in a diamond midfield with Cambiasso, James, Drinkwater, and King. A concern about a midfield being overrun turned into four midfielders having no place to run, and it was so easy for Southampton to control that game (and adding a lethal touch with a good substitution of Long later on). When we had the ball, we had no place to really go with it. There was nobody to get the ball to out wide. We couldn't press up front. Vardy would drift to the wing. Was the game plan to just try to hold it together in the midfield, and then hope Ulloa could hold the ball up enough to allow the full backs to make overlapping runs? I don't know. Ranieri never used more than 2 CMs, and he played with two wingers. By having such a strong bench (despite the lack of forwards), he may have gotten more out of Dyer and Mahrez playing a hard 45 minutes against players with 45 minutes of running already done instead of 90 minutes with no extra gas in the tank. There's no need to play with a 3rd or even 4th CM because we don't need to have a lot of possession to create chances, and there's no reason to use one less attacking threat if we're more likely to win a game 3-2 than lose 1-0. We'll get the ball when we get it, and when we do, we'll attack. We're so much more positive away this year, not just from last season, but compared to lots of other teams in this league.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 Eh, no. The major reason was Pearson bottling it October to march and playing for the 0-0. We turned from relegation certs to top half quality in the last nine because we were unshackled and went for it, the loss of cambiasso in midfield hasn't been the difference, particularly since we don't look any better than the april/may team of last year. If I'd have seen this post it would have saved me time cocking around on an IPhone. So....this.
The Doctor Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 No what's bollox is your crazy idea that the only difference (or even the most important difference) is that we have more attacking intent than last season. you're legit scottish It very much is the crucial factor - if not and its the change in midfield personnel as you suggest, explain the final nine games of last season. Eligible to play for them if I were any good, so correct. Irrelevant, but correct at least,
Leicesterpool Posted 20 October 2015 Posted 20 October 2015 I found funny how some of those pundits last season that said Leicester were dead and buried at christmas, have all suddenly gone quiet. Not even holding their hands up and admitting it themselves... Jason Cundy Matt Le Tissier (tipped Leicester to go down this season aswell!) Jimmy Bullard Alan Shearer
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