cambridgefox Posted 3 November 2015 Posted 3 November 2015 i see your point. in my line of work i see all these approvals for everything from food, chemical, toys, extreme weather etc. there was the BPA scandal a few years ago when the americans said it was a carcinogen which is why all baby bottles say BPA free now...even though the material they are using cannot contain BPA. glass will always be the safer option if you are worried about chemicals and tests. only thing is glass is more expensive to make as opposed to plastic. Never mind that,can you get me a good trade price of stretch wrap and Lay flat tubing?
davieG Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 I see they do soup in plastic containers which look just like an excuse to charge more as it appears more 'posh' than a tin can.
AyewJoking Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 And which wheelie bin are we supposed to throw them in? the neighbours
Captain... Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 Interesting idea, there are some practical aspects as mentioned above, there are going to have to be some serious cost reductions to make any established company replace their canning lines, but a start up looking for a USP will certainly consider it. I don't agree with @@MPH 's point on shelf life, companies will be interested in longer shelf life as it means less waste at the a manufacturing and distribution level. It gives you more flexibility with forecasts, and more room for flexibility. If I am forecasting selling 1.2 million cans over the next year, I will most likely have these orders scheduled well in advance to get the best value from my supplier, you don't just order 1.2 million, you will order 1.2 million over the year and get 100,000 manufactured a month, but you will forecast 1.2million and work out costs based manufacturing 1.2million, which would be less than placing an order for 100,000 every month. Now if you have over forecast and can't sell it, you will end up with a back log of stock and a greater risk of your stock passing its sell by date, unless you can flog it off cheap, thus eating into your margin. If you can increase that sell by date, say from 1 year to 3 years, then if you have over forecast, you can reduce your forecast and orders for the next year without having to write-off stock. This will be the same for supermarkets, who bear the burden of goods going out of date in the store, they will be prepared to pay more for goods that last longer which will reduce shrinkage and waste. They will also be prepared to place bigger orders as the risk is reduced. Suppliers of canned goods are not going to worried about a few cans sitting in someone's home for a few more months before going off, if you have bought something and left it to go off, then you probably aren't a big consumer of that product so if it has gone off before you can use it you will think twice before buying it again as you have just wasted money. Increased shelf lives will benefit all, but any added cost will make most people think twice, same with increased strength, it is very easy to dent a tin can, and nobody wants to buy a dented can, again benefit has to outweigh cost. As for it being clear and see through being a good thing or a bad thing, if the contents looks better unseen, then they can cover it, nobody is forcing them to make it see through, they can cover up the contents with a label or use opaque plastic. I'm surprised that as a plastic product there isn't some way to make them re-sealable, that would be an added bonus in my eyes. If it costs the same as tin can then I can see lots of benefits, if it is more expensive then it will take a long time for companies to adopt this.
davieG Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 I think people will be prepared to pay more for a plastic container if it's marketed well, see comment above re soup. Unlike football in this instance plastics will be perceived as superior to tin pot.
johnny the fox Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 This is a disaster for me....because I love kicking it down the road...
MPH Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 Interesting idea, there are some practical aspects as mentioned above, there are going to have to be some serious cost reductions to make any established company replace their canning lines, but a start up looking for a USP will certainly consider it. I don't agree with @@MPH 's point on shelf life, companies will be interested in longer shelf life as it means less waste at the a manufacturing and distribution level. It gives you more flexibility with forecasts, and more room for flexibility. If I am forecasting selling 1.2 million cans over the next year, I will most likely have these orders scheduled well in advance to get the best value from my supplier, you don't just order 1.2 million, you will order 1.2 million over the year and get 100,000 manufactured a month, but you will forecast 1.2million and work out costs based manufacturing 1.2million, which would be less than placing an order for 100,000 every month. Now if you have over forecast and can't sell it, you will end up with a back log of stock and a greater risk of your stock passing its sell by date, unless you can flog it off cheap, thus eating into your margin. If you can increase that sell by date, say from 1 year to 3 years, then if you have over forecast, you can reduce your forecast and orders for the next year without having to write-off stock. This will be the same for supermarkets, who bear the burden of goods going out of date in the store, they will be prepared to pay more for goods that last longer which will reduce shrinkage and waste. They will also be prepared to place bigger orders as the risk is reduced. But its all about the consumer. they'll just end up ordering less surely because the consumer is buying less? How can that be good for long term buinsess? Sell less = less profit If you order less from a supplier you don't get as much discount either so costs will go up too...
Captain... Posted 4 November 2015 Posted 4 November 2015 But its all about the consumer. they'll just end up ordering less surely because the consumer is buying less? How can that be good for long term buinsess? Sell less = less profit If you order less from a supplier you don't get as much discount either so costs will go up too... But why are they ordering less? I'm not going to buy less baked beans because they last longer, apart from the odd can that goes out of date in my cupboard which I will normally eat anyway. If a shop ends up having to throw away a load of stock because it is out of date, then it will order less next time. A long shelf life will also encourage shops to take a risk on a new product as they will have more time to sell it.
Rob1742 Posted 10 November 2015 Posted 10 November 2015 If we are talking food and how it is packed? here is a interesting one for you. Did you know that most chilled foods you see in the cabinets are not as fresh as they appear, and in many cases they have been frozen before they are thawed and put in the chiller. Chilled food on the face of it, appears a fresher option to the consumer, so you tend to be happy to pay a premium for it, much to the pleasure of the supermarkets. However, your best option in many cases is actual frozen food, which is cheaper, but in most cases just as good as the more expensive chilled option. Chilled was created to take more money from your wallet.
Samilktray Posted 10 November 2015 Posted 10 November 2015 I've never heard of that happening in my life.
Head Honcho Posted 10 November 2015 Posted 10 November 2015 I'm totally against all processed food. We need to educate people on the benefits of eating fresh food and not waste money researching how to make tinned products more appealing.
ozleicester Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 Bloody foreign plastic cans coming in here taking our metal cans jobs! Theyll give you cancer, rape your pepper pot and just sit on the shelf for years doing nothing. - Daily Mail
davieG Posted 11 November 2015 Posted 11 November 2015 I bought what I thought was a fresh baked loaf from the coop after all it was still warm to the touch. When I cut into it I found it was still frozen in the middle. I'd imagine a lot of so called fresh food is frozen before it hits the shelves.
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