Wymsey Posted 23 February 2016 Posted 23 February 2016 If we were to leave, we would need to establish more of a working relationship with Ireland and Scotland - the former country will be the most difficult. It's a slight shame we didn't change from pounds to euros a few years back, on the other hand.
Strokes Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 It's a slight shame we didn't change from pounds to euros a few years back, on the other hand.How on earth do you come to that conclusion? We could be in as much trouble as greece if we had joined the Euro.
leicsmac Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 I hope people on the leave side don't use Norway and Switzerland as examples of what we could be. We are a far bigger nation with far more people, we're the fifth biggest economy in the World, something those two countries could only dream of. We have millions of people across the planet from doctors to lawyers to who would do anything to be able to live and work here. An independent Great Britain will be far mightier than those two countries in standing and strength, we're really doing ourselves a disservice if that's the comparison. Look at America instead and at what they built after declaring independence. We don't have the manpower (nor the disregard for human rights) to be a manufacturing behemoth like China, nor the economic capability to build up our military in the same way as the US have done. So what exact niche can we fill on the world stage that would make us be able to stand on our own as a 'Great Power'? As for helping to keep the peace since WW2. The EU has had absolutely nothing to do with it. NATO remains the only counter to Russia and China that's worth a dime. American and Russian nuclear weapons have kept the peace since WW2. The fact that we have a treaty saying we'll be defended if the Russians got too leery is purely incidental.
Vacamion Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 We're Great Britain after all. [A pedant writes] I love GB as much as the next man, but the "Great" was added to differentiate us from Brittany and was not intended to be a qualitative assessment. Having had a flick through the last few pages, it is amazing how the arguments in this thread mirror the Scottish referendum. The "leave" guys being the Nats, this time...
digitalalba Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 PR, sensible and democratic Know of a better alternative? In 2010, 52.8% of all votes cast, didn't get someone into Parliament. First past the post is the most undemocratic voting system, and that's why we have it. 50% of votes in the election (15m) went to losing candidates, while 74% of votes (22m) were ‘wasted’ – i.e. they didn't contribute to electing the MP http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/blog/system-crisis#sthash.0iDag9sq.dpuf At least the EU voting system is reasonably fair, which brings me to what will happen to UKIP if the leave campaign wins, will they crash as a political force? They will lose 13? MEP's, that's got to be more than 50% of their electoral success, one of the reasons they got 4 million votes last year.
digitalalba Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 Which PR system? Proportional Representation, not the PR+ or - nonsense that we voted for a few years back. PR means that if you get 10% of the votes, you get 10% of the MP's, absolutely straight forward and perfectly democratic.
digitalalba Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 The European Union has many flaws. I know people who think there is nothing to be corrected and, despite our friendships, I would argue they were wrong. I'm also unashamedly patriotic and the thought of going alone again is always going to sound appealing. We're Great Britain after all. Yet, I also love our country too much to put our position in the International Market at risk. Standing alone has advantages, but if we go it alone, we will still be subject to European laws regardless. Norway and Switzerland are, despite being used as an example of a Brexit. What good business practice comes from negotiation without a voice? The United States is a Union, don't forget, so the Union with our European allies is the only thing that can truly counter act our transatlantic friends from over monopolising the free market (despite our strong ties). Finally, it has played a part in keeping the peace since the end of World War Two. I'm no pacifist but that's surely good? So, whilst not everything about it is perfect, I shall be voting for our United Kingdom to remain part of an United Europe. No we won't, we will be able to create our own laws you gorm. Even states in the US have differing laws. Keeping the peace? No, look at all the millions of people voting against the EU, and they're IN the stupid thing. Are we at war with European countires NOT in the EU, no. You will be voting for an anti-democratic organisation, and you want to pay for it out of your pocket too. You must be on some horrific drugs.
digitalalba Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 If we were to leave, we would need to establish more of a working relationship with Ireland and Scotland - the former country will be the most difficult. It's a slight shame we didn't change from pounds to euros a few years back, on the other hand. If we leave, Scotland will be leaving with us, it's a British decision. Ireland will be in a similar position to the other EU countries.
ramboacdc Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 $ and € in freefall today. have not made a positive since the date was set. for me who works for a company buying in both these currencies its worrying.
Webbo Posted 24 February 2016 Author Posted 24 February 2016 $ and € in freefall today. have not made a positive since the date was set. for me who works for a company buying in both these currencies its worrying. Business doesn't like uncertainty, it's to be expected. Shouldn't have any bearing on the vote.
Darkon84 Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 $ and € in freefall today. have not made a positive since the date was set. for me who works for a company buying in both these currencies its worrying. This isn't good. That bastards could have waited, I'm off to Munich twice and Dublin once in the next 6 weeks, I'm going to get fleeced on the exchange rate!
ramboacdc Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 Business doesn't like uncertainty, it's to be expected. Shouldn't have any bearing on the vote. it should have some bearing, will be bringing prices of a lot of things up. oil being the first one i can think of (since i work in the petrochemicals industry I have to know) when the price of oil starts going up but the £ to $ goes down too.
ramboacdc Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 This isn't good. That bastards could have waited, I'm off to Munich twice and Dublin once in the next 6 weeks, I'm going to get fleeced on the exchange rate! my advise is buy today. its gone from €1.32 for a £ to €1.26 in 3 days. When you are buying stuff worth hundreds of thousands of euros, its a huge difference.
Darkon84 Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 my advise is buy today. its gone from €1.32 for a £ to €1.26 in 3 days. When you are buying stuff worth hundreds of thousands of euros, its a huge difference. That's exactly my plan. I was going to yesterday when I saw the drop, but didn't have time. I fear the longer I leave it, the worse it's going to get unfortunately, so it's time to bite the bullet and just get them.
ramboacdc Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 That's exactly my plan. I was going to yesterday when I saw the drop, but didn't have time. I fear the longer I leave it, the worse it's going to get unfortunately, so it's time to bite the bullet and just get them. http://www.investing.com/currencies/gbp-eur its getting close to you only getting 1.25
Webbo Posted 24 February 2016 Author Posted 24 February 2016 it should have some bearing, will be bringing prices of a lot of things up. oil being the first one i can think of (since i work in the petrochemicals industry I have to know) when the price of oil starts going up but the £ to $ goes down too. But it's temporary, it doesn't mean it'll stay like that after the referendum whatever the decision.
ramboacdc Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 But it's temporary, it doesn't mean it'll stay like that after the referendum whatever the decision. but after a leave vote how many companies would leave the UK? with no euro support for the pound as well and paying more in import prices would go higher too. would need to strike some deals fast.
Rincewind Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 What would happen to the companies like rail gas electricity and others that other countries own parts of. Will car manufacturers find it cheaper to move abroad if ne UK employment laws are brought in that do not protect the employee? Could it lead to more disruption and strikes? These are things I have concerns about. There are a lot of things that the EU laws protect the ordinary person and that could change.
digitalalba Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 $ and € in freefall today. have not made a positive since the date was set. for me who works for a company buying in both these currencies its worrying. No there not. You can buy 1 euro and 27 cents for your pound, 2 cents less than I checked 2 weeks or so ago. The US Dollar is similar. 'Freefall', my how some people love to scare monger. This is FACT, if we leave, do you know who will 100% lose out, the banks, JP Morgan etc, and guess who's backing the Remain campaign, THE BANKS. Do we love the banking institution, you know, those lovely people that rip us off every single day of our lives. WHEN will the sheep wake up??
Guest MattP Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 A very entertaining PMQ's, Osbourne looks so spaced out he's back on a heavy dose of the white stuff again, the EU ref has certainly fired up Cameron, really laying into Corbyn for the first time in ages and Jeremy looking like a man not used to debating and only talking to people in his own echo chamber. The Labour MP's should look at themselves a bit, the backbenches are half empty, even if you don't like your leader you should still show your face at PMQ's.
Guest MattP Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 We don't have the manpower (nor the disregard for human rights) to be a manufacturing behemoth like China, nor the economic capability to build up our military in the same way as the US have done. So what exact niche can we fill on the world stage that would make us be able to stand on our own as a 'Great Power'? Who knows mate? That's the job of the government, we've done it it before with things like the Industrial revolution, we did it more recently by introducing a world class services industry. If I had the answer to your question I wouldn't be sat here at 12.30 on a Wednesday afternoon, we are going to soon be the fourth largest economy in the World though, we should set our sights as high as possible though, I'd like us to try and become a haven for International based online companies but with the public perception of the tax they pay I'd probably be chasing an impossible cause.
Webbo Posted 24 February 2016 Author Posted 24 February 2016 but after a leave vote how many companies would leave the UK? with no euro support for the pound as well and paying more in import prices would go higher too. would need to strike some deals fast. Completely leave? Probably not many, Move some of their jobs abroad, maybe. The EU is failing economically, staying could cost jobs as well. You have to decide what's more important, making your own laws, having the right to sack your leaders or the temporary effect on some balance sheets.
leicsmac Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 Who knows mate? That's the job of the government, we've done it it before with things like the Industrial revolution, we did it more recently by introducing a world class services industry. If I had the answer to your question I wouldn't be sat here at 12.30 on a Wednesday afternoon, we are going to soon be the fourth largest economy in the World though, we should set our sights as high as possible though, I'd like us to try and become a haven for International based online companies but with the public perception of the tax they pay I'd probably be chasing an impossible cause. Reasonable enough. Personally I'd like to see the UK get more balls-deep in the high-tech engineering and manufacturing sector. There's an emphasis on quality over quantity there that could give us an edge if it is pursued more. If we're going to stand alone, let's at least be doing something exciting.
Guest MattP Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 Reasonable enough. Personally I'd like to see the UK get more balls-deep in the high-tech engineering and manufacturing sector. There's an emphasis on quality over quantity there that could give us an edge if it is pursued more. If we're going to stand alone, let's at least be doing something exciting. Absolutely, let's start dreaming.
ramboacdc Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 Completely leave? Probably not many, Move some of their jobs abroad, maybe. The EU is failing economically, staying could cost jobs as well. You have to decide what's more important, making your own laws, having the right to sack your leaders or the temporary effect on some balance sheets. the right to sack leaders? please elaborate? No there not. You can buy 1 euro and 27 cents for your pound, 2 cents less than I checked 2 weeks or so ago. The US Dollar is similar. 'Freefall', my how some people love to scare monger. This is FACT, if we leave, do you know who will 100% lose out, the banks, JP Morgan etc, and guess who's backing the Remain campaign, THE BANKS. Do we love the banking institution, you know, those lovely people that rip us off every single day of our lives. WHEN will the sheep wake up?? youre getting a good forex rate if you can get 1.27. im lucky to get 1.25.
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