Gartree Prison has a "no-go" wing run by Islamic lunatics

[GaelicFox]

Jaysus this is scary shit now

And the POA have confirmed its true

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-extremists-turn-prison-block-7690460

[Countryfox]

Jaysus this is scary shit now

And the POA have confirmed its true

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-extremists-turn-prison-block-7690460

 

Tip of the iceberg I'm afraid ....     and it will get worse.

[Rincewind]

oh dear. That is all we need. 

[bovril]

Lunatics in prison?! Whatever next.

[stevelcfc]

Lunatics in prison?! Whatever next.

 

In Gartree where they put the real lunatics too

[Claridge]

In Gartree where they put the real lunatics too

 

No the real lunatics will be accusing the mirror of islamaphobia anytime soon.

[m4DD0gg]

I would give the real nutter inmates AK's and let them take out those cnuts.

[EnderbyFox]

I would give the real nutter inmates AK's and let them take out those cnuts.

 

Giving violent criminals firearms, what could possibly go wrong?

[Voll Blau]

Jaysus this is scary shit now

And the POA have confirmed its true

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-extremists-turn-prison-block-7690460

 

Except they haven't, have they? No actual quote from the POA in the story.

 

"The union has reportedly passed on its fears to the National Offender Management Service, which oversees the prison service."

[Guest MattP]

There have been so many articles and pieces on this in virtually every major prison going over the last few years, they are hotbeds of radicalisation and something we have to do something about very quickly or face the consequences in a few years.

 

Prisoners get too much though, everyone should always have freedom of religion but people serving time for crimes against society shouldn't be having prayer mats, communion, religious literature or halal food being purchased for them at the expense taxpayer.

[Finnegan]

Nobody's religion should be paid for by state funds, tbh, whether they're a prisoner or a free person, a citizen or a migrant, a Christian or a Buddhist.

I'd make an exception for the maintenance of any place of worship that's a listed building on historical or cultural grounds but not for anyone's faith.

[Buce]

Nobody's religion should be paid for by state funds, tbh, whether they're a prisoner or a free person, a citizen or a migrant, a Christian or a Buddhist.

I'd make an exception for the maintenance of any place of worship that's a listed building on historical or cultural grounds but not for anyone's faith.

I agree completely, but is providing halal food any more costly than providing non-halal food? Do they provide specialized diets for other minorities (Jews, vegetarians for example)?

I'm not religious in the slightest, but I don't really have a problem with prisoners being allowed to practice theirs, as long as it is the same for all.

[Finnegan]

It's prison, not the Hilton, if there's no halal or kosher or whatever then just don't eat the meat?

[Bellend Sebastian]

What a piss poor piece of journalism this is.

 

The only concrete thing in it is the statement from the Prison Service saying 'there is no evidence to back-up any of these claims'.  

 

Obviously, if it's true it's a serious matter, and worthy of some actual 'investigative journalism', like what newspapers used to do in ye olden tymes, rather than putting out something with about as much substance as someone saying something in a pub

[Buce]

It's prison, not the Hilton, if there's no halal or kosher or whatever then just don't eat the meat?

But your issue was one of cost. If providing halal/kosher food is no more expensive, I don't see the problem.

[Rincewind]

So people in prison with allergies should not be allowed to be on a special diet?. Not forgetting that if they do not receive one it may affect their health both physical and mental.

[Finnaldo]

So people in prison with allergies should not be allowed to be on a special diet?. Not forgetting that if they do not receive one it may affect their health both physical and mental.

 

I doubt Allah would smite them down where stand for eating non-halal. Religious requirements and allergies are two completely different things.

[Finnegan]

But your issue was one of cost. If providing halal/kosher food is no more expensive, I don't see the problem.

It's not really possible for it to cost nothing, even if the fee is only administrative (ie paying for the time of the contracts manager who has to source a provider.)

But again, it's not the Hilton, I don't really see why the prison service should go out of their way to cater to everyone's wants (that's wants, not needs.)

A Muslim inmate doesn't NEED a halal steak, he'd just like one. A Jewish inmate doesn't need kosher mince, he'd just like it. They can all eat carrots and potatoes right? Job done.

I'd be the first lefty in line to complain if all we were giving inmates was bacon to eat and Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist and some Hindu prisoners were all essentially being starved but given they can all just eat their greens and a tray of mash then I'm not sure I see a problem.

If some ecoterrorist was locked up refusing to eat anything that wasn't naturally sourced, organic, fair trade vegan produce we'd probably all tell them to bollocks right? What's the difference?

[Finnegan]

So people in prison with allergies should not be allowed to be on a special diet?. Not forgetting that if they do not receive one it may affect their health both physical and mental.

Don't think anyone, even MattP, is saying inmates with genuine allergies and health concerns shouldn't be catered for. That's just stupid, Ken.

[Buce]

It's not really possible for it to cost nothing, even if the fee is only administrative (ie paying for the time of the contracts manager who has to source a provider.)

But again, it's not the Hilton, I don't really see why the prison service should go out of their way to cater to everyone's wants (that's wants, not needs.)

A Muslim inmate doesn't NEED a halal steak, he'd just like one. A Jewish inmate doesn't need kosher mince, he'd just like it. They can all eat carrots and potatoes right? Job done.

I'd be the first lefty in line to complain if all we were giving inmates was bacon to eat and Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist and some Hindu prisoners were all essentially being starved but given they can all just eat their greens and a tray of mash then I'm not sure I see a problem.

You keep avoiding the issue: there are costs involved in providing non-hahal food.

Frankly, I wouldn't lose any sleep if they fed them all bread and water, but it's a question of fairness and the general attitude (I don't aim this at you personally) seems to have an element of anti-muslim bias.

Incidently, it's worth noting that only 2% of Muslim prisoners are imprisoned for terrorisism offences - they are not all 'jihadi lunatics'.

[Guest MattP]

Incidently, it's worth noting that only 2% of Muslim prisoners are imprisoned for terrorisism offences - they are not all 'jihadi lunatics'.

 

The frustrating thing about that is we keep being told these Jihadi lunatics "aren't real Muslims" and "have nothing to do with Islam" yet despite this the taxpayer still has to cough up for them to lead an Islamic lifestyle in prison?

 

Work that one out because I can't.

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

Would have thought the meat is halal anyway in the same way the meat you eat at home is. Doesn't cost anymore for abortoires to just employ a brown bloke to mutter a spell while he slits the throat of the poor beastie.

[Buce]

The frustrating thing about that is we keep being told these Jihadi lunatics "aren't real Muslims" and "have nothing to do with Islam" yet despite this the taxpayer still has to cough up for them to lead an Islamic lifestyle in prison?

Work that one out because I can't.

I feel like I'm stuck in Groundhog Day.

Is there any evidence that providing halal food is any more costly than non-halal food?

Does providing a place of worship for Muslims cost more than providing one for Christians?

[Thracian]

There have been so many articles and pieces on this in virtually every major prison going over the last few years, they are hotbeds of radicalisation and something we have to do something about very quickly or face the consequences in a few years.

 

Prisoners get too much though, everyone should always have freedom of religion but people serving time for crimes against society shouldn't be having prayer mats, communion, religious literature or halal food being purchased for them at the expense taxpayer.

 

 

I've got an acquaintance, reluctantly, who's done time there and the problem seems common knowledge. I might have been surprised that little seems to have been done to change the situation but I'm not.  If British political decision-making was a football match we'd be prolific own goal scorers.          

[Bellend Sebastian]

Would have thought the meat is halal anyway in the same way the meat you eat at home is. Doesn't cost anymore for abortoires to just employ a brown bloke to mutter a spell while he slits the throat of the poor beastie.

 

I saw something on a Halal abattoir on telly ages ago, and they didn't even have a bloke saying the prayer, and were just playing a recording of it loudspeaker.

 

Reminded me of having to listen to Leicester Sound FM while working in the pork pie factory all those years ago; if this was being done on religious grounds, I was blissfully unaware.

 

Personally I won't eat any meat unless I have assurances that 'Making your Mind Up' by Bucks Fizz was playing as the animal was slaughtered