Rincewind Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 I do not want their 'kind' of celebration. Strange that because a twist of fate meant that some were born on a different piece of soil of the Globe and people are still saying my bit is better than yours. What a funny species Humans are.
digitalalba Posted 25 April 2016 Author Posted 25 April 2016 I do not want their 'kind' of celebration. Strange that because a twist of fate meant that some were born on a different piece of soil of the Globe and people are still saying my bit is better than yours. What a funny species Humans are. Nottingham is better than Leicester
Voll Blau Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 It is an irony when people say this, because it's not that it needs to be reclaimed, it's that had it not been for the 'far right', there would be no celebrations at all. Since around 2005, English Nationalism has grown. You'll never 'reclaim' it, you can only join in, because they're never going to think, oh, the multiculturalists are embracing it, it's not for us now Except the one that mega-lefty council you've spent the whole thread criticising put on for you on Saturday...
Finnaldo Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 It is an irony when people say this, because it's not that it needs to be reclaimed, it's that had it not been for the 'far right', there would be no celebrations at all. Since around 2005, English Nationalism has grown. You'll never 'reclaim' it, you can only join in, because they're never going to think, oh, the multiculturalists are embracing it, it's not for us now If English Nationalism is to blame dark-skinned people for being in Britain then it's the far right that's turning it into a shite culture, not other ethnicities. I live an English life every day. I wake up and wear English-fashioned clothes, watch English-made television, go out and have a couple of English pints, all whilst knowing what England has done for the world. I don't need a massive parade to remind myself that I'm English, brass bands and morris dancing that i'm not interested in the slightest. I'm not fixated enough on what other Nationals are doing to forget I'm English, I don't need the blame culture some seemed to develop because I know white English citizens can have as much an impact on modern culture as they wish. I don't need to look at the past every five minutes to remember what 'good old England' was becuase that's exactly how culture stagnates. We've looked too much at the past and blamed others whilst allowing Americanisation to thrive and kill off culture. It's commercialisation is why we don't have the traditional English high streets, why American holidays are celebrated above Bonfire night, and why half of London's traditional East End residents have been pushed out for middle class businessmen who'd rather go to a cafe that sells cereal for £5 a bowl rather than on more traditional, cultural alternatives. It's been allowed to happen as they've allowed us to blame each other than realise that shopping locally and not letting the council destroy half the cultural architecture in Leicester during the sixties would have done more than screaming "Immigrants out".
Rincewind Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 I would rather embrace our tolerance to other nationalities than our superiority.
digitalalba Posted 25 April 2016 Author Posted 25 April 2016 Except the one that mega-lefty council you've spent the whole thread criticising put on for you on Saturday... Did they? A festival about being English and what Englishness is? Really? If they did, they weren't passionate about it, they didn't shout about it from the roof tops like they do with the Caribbean carnival, gay pride or divali. May be they wanted to appear to being doing something?
digitalalba Posted 25 April 2016 Author Posted 25 April 2016 I don't need to look at the past every five minutes to remember what 'good old England' was becuase that's exactly how culture stagnates. We've looked too much at the past and blamed others whilst allowing Americanisation to thrive and kill off culture. It's commercialisation is why we don't have the traditional English high streets, why American holidays are celebrated above Bonfire night, and why half of London's traditional East End residents have been pushed out for middle class businessmen who'd rather go to a cafe that sells cereal for £5 a bowl rather than on more traditional, cultural alternatives. It's been allowed to happen as they've allowed us to blame each other than realise that shopping locally and not letting the council destroy half the cultural architecture in Leicester during the sixties would have done more than screaming "Immigrants out". The reason Englishness is second hand in England, is because there's a determination of some people in the world (not lefty's directly, they're the minions of the spoilers), who don't care about the wellbeing of people, their culture and tradition. Example, it looks to me like what started in March 2003, the war in Iraq, which I was told in December 1999 was going to happen, by a highish ranking 'British' military official, was deliberate. Look at the Middle East now, an absolute despot of a place. These 'spoilers' don't give a fuchs whether you're English, Islamic or Gay, they only care about power. Currently, they're using lefty's, in 50 years it could be Nationalists, Muslims or whoever. Bottom line, the only people that win, are the power made. You think of the Billions that have been generate since 1984 and Geldoff, 32 years later they're still destitute. yet all those minion lefty's keep banging on about how all humans need to keep going to work to fund them. Sure, it's a good thing to help the poor, but how long does it take, another 32 years, maybe they're so shit they need 100 years? There comes a point where you have to realise the con.
bovril Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 'England' and 'Greece' haven't achieved anything as they are mere names given to pieces of the Earth's surface. Individual people in these countries have achieved a great deal, and should always be celebrated. One thing we should be thankful for, or proud of, if you really want, is that the UK has mostly allowed individual genius to flourish and develop.
Voll Blau Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 Did they? A festival about being English and what Englishness is? Really? If they did, they weren't passionate about it, they didn't shout about it from the roof tops like they do with the Caribbean carnival, gay pride or divali. May be they wanted to appear to being doing something? Oh waaa waaa fvcking waaa. You know the real reason people don't want to join in with St George's Day? Because of people like you. All you want to do is whinge about other people celebrating other stuff. You clearly don't have any national pride (care to mention how you actually did celebrate on Saturday by the way?), because if you did you'd actually be out there doing it rather than whinging on an online football forum about the whole world being against you despite the ample evidence in this thread that it's clearly not. It's not the rest of the world mate, you're what's wrong with St George's Day.
digitalalba Posted 25 April 2016 Author Posted 25 April 2016 Oh waaa waaa fvcking waaa. You know the real reason people don't want to join in with St George's Day? Because of people like you. All you want to do is whinge about other people celebrating other stuff. You clearly don't have any national pride (care to mention how you actually did celebrate on Saturday by the way?), because if you did you'd actually be out there doing it rather than whinging on an online football forum about the whole world being against you despite the ample evidence in this thread that it's clearly not. It's not the rest of the world mate, you're what's wrong with St George's Day. They've been made to feel ashamed. This thread is a shinning example of who these people are. Why all the negative stuff from those who hate the English. Can't they accept that this is England, and that the English deserve a country they can appreciate? I wouldn't have to 'moan' if the haters of the English were honest enough to admit it, or better still, showed they were proud to be English.
Voll Blau Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 They've been made to feel ashamed. This thread is a shinning example of who these people are. Why all the negative stuff from those who hate the English. Can't they accept that this is England, and that the English deserve a country they can appreciate? I wouldn't have to 'moan' if the haters of the English were honest enough to admit it, or better still, showed they were proud to be English. You going to answer my question? What did you do on Saturday?
Alf Bentley Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 It is an irony when people say this, because it's not that it needs to be reclaimed, it's that had it not been for the 'far right', there would be no celebrations at all. Since around 2005, English Nationalism has grown. You'll never 'reclaim' it, you can only join in, because they're never going to think, oh, the multiculturalists are embracing it, it's not for us now I thought you started this thread to whinge about the lack of St. George's Day celebrations and to blame the lefty council for this? It was then revealed that the council had staged such a celebration, but that you'd failed to find it. Now, you're telling me that such celebrations DO exist but they're all run by rampant Nationalists, at a time when the collapsing BNP takes a month to find the £25 fee to re-register as a political party. Can't remember what happened to Tommy Robinson. Didn't he change his name to Mahmood-bin-Masood and go to fight for IS in Syria? Blimey! It's lucky for the Nazis that they had Hitler and not you in the 1930s. You'd have convened the Nuremburg rallies, failed to attend and then written to the local paper whingeing about the socialists failing to stage a rally! Anyway, you can celebrate England anyhow any day. Great contribution to the gaiety of the nation yesterday by our lads, from immigrants like Mahrez, Kante, Huth and Fuchs to natives like Vardy, Morgan, Albrighton and Gray. I was getting a bit depressed that the climate might be ripe for a Far Right upsurge, but you've cheered me right up.... Great comedy value!
Alf Bentley Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 They've been made to feel ashamed. This thread is a shinning example of who these people are. Why all the negative stuff from those who hate the English. Can't they accept that this is England, and that the English deserve a country they can appreciate? I wouldn't have to 'moan' if the haters of the English were honest enough to admit it, or better still, showed they were proud to be English. I've already posted a long list of stuff that I'd like to celebrate about England and the English.... This thread got me thinking about what things about England I'd like to celebrate - and I'm all for celebrations. Here goes with just a few: A fascinating national/international history; Extraordinary range of quality music dating back decades; Massive range of real ales; Passionate, rowdy football fans - and football; The Mekons; Traditional pubs; Private Eye; Marmite; Downmarket seaside resorts; the NHS; Fish & chips with salt & vinegar; Binge-drinking; George Eliot;Tarka Dhal, Chicken Rogan & Garlic Naan; Democracy (imperfect but invaluable); Hitch-hiking; A fair amount of wit/zany humour; The white cliffs of Dover; An attachment to justice; Test match cricket; A healthy mistrust of authority; Public buses; Wreckless Eric; Gay equality/marriage; Stoicism; Magna Carta; Greater racial tolerance than most other countries; Eccentrics; John Peel; Hard work; the Peak District moors; Most people being quite friendly; The Clash; Tea with milk; Crashing waves on pebbly beaches; Trees; Trade unions (at their best); BBC journalism/comedy/drama; green fields; Shakespeare; Stubbornness; the smell of tarmac; the North Cornish coast; Stephen Hawking; David Bowie; The Peasants' Revolt; Dub reggae; The Chartists; Victorian red-brick houses & mills; Sex Pistols; Politeness; Cheekiness; Jerk chicken/curried goat; London (parts thereof); Rastas smoking reefer; The Pogues; the Suffragettes; English breakfast; The Queen meeting/greeting in her dowdy headscarf; Dickens; Withnail and I; Peppered mackerel; Defiance; Public footpaths; Pet dogs & cats; public libraries (even if I rarely use them); New folk (e.g. Eliza Carthy); Manchester, England's 2nd city; Music festivals; A high level of diversity & tolerance (albeit with a lot of petty whingeing). Reasons to be cheerful, part 3! I could go on all day....
digitalalba Posted 25 April 2016 Author Posted 25 April 2016 You going to answer my question? What did you do on Saturday? Our house was decorated in English memorabilia, we had visitors, we all wore something white and red. We ate traditional English food, we drank English wine, Greene King beer, though I didn't drink much it don't taste great and we had a bar-b-cue in the garden although it wasn't that warm. The maypole wasn't great but it was fun watching the kids getting tangled up. The 1966 world cup was on in the living room at 3pm. After we 'tried' to join in with some folk songs, but if honest, that didn't materialise very well. It was a pretty usual 23rd April.
Voll Blau Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 Our house was decorated in English memorabilia, we had visitors, we all wore something white and red. We ate traditional English food, we drank English wine, Greene King beer, though I didn't drink much it don't taste great and we had a bar-b-cue in the garden although it wasn't that warm. The maypole wasn't great but it was fun watching the kids getting tangled up. The 1966 world cup was on in the living room at 3pm. After we 'tried' to join in with some folk songs, but if honest, that didn't materialise very well. It was a pretty usual 23rd April. Good. Glad you had a nice time.
digitalalba Posted 25 April 2016 Author Posted 25 April 2016 Good. Glad you had a nice time. You've thrown me there. You know the real reason people don't want to join in with St George's Day? Because of people like you. All you want to do is whinge about other people celebrating other stuff. You clearly don't have any national pride (care to mention how you actually did celebrate on Saturday by the way?), because if you did you'd actually be out there doing it rather than whinging on an online football forum about the whole world being against you despite the ample evidence in this thread that it's clearly not. It's not the rest of the world mate, you're what's wrong with St George's Day.
Stadt Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 You've thrown me there.He wasn't being cryptic ffs Surely it doesn't matter that the council or whoever didn't put out a parade if you celebrated it the way you wanted
Voll Blau Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 He wasn't being cryptic ffs Surely it doesn't matter that the council or whoever didn't put out a parade if you celebrated it the way you wanted Exactly. Live and let live. Enjoy the day how you want. Forcing people to celebrate something kind of defeats the whole point of what a celebration is.
Buce Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 Really? The British Empire and it's influence on the world? Spain and France to a lesser extent could make similar claims, not many others could. The British Empire is not an English achievement. How many Scots, Welsh and Irish do you think were involved in its making?
Webbo Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 The British Empire is not an English achievement. How many Scots, Welsh and Irish do you think were involved in its making? It started as English ( English and Welsh if you want to be pedantic).
Carl the Llama Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 We had a St George's day BBQ at the pub but not many people showed up for it, presumably because nobody really cares about it these days. One old geezer - after learning why we looked like we'd set up for an EDL rally - went home to get his novelty England fuzzy top hat but aside from a few kids playing keepy-uppy with the red & white balloons that was about it for the excitement of the day. When you're free to nip down the pub every night and habitually eat roast dinners every Sunday already there's not much extra stuff your average Englishman can do to mark the occasion I suppose.
Buce Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 It started as English ( English and Welsh if you want to be pedantic). Nonsense.
digitalalba Posted 25 April 2016 Author Posted 25 April 2016 He wasn't being cryptic ffs Surely it doesn't matter that the council or whoever didn't put out a parade if you celebrated it the way you wanted Surely it wouldn't matter that the council or whoever didn't put out a divali, gay pride or caribbean celebration?? Exactly. Live and let live. Enjoy the day how you want. Forcing people to celebrate something kind of defeats the whole point of what a celebration is. Forcing??
Webbo Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 Nonsense. Act of Union with Scotland 1801, American declaration of independence 1776. I'm sure we had other colonies before the act of union as well.
digitalalba Posted 25 April 2016 Author Posted 25 April 2016 We had a St George's day BBQ at the pub but not many people showed up for it, presumably because nobody really cares about it these days. How many would turn up, if they were not damned as 'racist' for being English, or that the council spent as much time, effort and money (should be more) as they do with foreign celebrations, and kids were taught about Englishness at schools? Thousands would pack Abbey Park.
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