What is wrong with St George's Day celebrations?

[Carl the Llama]

How many would turn up, if they were not damned as 'racist' for being English, or that the council spent as much time, effort and money (should be more) as they do with foreign celebrations, and kids were taught about Englishness at schools?

 

Thousands would pack Abbey Park.

Dude given the recent popularity of anything royal family related I'd say you needn't worry about the loss of English pride, it's just that St. George's is a pretty shit day no different to any other, especially when you don't get extra time off work to get drunk for it.

[Voll Blau]

I don't know a single person who's been thought of as "racist" for being English, more "oooh the world's against us" whining with no basis in fact again. Not sure "Englishness" is something you can teach in schools either, it's a state of mind as much as anything else.

[Alf Bentley]

The British Empire is not an English achievement.

How many Scots, Welsh and Irish do you think were involved in its making?

It started as English ( English and Welsh if you want to be pedantic

Nonsense.

Act of Union with Scotland 1801, American declaration of independence 1776. I'm sure we had other colonies before the act of union as well.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

 

ACAS Report:

- The British Empire started with overseas possessions and trading posts acquired by England (and Wales) before the Act of Union with Scotland;

- However, the Act of Union with Scotland was in 1707, not 1801 (which was the Act of Union with Ireland), so most of the British Empire was built up after England, Scotland & Wales formed the UK, and a substantial proportion after Ireland joined.

 

The case was formally declared a score draw (possibly an omen for the Spurs v WBA match) and both parties paid substantial costs to the arbitrator. 

[Buce]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

ACAS Report:

- The British Empire started with overseas possessions and trading posts acquired by England (and Wales) before the Act of Union with Scotland;

- However, the Act of Union with Scotland was in 1707, not 1801 (which was the Act of Union with Ireland), so most of the British Empire was built up after England, Scotland & Wales formed the UK, and a substantial proportion after Ireland joined.

The case was formally declared a score draw (possibly an omen for the Spurs v WBA match) and both parties paid substantial costs to the arbitrator.

Nah, Webbo's a Tory - he can pay from his offshore account.

[The Doctor]

How many would turn up, if they were not damned as 'racist' for being English, or that the council spent as much time, effort and money (should be more) as they do with foreign celebrations, and kids were taught about Englishness at schools?

 

Thousands would pack Abbey Park.

 

Ever considered that people aren't damned as being racist for being English but rather are embarrassed to be associated with knuckle dragging racists who use St Georges day to just shout "immugrants done killed ma town" rather than actually celebrating what is great about britain/england.

[digitalalba]

Everyone, just take a look at the above comments, how negative are they.

 

THIS is what is being discussed by the same mindset of those figures in authority.

 

Damn them English people for daring to ask for more English consideration in England.

 

Who are the nasty people?

[Carl the Llama]

Everyone, just take a look at the above comments, how negative are they.

 

THIS is what is being discussed by the same mindset of those figures in authority.

 

Damn them English people for daring to ask for more English consideration in England.

 

Who are the nasty people?

The English, can't stand them.

[Stadt]

I'm proud of being English, even more proud of being English than British but the thing is people just aren't that arsed about St. George's day, pubs putting up some bunting and doing a deal on Bombardier isn't really much of a celebration and basically that's all that happens on St. Patrick's day. 

[Rincewind]

Can't believe this thread is still going.

[Rincewind]

Another event for you. The new  Haymarket bus station is opening on May 8th and  on the 7th there is a special day where people can view vintage buses and pick up leaflets about buses. What is more English than hanging around in bus stations?

[Buce]

. What is more English than hanging around in bus stations?

Laying in a pool of vomit in foreign holiday resorts?

[Finnaldo]

Can we change our patron saint to a real English hero like Pete Doherty or Vardy?

[GaelicFox]

It is tomorrow, Saturday.

Every year there seems to be little interest in the greatest country on Earth celebrating its national day.

In West Bromich, they tend to do a brilliant parade, aided by the local council but primarilly by the people themselves.

Leicester City Council and its political elite don't seem to care, but if ever denounced as being English, they claim they're very proud.

People older than 70 will tell you that there was a real sense of pride when they were younger. And although they didn't have the resources we have today, they celebrated Nationalism more than we do.

So why are our political and social leaders afraid to celebrate Nationalism on our national day?

Aren't they Nationalistic?

Is Nationalism the opposite of what they are?

If so, that means they're not proud to be English and lie when asked.

Anyhoo, Happy St George's Day to the English, even if St George was born in a land we now call Turkey.

My daughter was st George in the school play

I was never so proud in my life Watching my Irish daughter showing the English how you properly slay a dragon

I think it should be a national holiday and let's calibrate This wonderful land , the leftys and liberals have ruined this countries identity ! The English identity is watered down now , I wonder if it would help moving the date to the summer and allow garden parties and street parties to happen ?

On a selfish point of view I wish you lot had a proper day of Your own then you wouldn't feel the need to be half Irish on st Patrick's day And clog up our Irish pubs

[GaelicFox]

Can we change our patron saint to a real English hero like Pete Doherty or Vardy?

Tyson Fury ?

[GaelicFox]

I'm proud of being English, even more proud of being English than British but the thing is people just aren't that arsed about St. George's day, pubs putting up some bunting and doing a deal on Bombardier isn't really much of a celebration and basically that's all that happens on St. Patrick's day.

Oi Oi Oi .... A lot more than that happens

We wear shamrock and eat Irish stew , go to mass , place loads of money on bad horses at Cheltenham , drink too much , collect silly Guinness hats and beat the wife and kids after midnight

It's a proper celebration of drinking and gambling

[Stadt]

Oi Oi Oi .... A lot more than that happens

We wear shamrock and eat Irish stew , go to mass , place loads of money on bad horses at Cheltenham , drink too much , collect silly Guinness hats and beat the wife and kids after midnight

It's a proper celebration of drinking and gambling

 

In Ireland but over here? nah

[GaelicFox]

In Ireland but over here? nah

Best st Patrick's days in world are in America and UK , my brothers fly over from Ireland to have paddies days here a

Remember it's a DRY day in ireland in most places pubs are shut as its a catholic holiday , Dublin is a little different.

I once spent 24 Hours drinking with the Tigers team on a paddies day it was carnage by 6pm !!!!!

London is amazing , Manchester and Birmingham , but little ol Leicester had done amazing paddies days

Pubs are rammed and if Cheltenham is on its mighty craic

[digitalalba]

It says it's because there are 91 languages in the city and "it would be very difficult to celebrate them all".

 

Kalphna Woolf, founder of 91 Ways to Build a Global City, which looks to unite Bristol's multicultural framework, said people can be frightened of the flag. 

"There was a point in the past when I'd see the St George's Day flag flying and it would frighten me, as it had been taken over by 'we are England' type groups," she said.

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/Bristol-skips-St-George-s-Day-celebrations-city/story-29167068-detail/story.html#ixzz471ZoAtmM

 

Bristol not Leicester, but a lefty council.

 

'Very difficult to celebrate them all', suggests to me like they decided to leave the most important one out - shocking.

 

Multiculturalism and Englishness, or for that matter, any nationality, are opposites.

 

It frightened you?? A piece of cloth, it frightened you, are you a mouse?

 

Let this fella put this into better context for us

[Finnaldo]

It says it's because there are 91 languages in the city and "it would be very difficult to celebrate them all".

 

Kalphna Woolf, founder of 91 Ways to Build a Global City, which looks to unite Bristol's multicultural framework, said people can be frightened of the flag. 

"There was a point in the past when I'd see the St George's Day flag flying and it would frighten me, as it had been taken over by 'we are England' type groups," she said.

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/Bristol-skips-St-George-s-Day-celebrations-city/story-29167068-detail/story.html#ixzz471ZoAtmM

 

Bristol not Leicester, but a lefty council.

 

'Very difficult to celebrate them all', suggests to me like they decided to leave the most important one out - shocking.

 

Multiculturalism and Englishness, or for that matter, any nationality, are opposites.

 

It frightened you?? A piece of cloth, it frightened you, are you a mouse?

 

Let this fella put this into better context for us

 

It literally says they don't celebrate anything in Bristol, in fact the only things they do celebrate is Remembrance Day and Christmas which are both English, Christian events.

 

Are you suggesting that St.George's Day is more important than Remembrance Day? Put your head on mate. 

 

Whilst on the subject of Remembrance, you might do well to remember the 1.3 million Indians who served and 74,187 that died (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33317368) for your right to 'Englishness' so you can complain how some of them celebrate one day of the year and bring revenue to the City.

 

As for the video, the guy quotes a couple Daily Mail sources about some small time councils (who, I will say, are very much in the wrong). A couple of cases doesn't mean that England are totally afraid of being called racist as myself and many other posters on this thread have already shown you otherwise. As for the British flag, that's probably because a flag represnting an Empire spanning a quarter of the World, kicking France's arse and numerous technological and cultural innovations between 1707 and now is more impressive than one representing 100 year war with France for fvck all, losing to Scotland and Nick Griffin.

[Alf Bentley]

Multiculturalism and Englishness, or for that matter, any nationality, are opposites.

 

 

 

What is "Englishness" to you? You've mentioned Morris dancers, maypoles and English-made alcoholic beverages. You also seem to be saying (above) that it cannot co-exist with other cultures.

 

Does Englishness ever change or will it remain the same forever? When did Englishness come into existence?

 

I've twice posted a long list of things about English culture that I appreciate. Why don't you offer a list?

[digitalalba]

Are you suggesting that St.George's Day is more important than Remembrance Day? Put your head on mate.

Whilst on the subject of Remembrance, you might do well to remember the 1.3 million Indians who served and 74,187 that died (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33317368) for your right to 'Englishness' so you can complain how some of them celebrate one day of the year and bring revenue to the City.

 

As for the video, the guy quotes a couple Daily Mail sources about some small time councils (who, I will say, are very much in the wrong). A couple of cases doesn't mean that England are totally afraid of being called racist as myself and many other posters on this thread have already shown you otherwise.

As brave as the veterans were, what they fought for, which isn't what we have today, RD cannot be more important.

 

Enough are, that's why St George's Day is such a shambles.

Get a few to feel down troden on, and more than a few will feel it

Get more than a few, and a sizeable chunk will feel it

Get a sizeable chunk etc etc etc

[Guest MattP]

6 fcuking pages? :frusty:

 

I went out in the afternoon, St George's offers in local pubs for English beers and ales, Horse Racing and Rugby/Footballon, St Georges Day BBQ at night if you wanted it, flags up and the tunes of Elgar in the background, I could have taken a taxi to see the Anstey Morrismen as well but that was even too much for me. I like my April 23rd exactly how it was this year, a few beers with freiends and some wonderfully understated Englishness I've just mentioned that we all take for granted.

 

Then we could top up on Sunday before watching our local team go clear of the top of English football - In terms of St George's Day weekends it was certainly up there with the best. If only more people went out and enjoyed it rather than sitting at home moaning about why they can't.

[digitalalba]

What is "Englishness" to you? You've mentioned Morris dancers, maypoles and English-made alcoholic beverages. You also seem to be saying (above) that it cannot co-exist with other cultures.

 

Does Englishness ever change or will it remain the same forever? When did Englishness come into existence?

 

I've twice posted a long list of things about English culture that I appreciate. Why don't you offer a list?

Englishness is English ethnicity. I could list a million things. For want of a better phrasing, it is what it is.

I wasn't saying that, i'm saying in England it should be the most important aspect of wider society in terms of culture and wellbeing.

 

It has and it will, but only by the English, the ethnic English. You're looking at about 1700 years ago.

 

I have wrote lists, not in the way you want though.

[Rincewind]

Nothing more English than a chicken Vindaloo or a kebab on a Saturday night to celebrate a City win and raise a glass of Stella to toast the City owners Ranieri and a Riyad Mahrez winner with an assist by Kante.

[Captain...]

 

I would hire Abbey park for the entire weekend and put on a huge stage for amature and professional folk singers/bands,

I would have morris dancers and for people to learn it in a fun way.

I would invite the Steadfast trust to promote English culture to all especially the young who miss out at school.

I would have a tent with a big screen for the city match on sunday and footage of English culture.

Their would be a drinks tent with English wines, beers and food on sale.

I would invite some of those companies who act out old battles, including a Robin Hood show and a man on horse duel they do at Warwick Castle.

I would invite schools to create a play based on English culture to show people. A Shakespeare play would be cool.

 

 

 

Care to elaborate a little more on the Steadfast trust?

 

 

The Steadfast Trust is a far-right English organisation (formerly a registered charity) devoted to supporting people of Anglo-Saxon descent, working in association with various English nationalist outfits such as the Anglo-Saxon Foundation, the English Shieldwall, BNP, NF and British KKK.^[3]

It argues that there are hundreds of charitable organisations and community groups in the UK devoted to ethnic minorities but none for the poor, downtrodden ethnic majority, and so aims to redress this balance.^[4]

 

why do you want far right extremists at your Saint George's day celebration:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958473/Giving-Nazi-salute-chanting-White-Power-pushing-works-Hitler-extremists-registered-official-charity.html

 

Apart from that they are a bunch of frauds:

 

http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/took-long-remove-steadfast-trust-register-charity-commission-admits/governance/article/1335371

 

This is exactly why National pride gets a bad name and why Saint Georges day is under celebrated, because of people like you who try to use it to make a political point, you want a Saint Georges Day celebration don't try and turn it into some political campaign for the rights of white Anglo-Saxons.