Quique Flores To Leave Watford

[fuchsntf]

Just 2 sentences..

Be carefull for what you wish for.

Even the fans on Sky seemed they expect more, too arrogant.

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[Fox92]

Agreed... Finished the season mid table and having lost in an FA Cup semi final. 

 

Shocking treatment - yet again - towards the manager. 

[FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife]

Just 2 sentences..

Be carefull for what you wish for.

Even the fans on Sky seemed they expect more, too arrogant.

 

 

Exactly what the media said when we sacked Pearson and West Ham binned Allardyce

[Harry - LCFC]

Exactly what the media said when we sacked Pearson and West Ham binned Allardyce

 

Exceptions, exceptions.

 

When you've got something good it's usually not a good idea to gamble on something unknown.

[Fox92]

Exactly what the media said when we sacked Pearson and West Ham binned Allardyce

 

We spent 80% of the season bottom of the league though.

[Footballwipe]

Not convinced personally; there's no real outrage coming from the Watford fans, who have seen their team week in, week out. Consensus seems to suggest they have been abysmal since Christmas. I'm inclined the listen to them than to look at league table and a cup run. It's all about context.

 

At the end of the day it makes sense to make the change now. If they kept him and started next season as badly as they've been recently we'll only moan that the board didn't sack him and give a new man the whole summer to reignite the squad.

 

I think the worry isn't necessarily getting rid of QSF, it's the intended replacement. James Richardson on the Guardian's football podcast said they should be hugely worried by the appointment of Mazzarri. Time will tell

[Guest Kopfkino]

They have been quite poor in this second half of the season when they 'got found out'

The bigger thing for them is keeping Deeney, he's the constant they've had with all the managerial changes and might be the reason it has worked for them

[Jaspa]

Even when the gained promotion from the Championship last year they went through four managers that season with little negative impact along the way.

 

Its a shame really because Flores did have them up and running for a good few months, their style of play was gaining comparisons to ours and Ighalo in particular was on fire. Obviously its gone abit tits up compared to all that and whilst I dont know the diagnostics inside the Club, its a shame some managers arent given more time to grow what they envision.

 

Wouldnt mind picking up Deeney from these so will keep an eye on proceedings

[RowlattsFox]

The general consensus from Watford fans is that they are happy with this. Think they know more than we do, from outside looking in it appears bizarre but they have been poor for months and Flores has not changed anything.

Personally would have given him the start of next season but it it isn't as biggest shock as it seems.

[aefevans]

Hi guys. Just thought I'd weigh in here. 

 

A lot of the 'outrage' or 'surprise' at this move has come from the outside looking in. It's very easy to think "Watford got to the FA Cup Semi-Final and finished mid-table" and use that as a basis to criticise Flores' departure, but us Watty fans have seen 90+ minutes of each game. We've seen the bad tactical decisions, the low morale, the low confidence, the lack of motivation. Flores also has a strong bias towards the players he'd previously coached in Spain, regardless of their form (or lack of it). He actually had a meeting with our owner before Easter to discuss this - they wanted more offensive football, rather than playing for 0-0s at home. Flores didn't make any changes to this, so the board put their foot down. Sure, we were in 7th at Christmas, so we'd probably got enough in the bank by then, but with the form we've been in since Christmas, we can't afford to carry that over to next season (like with Villa). 

 

In my opinion, it's better to do it now, and give the squad and the new coach time to regroup over the Summer and during the pre-season, rather than (more than) halfway through the season once the damage had already been done (a la Newcastle).

 

Sure, we'd have all been happy to finish 17th on goal difference (my exact words a year ago), but obviously we can be ambitious. I get the feeling that many pundits (particularly Ray Wilkins on SSNHQ) seem to think that, in 10 years from now, we'll still be happy to barely scrape survival. 

 

Hope that clears things up a bit.

[Babylon]

I thought they'd struggle in the championship when they changed manager, I thought they'd struggle when they came up and changed manager... I think Watfords owners are probably smarter than we think they are.

[fuchsntf]

Hi guys. Just thought I'd weigh in here. 

 

A lot of the 'outrage' or 'surprise' at this move has come from the outside looking in. It's very easy to think "Watford got to the FA Cup Semi-Final and finished mid-table" and use that as a basis to criticise Flores' departure, but us Watty fans have seen 90+ minutes of each game. We've seen the bad tactical decisions, the low morale, the low confidence, the lack of motivation. Flores also has a strong bias towards the players he'd previously coached in Spain, regardless of their form (or lack of it). He actually had a meeting with our owner before Easter to discuss this - they wanted more offensive football, rather than playing for 0-0s at home. Flores didn't make any changes to this, so the board put their foot down. Sure, we were in 7th at Christmas, so we'd probably got enough in the bank by then, but with the form we've been in since Christmas, we can't afford to carry that over to next season (like with Villa). 

 

In my opinion, it's better to do it now, and give the squad and the new coach time to regroup over the Summer and during the pre-season, rather than (more than) halfway through the season once the damage had already been done (a la Newcastle).

 

Sure, we'd have all been happy to finish 17th on goal difference (my exact words a year ago), but obviously we can be ambitious. I get the feeling that many pundits (particularly Ray Wilkins on SSNHQ) seem to think that, in 10 years from now, we'll still be happy to barely scrape survival. 

 

Hope that clears things up a bit.

Fair dues, with some good points.

We went from Pearson to Ranieri, causing much mirth along the grapevine.

Lets see if we have something simular for Watford next season.

It doesnt even need to be top 4, just a more solid season.

[MPH]

Hi guys. Just thought I'd weigh in here. 

 

A lot of the 'outrage' or 'surprise' at this move has come from the outside looking in. It's very easy to think "Watford got to the FA Cup Semi-Final and finished mid-table" and use that as a basis to criticise Flores' departure, but us Watty fans have seen 90+ minutes of each game. We've seen the bad tactical decisions, the low morale, the low confidence, the lack of motivation. Flores also has a strong bias towards the players he'd previously coached in Spain, regardless of their form (or lack of it). He actually had a meeting with our owner before Easter to discuss this - they wanted more offensive football, rather than playing for 0-0s at home. Flores didn't make any changes to this, so the board put their foot down. Sure, we were in 7th at Christmas, so we'd probably got enough in the bank by then, but with the form we've been in since Christmas, we can't afford to carry that over to next season (like with Villa). 

 

In my opinion, it's better to do it now, and give the squad and the new coach time to regroup over the Summer and during the pre-season, rather than (more than) halfway through the season once the damage had already been done (a la Newcastle).

 

Sure, we'd have all been happy to finish 17th on goal difference (my exact words a year ago), but obviously we can be ambitious. I get the feeling that many pundits (particularly Ray Wilkins on SSNHQ) seem to think that, in 10 years from now, we'll still be happy to barely scrape survival. 

 

Hope that clears things up a bit.

 

 

 

My personal thought was that he would then use the money given to him this summer and improve the playing squad. Lost confidence or not, he still got you to 13th if your first season back in the prem and thats bloody impressive overall - confidence is often regained in pre season when new players arrive and things are freshened up.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Flores has done well but if Watford want to progress and stay in the division then based on how Watford have performed in the second half of the season then a shake up makes logical sense. They're bound to pick up another cretin like Zola soon enough and go back down. 

[GaelicFox]

Everton should snap him up , bloody serious manager him ! Koeman to Everton and Flores to Southampton could work

[Dan]

Hi guys. Just thought I'd weigh in here. 

 

A lot of the 'outrage' or 'surprise' at this move has come from the outside looking in. It's very easy to think "Watford got to the FA Cup Semi-Final and finished mid-table" and use that as a basis to criticise Flores' departure, but us Watty fans have seen 90+ minutes of each game. We've seen the bad tactical decisions, the low morale, the low confidence, the lack of motivation. Flores also has a strong bias towards the players he'd previously coached in Spain, regardless of their form (or lack of it). He actually had a meeting with our owner before Easter to discuss this - they wanted more offensive football, rather than playing for 0-0s at home. Flores didn't make any changes to this, so the board put their foot down. Sure, we were in 7th at Christmas, so we'd probably got enough in the bank by then, but with the form we've been in since Christmas, we can't afford to carry that over to next season (like with Villa). 

 

In my opinion, it's better to do it now, and give the squad and the new coach time to regroup over the Summer and during the pre-season, rather than (more than) halfway through the season once the damage had already been done (a la Newcastle).

 

Sure, we'd have all been happy to finish 17th on goal difference (my exact words a year ago), but obviously we can be ambitious. I get the feeling that many pundits (particularly Ray Wilkins on SSNHQ) seem to think that, in 10 years from now, we'll still be happy to barely scrape survival. 

 

Hope that clears things up a bit.

 

Fair comments. I'd have said you were looking a solid bet to go down next season.