England's Jamie Vardy set for sub role again in Euro 2016 group finale despite that crucial Wales goal

[apple987]

still did more in 10 minutes than Kane or Sterling did in 135. Sturridge and Vardy to start Monday is so obvious

Well yes it seems obvious but I just think vardy is such a weapon off the bench that it's better for Englands chances this way. When there defence is tiring, who better to bring on? Also if we are winning the game and it gets to the 60th minutes mark, bring vardy on... They need to attack to equalise or get a goal back. Who better to have on the counter attack?

It's a squad game. It isn't just all about who starts the game.

[foxfanazer]

Well yes it seems obvious but I just think vardy is such a weapon off the bench that it's better for Englands chances this way. When there defence is tiring, who better to bring on? Also if we are winning the game and it gets to the 60th minutes mark, bring vardy on... They need to attack to equalise or get a goal back. Who better to have on the counter attack?

It's a squad game. It isn't just all about who starts the game.

Maybe but Kane looks exhausted and Sterling looks useless so why start them? We left it late against Wales but if we'd have started Vardy and Sturridge I doubt it would've been that close. Start your in form and fittest players

[apple987]

This would be my team for Slovakia.

Forster

Walker

Cahill

Smalling

Bertrand

Dier

Wilshere

Rooney

Sturridge

Kane

Lallana

Rose has looked dodgy in my opinion. Give Bertrand a run out. Alli jaded, wilshere in. Hart poor, Forster in. Sterling shite. Sturridge in.

Kane not very good but he wins free kicks and will have more influence on the pitch with sturridge there.

Being vardy on 60mins

[apple987]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3647460/Spies-caught-French-police-drones-paparazzi-agency-snapped-Jamie-Vardy-chewing-tobacco.html

Vardys secret is chewing tobacco and red bull! Legend

[m4DD0gg]

This would be my team for Slovakia.

Forster

Walker

Cahill

Smalling

Bertrand

Dier

Wilshere

Rooney

Sturridge

Kane

Lallana

Rose has looked dodgy in my opinion. Give Bertrand a run out. Alli jaded, wilshere in. Hart poor, Forster in. Sterling shite. Sturridge in.

Kane not very good but he wins free kicks and will have more influence on the pitch with sturridge there.

Being vardy on 60mins

 

are you a spurs fan or something

[Vlad the Fox]

Yeah because kane is lethal on the wing ain't he.

This is all part of hodgeson's long term plan to make sure rooney plays in the next couple of tournaments. I can see the headlines now;

'Roy to start hart on the bench as he's worried he can only play the goalkeeper role, Rooney will step in.'

[apple987]

are you a spurs fan or something

Wtf yeah that's why I'm dropping Alli and rose. I don't care about what player plays for what club. This is England. Vardy is best coming off the bench for England in my opinion. Think of the Germany game and Wales game. He has a big impact off the bench.

[Guest Col city fan]

And let's be honest here, what did vardy actually do when he came on the other day? Yes he scored the goal from a few yards out (stood well offside) and held the ball up for second goal. But other than that he didn't actually do anything.

Not his fault though because the service wasn't there, as it isn't for kane either. I just think people are going too overboard with the actual impact vardy had. For me it was mainly down to sturridge and walker we won the game.

So what you're saying is apart from scoring the first goal and effectively setting up the second, he did nothing?

[Vlad the Fox]

Wtf yeah that's why I'm dropping Alli and rose. I don't care about what player plays for what club. This is England. Vardy is best coming off the bench for England in my opinion. Think of the Germany game and Wales game. He has a big impact off the bench.

I think that was because of the situation, England needing to attack and go for it. If we didn't play so negative from the start Vardy would be fine starting down the middle putting the opposition on the back foot from the start, we should look to attack teams from the beginning its our strength and kane has been woeful so far.

[apple987]

So what you're saying is apart from scoring the first goal and effectively setting up the second, he did nothing?

Seems to me it's all very 'the do they mean us thread' when it comes to vardy on here.

People desperate for him to be the one who gets England far in the tournament so that you can all say to everyone it was all down to a Leicester player.

If he had already signed for arsenal you wouldn't care less if he wasn't starting the next match. I find it all really odd. This is England, it's nothing to do with Lcfc.

Genuinely think Fans on here would prefer England to lose in the final if it meant Vardy playing every match and scoring 5 goals, rather than England winning the tournament and Kane scoring a load and vardy not getting on the pitch.

[The Blur]

It's pretty clear that you can start Sturridge and Vardy as Sturridge can drop back to a deeper position and also enjoys pulling out wide. Vardy central, with Sturridge roaming, it's not rocket science.

 

 

I thought Sturridge was not convincing when he dropped back, he kept firing it well over the bar and he also held on the ball for too long at times when he tried to get in shooting positions. He got better as the game went on to be fair. 

[apple987]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3647354/Euro-2016-matches-increasingly-decided-coming-bench-s-not-start-s-finish.html

Great carragher article on subs being more important than the starters

[AKCJ]

Wtf yeah that's why I'm dropping Alli and rose. I don't care about what player plays for what club. This is England. Vardy is best coming off the bench for England in my opinion. Think of the Germany game and Wales game. He has a big impact off the bench.

 

He has a big impact coming off the bench because he's simply miles better than the person he's replacing.

 

He's one of the first names on the teamsheet IMO.

 

4 goals in his last 5 games for England.

[m4DD0gg]

Wtf yeah that's why I'm dropping Alli and rose. I don't care about what player plays for what club. This is England. Vardy is best coming off the bench for England in my opinion. Think of the Germany game and Wales game. He has a big impact off the bench.

Why would you have goal post face in there. He has done the square root of feck all in the first two games except take shit corners and be a bottle job

[apple987]

Why would you have goal post face in there. He has done the square root of feck all in the first two games except take shit corners and be a bottle job

Unfortunately you have an agenda against him because he plays for Tottenham and you see them as our rivals. They were our rivals for about 3 months at the end of last season. Now they are forgotten about.

[apple987]

Kane is still a deadly finisher. He hasn't had any service at all. What glaring opportunities has he missed so far then for us? I think even Ronaldo would look poor playing alongside sterling. Oh yeah what has Ronaldo done then so far for Portugal? Guessing you would drop him too. As he's done the square root of feck all too

[Parafox]

And let's be honest here, what did vardy actually do when he came on the other day? Yes he scored the goal from a few yards out (stood well offside) and held the ball up for second goal. But other than that he didn't actually do anything.

Not his fault though because the service wasn't there, as it isn't for kane either. I just think people are going too overboard with the actual impact vardy had. For me it was mainly down to sturridge and walker we won the game.

 

He wasn't offside as the replays showed, the ball came to him from a head of a Wales defender

[Dodgy Bob]

Can't see how Vardy is better off the bench. If we're bringing him on that means we're chasing the game and playing against a decent defence who are sitting back defending a lead isn't Vardy's best situation. If anything, Kane would be better to bring on because he's marginally better at scoring from a range of situations. Vardy from the start when both sides are going for goals and the game can become stretched is obviously the way to go, but Roy clearly doesn't like Vardy, and he'll live and die by that decision. So far it's abundantly clear that he's hideously wrong, and I don't believe that will change.

As for Vardy's goal being luck, well that's just nonsense. He's got himself in front of the defenders on purpose, to give himself a chance if the ball drops. That's what happened and then he's there, ready to pounce and he swivels and puts the ball in the net. All about predatory instincts, speed of thought and finishing. Qualities Kane is yet to demonstrate.

[Finnaldo]

Kane is still a deadly finisher. He hasn't had any service at all. What glaring opportunities has he missed so far then for us? I think even Ronaldo would look poor playing alongside sterling. Oh yeah what has Ronaldo done then so far for Portugal? Guessing you would drop him too. As he's done the square root of feck all too

Is Portugal had a player who'd score one less than Ronaldo in the season and scored 4 in 5 for Portugal, including coming on in the last must win game and scoring one and setting up the winner, they likely would.

It's not about it being Kane, it's the fact he simply hasn't performed. Using 'He's a deadly finisher' as an excuse is the reason England fail every tournament. He hasn't performed in the set up this tournament, so start Vardy and Sturridge who have done more than he has in 45 than he did in 135. If Vardy does nothing next game, and Kane comes on and scores, then Kane starts the next game. Simple.

[Aus Fox]

Kane is still a deadly finisher. He hasn't had any service at all. What glaring opportunities has he missed so far then for us? I think even Ronaldo would look poor playing alongside sterling. Oh yeah what has Ronaldo done then so far for Portugal? Guessing you would drop him too. As he's done the square root of feck all too

So Vardy shouldn't start because all he has done is scored one and set one up, but Kane should because he hasn't missed any chances yet???

You do realise that you have to get into the right positions to get those chances don't you? They don't just fall at your feet anywhere!

And if I had someone that was offering more to my team at this particularly point in time, yes I would drop Ronaldo and bring them in.

No player is bigger than any team, and players out of form shouldn't be in the team, especially when the games are coming thick and fast.

[Corky]

Kane is still a deadly finisher. He hasn't had any service at all. What glaring opportunities has he missed so far then for us? I think even Ronaldo would look poor playing alongside sterling. Oh yeah what has Ronaldo done then so far for Portugal? Guessing you would drop him too. As he's done the square root of feck all too

 

Might help if he wasn't taking corners or ballooning free kicks over the bar. If he's a great finisher then for set pieces he should be in the box.

[Guest MattP]

It's pretty clear that you can start Sturridge and Vardy as Sturridge can drop back to a deeper position and also enjoys pulling out wide. Vardy central, with Sturridge roaming, it's not rocket science.

 

Exactly, the change is pretty simple for me, Sturridge into Sterling's position and Vardy in for Kane. It's not complicated.

[Jimothy]

Exactly, the change is pretty simple for me, Sturridge into Sterling's position and Vardy in for Kane. It's not complicated.

Astonishingly Hodgson doesn't seem to give a **** that Kane can only play centrally. Basically what he's saying is he can't start Vardy because he wants to bring Kane back as the centre striker, and Vardy struggles out wide.

[foxes21]

Sorry Rashford starting ahead of Vardy? Am I really reading this? Roy is deserves a mention in the Biggest Cvnts of our time thread. What an absolute cretin.

To be fair, Roy is just a yes man. Its the FA.

[m4DD0gg]

Unfortunately you have an agenda against him because he plays for Tottenham and you see them as our rivals. They were our rivals for about 3 months at the end of last season. Now they are forgotten about.

Don't have an agenda at all. I want him to score for England but it's obvious to everyone cept you and Woy that he is shattered, lacking in confidence and extremely selfish on the ball.