Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2016 Posted 9 July 2016 These British Asians included Vietnamese, Burmese, Bhutanese, and the 400 odd variants of Asia.....man that's a lot of people Defintely higher end British Indian Hindu, from my own personal experience mainly Kshatriya, Vaishyas and Bramha. (I bumped into an old workmate of the latter) Although they may have just been there to check out Priti Patel who is fairly hot.
Strokes Posted 9 July 2016 Posted 9 July 2016 Although they may have just been there to check out Priti Patel who is fairly hot. Fair point, I hadn't realised this until recently but I'm a big fan now.
Dr The Singh Posted 9 July 2016 Posted 9 July 2016 Defintely higher end British Indian Hindu, from my own personal experience mainly Kshatriya, Vaishyas and Bramha. (I bumped into an old workmate of the latter) Although they may have just been there to check out Priti Patel who is fairly hot. Ahhh I see, the Varna's were well represented. I do fancy Priti myself, but I would say, her being a Gujarati, and Leicester being prominent gujji, I would say she would defo draw a crowd in Leicester.
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2016 Posted 9 July 2016 Ahhh I see, the Varna's were well represented. I do fancy Priti myself, but I would say, her being a Gujarati, and Leicester being prominent gujji, I would say she would defo draw a crowd in Leicester. I worked in an office for 4 years where a Vaishya was boss of a Brahma, interesting to say the least and a real eye opener to the caste system.
Dr The Singh Posted 9 July 2016 Posted 9 July 2016 I worked in an office for 4 years where a Vaishyas was boss of a Brahma, interesting to say the least and a real eye opener to the caste system.Mate, I've seen all sorts when it comes to caste, the systems is slavery at its worst. I'm just ashamed there are some Sikhs that have digressed to there Hindu roots and follow that shit.
Alf Bentley Posted 9 July 2016 Posted 9 July 2016 Back on Topic. Angela Eagle will challenge Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership on Monday morning, I have to say I don't fancy her chances, a Boris Johnson haircut, feeble speaker and comes across as very weird, Tom Watson was the man for this job, for a start his mandate as deputy was as big as Corbyn's for leader. Parliament will also vote on Trident on July 18th, I presume Labour have had the internal debate and sorted their position over the last nine months? Are you calling for the "Nonce-Finder-General", Matt? More seriously, Eagle will apparently "explain her vision for the country" on Monday. That will be interesting...or had better be! Given her lack of charisma, she needs to come up with some inspiring ideas to win support. It will be interesting to see how many of Corbyn's (often very good) ideas she sticks to and how much New Labour triangulation is in there. I reckon she needs to address concerns about immigration more, but otherwise stick fairly close to Corbyn's policies (strong on austerity, investment, public services) - while somehow starting to win people over. If it's a load of bland, uninspirational MOR aspirations, she might as well give up now....and we're all doomed (on the Left, for a while, anyway)! Will also be interesting to see what, if anything, she says about Brexit negotiations and about relations with other parties like Lib Dems, Greens (I'd expect nothing on the latter, but would welcome a bit more openness to alliances).
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2016 Posted 9 July 2016 Are you calling for the "Nonce-Finder-General", Matt? More seriously, Eagle will apparently "explain her vision for the country" on Monday. That will be interesting...or had better be! Given her lack of charisma, she needs to come up with some inspiring ideas to win support. It will be interesting to see how many of Corbyn's (often very good) ideas she sticks to and how much New Labour triangulation is in there. I reckon she needs to address concerns about immigration more, but otherwise stick fairly close to Corbyn's policies (strong on austerity, investment, public services) - while somehow starting to win people over. If it's a load of bland, uninspirational MOR aspirations, she might as well give up now....and we're all doomed (on the Left, for a while, anyway)! Will also be interesting to see what, if anything, she says about Brexit negotiations and about relations with other parties like Lib Dems, Greens (I'd expect nothing on the latter, but would welcome a bit more openness to alliances). Absolutely, can you imagine the delight I'll have in referring to the Labour leader as that for 4 years? (On a serious note I thought his conduct using his parliamentary privledge to accuse people who have since been declared innocent of child abuse was a disgrace, but he is a competent politician who speaks well and I take the time to listen to) It will very interesting what Eagle has to say, a vision certainly implies she's in it for the long term more than being some sort of stalking horse candidate, an alliance with the Lib Dems may be possible, I don't think you have much to gain from the Greens though, in the same way the Tories would have nothing to gain with making any pact with the far-right. If you want office you don't side with nutters. What's your opinion on what the Labour whips should do in regards to the Trident vote? They might even use this as a big stick to beat Corbyn over the head with.
Guest MattP Posted 9 July 2016 Posted 9 July 2016 edit (no case to answer, not declared innnocent of child abuse)
Guest Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 I see Eagle saying how Corbyn is the wrong man to lead Labour on the TV, Is she really the woman to lead the masses back to Labour and Labour back to power. From a distance she seems less capable and likely than either of the 2 tory candidates.
Rincewind Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Corbyn was asked if he was coping with the pressure. A good reply. https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153878704336939/ Members should concentrate on fighting the opposition instead of squabbling amongst themselves. Work together to get the Tories out. A few compromises will not do any harm. They should all want the same thing.
Guest Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Corbyn was asked if he was coping with the pressure. A good reply. https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153878704336939/ Members should concentrate on fighting the opposition instead of squabbling amongst themselves. True, but is he?
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 I see Eagle saying how Corbyn is the wrong man to lead Labour on the TV, Is she really the woman to lead the masses back to Labour and Labour back to power. From a distance she seems less capable and likely than either of the 2 tory candidates. This is the worst position Labour could get itself in - Eagle is not electable as a Prime Minister. The much more sensible route for me would be for Labour to push to remove Jeremy as leader and place Tom Watson in place given his elected role of Deputy Leader.
Guest Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 This is the worst position Labour could get itself in - Eagle is not electable as a Prime Minister. The much more sensible route for me would be for Labour to push to remove Jeremy as leader and place Tom Watson in place given his elected role of Deputy Leader. But he was elected to be DEPUTY leader not leader and that was as no.2 to JC. Seems Labour mps have to decide whether it is the labour membership or the labour mps who should decide the leader.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 But he was elected to be DEPUTY leader not leader and that was as no.2 to JC. Seems Labour mps have to decide whether it is the labour membership or the labour mps who should decide the leader. Well that's my point - if they removed Jeremy, Tom by definition of his role moves into place - and can act in the short term as a strong opposition prior to a formal leadership contest further down the line.
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Watching Angela Eagle on Sunday Politics and I'm starting to think Corbyn might be the competent option in their leadership contest, she is absolutely hopeless. Embarrassingly bad.
Guest Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Well that's my point - if they removed Jeremy, Tom by definition of his role moves into place - and can act in the short term as a strong opposition prior to a formal leadership contest further down the line. Weren't they voted in as a team though? by the way I'm listening to Rayner re-iterate JC's comment about the 0.5mil membership - they are aware that .5m is nothing when it comes to a general election aren't they? Watching Angela Eagle on Sunday Politics and I'm starting to think Corbyn might be the competent option in their leadership contest, she is absolutely hopeless. Embarrassingly bad. I tend to agree. She comes over as MS.Nasty.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Watching Angela Eagle on Sunday Politics and I'm starting to think Corbyn might be the competent option in their leadership contest, she is absolutely hopeless. Embarrassingly bad. I'm suprised she's managed to find 51 MPs to back her. Mean I get that they may not like Corbyn, but in what way is Angela Eagle the answer!
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Isabel Oakshott just said exactly what I was thinking, never seen a person launch a leadership bid looking so utterly miserable.
Guest Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Isabel Oakshott just said exactly what I was thinking, never seen a person launch a leadership bid looking so utterly miserable. I think she was making an effort.
Guest Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 If Eagle wins Labour stay unelectable and the same saga goes on with a less likeable centrepiece.
Christoph Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 If Eagle wins Labour stay unelectable and the same saga goes on with a less likeable centrepiece. Agreed. But if Corbyn stays then he is undermined by the fact most of his MP's dont want him and thus may make him unelectable as well. What a shit heap for Labour. Can see another Conservative government for a good while longer.
Thracian Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Weren't they voted in as a team though? by the way I'm listening to Rayner re-iterate JC's comment about the 0.5mil membership - they are aware that .5m is nothing when it comes to a general election aren't they? I tend to agree. She comes over as MS.Nasty. It's frightening to imagine the kind of leadership we might get under Labour. As if Miliband wasn't bad enough. We're so desperate for a credible opposition party it's becoming sad.
reynard Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Agreed. But if Corbyn stays then he is undermined by the fact most of his MP's dont want him and thus may make him unelectable as well. What a shit heap for Labour. Can see another Conservative government for a good while longer. If Corbyn stays then the likelihood is that there will be a new party formed rather like the SDP in the 1980s. A clear split in the opposition party maybe good for the country in the long term as a viable opposition is required for our democracy to work effectively. We don't want a situation where the government effectively steamrolls through anything without it being seriously debated. The unanticipated result of the brexit vote is a country in a short term political shambles.
Christoph Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 If Corbyn stays then the likelihood is that there will be a new party formed rather like the SDP in the 1980s. A clear split in the opposition party maybe good for the country in the long term as a viable opposition is required for our democracy to work effectively. We don't want a situation where the government effectively steamrolls through anything without it being seriously debated. The unanticipated result of the brexit vote is a country in a short term political shambles. I wasn't around in the 80's so cant really say what it was like when the SDP were trying to run but as far as I know they never got in power and the split made the conservatives stronger, with labour voters splitting between themselves. Do you not think the same could happen here? Most Conservative voters will carry on voting conservative whilst the labour voters are now split in half on the new party or the old one? Theres rumours that a pro-centralist EU party between Labour and conservatives could be made but to me that just sounds like the Lib dems.
Alf Bentley Posted 10 July 2016 Posted 10 July 2016 Isabel Oakshott just said exactly what I was thinking, never seen a person launch a leadership bid looking so utterly miserable. That's her standard persona, to judge from previous interviews. She isn't big on charisma. Then again, neither is Theresa May, whereas Blair & Cameron were..... Maybe we could do with a few less charismatic snake-oil salesmen and a few more competent, trustworthy, charisma-free bores? Even I'm too young to remember Attlee, but my Dad (who loved him) remembered him as a personally very dull bloke. He just acted as a sort of chairman, allocating portfolios to ministers and sacking them if they weren't up to the job. He remembered Attlee coming out of No. 10 on New Year's Day and a reporter asking him "Do you have a message for the nation, Mr. Attlee?". Attlee's response? "No". Brilliant! Can you imagine the sanctimonious guff that Blair or Cameron would have come out with? Did Eagle mention any particular policies? She needs something to win people over....and it isn't going to be charisma!
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