Stop Funding Hate

[los dedos]

2 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

 

 

the fact the daily mail gets 15 million hits a day says everything you need to know about manh people in This country 

 

 

Err ,you do know that the mail is the biggest news website worldwide and most hits come from outside the UK.

[Barky]

2 minutes ago, Benguin said:

You are part of the problem. Branding the silent majority as uneducated. Come back with an actual argument based on facts or sit down mate.

Well I'm sorry but it's just a fact that both the brexit and trump wins were based on votes which came mostly from people without further education. I'm not saying those people lack intelligence.

[Benguin]

Just now, Barky said:

Well I'm sorry but it's just a fact that both the brexit and trump wins were based on votes which came mostly from people without further education.

No it's not.

[Barky]

1 minute ago, Benguin said:

No it's not.

 

I'd post a link that quite clearly shows that people without degrees voted overwhelmingly for brexit and the same for trump, but I'm expecting pizza so

[EastAnglianFox]

9 minutes ago, Barky said:

Well I'm sorry but it's just a fact that both the brexit and trump wins were based on votes which came mostly from people without further education. I'm not saying those people lack intelligence.

 

Literally no words.

[Barky]

Clear as day I'm afraid, from the bbc

[Benguin]

1 minute ago, Barky said:

Clear as day I'm afraid, from the bbc

But have you taken into consideration that younger people were more likely to vote remain/Clinton and in the last twenty years higher education graduates has tenfolded?

[Barky]

2 minutes ago, Benguin said:

But have you taken into consideration that younger people were more likely to vote remain/Clinton and in the last twenty years higher education graduates has tenfolded?

There's definitely an age factor at play as well. Older people voted predominantly for trump as they did with brexit. For me giving them the excuse that they're sick of lefties telling them how to think is letting them off lightly. They just want to be young again, back to a time where they could offend minorities without repercussion and keep women in their place like they could in the good old days. Just think back to some of that god awful rhetoric about the empire we had to listen to during the brexit campaign. Those people are off their heads. Try as they might voting for old fashioned principles isn't going to make them young again.

[Benguin]

Just now, Barky said:

There's definitely an age factor at play as well. Older people voted predominantly for trump as they did with brexit. For me giving them the excuse that they're sick of lefties telling them how to think is letting them off lightly. They just want to be young again, back to a time where they could offend minorities without repercussion and keep women in their place like they could in the good old days. Just think back to some of that god awful rhetoric about the empire we had to listen to during the brexit campaign. Those people are off their heads. Try as they might voting for old fashioned principles isn't going to make them young again.

I mean seriously, are you trolling?

[Barky]

1 minute ago, Benguin said:

I mean seriously, are you trolling?

 

No I'm generalising. Don't tell me the new right wing are going to get offended if someone generalises about them now, after all they've banged on about freedom to talk ignorant shit, that would just be too ironic

[Benguin]

2 minutes ago, Barky said:

 

No I'm generalising. Don't tell me the new right wing are going to get offended if someone generalises about them now, after all they've banged on about freedom to talk ignorant shit, that would just be too ironic

I'm not right wing, I've said several times on here that political compassing is inherently a bad thing. People should be encouraged to take each political issue on it's own merits as each political issue is different. I'm not offended I just think that either you are not serious, or you are one of these uneducated folk you keep talking about.

[Steven]

9 hours ago, stripeyfox said:

I despair at the Daily Mail. I work in an office where nearly everyone browses the Mail website at lunchtime. Personally I'd rather chop my own bollocks off than even entertain the idea of looking at their website and adding to their click traffic (or whatever it is called). My parents used to read the mail and they became convinced that every 15 year old in the country was on drugs and hung around street corners waiting to mug them. Now it is "immigrants". The DM (and others) love to create division - it is their aim.

 

I was also the only one in my office to vote "Remain"....

 

 

Google Zinoviev letter.

[Strokes]

6 hours ago, Barky said:

Clear as day I'm afraid, from the bbc

I'd like to know how this data is compiled, seeing how we know polling before elections is massively inaccurate and voting is anonymous. What makes us believe this sample is anymore accurate?

[GaelicFox]

6 hours ago, los dedos said:

Err ,you do know that the mail is the biggest news website worldwide and most hits come from outside the UK.

Er ..... look your facts up 

 

The NRS estimates that the Daily Mail and Mail Online has some 23.5m UK readers over the course of a month. It puts the Daily Mirror in second place with 17.5m readers over the course of a month and the Daily Telegraph in third with 16.4m (neck and neck with The Guardian on 16.3m).

 

23 million dumb fecks 

 

Says it all really 

[GaelicFox]

15 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I'd like to know how this data is compiled, seeing how we know polling before elections is massively inaccurate and voting is anonymous. What makes us believe this sample is anymore accurate?

It's about as accurate as Jeff shlupp through one on one with a keeper ! 

[sphericalfox]

7 hours ago, MattP said:

My word, whenever you think the left have embarrassed themselves beyond what you think they can do some others step up to the plate. 

 

Now it's becoming don't read what we say, how I spent a day wondering why people voted for Trump I have no idea, I could have saved all that time just reading posts from Sphericalfox. 

 

Looking forward to my Sunday Times and Mail on Sunday; if this takes off I'll buy am Express every day as well. 

The irony meter breaks as FT's own wet-Trump makes an appearance.

[Strokes]

15 minutes ago, sphericalfox said:

The irony meter breaks as FT's own wet-Trump makes an appearance.

That's a strange way to announce yourself but 

[GazzinderFox]

8 hours ago, Mark_w said:

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Well I think it's a valid, if nefarious course of action. But it would signal a change of approach and would also seem to be a tacit admission that they don't believe they can win the argument by use of reason.

[GazzinderFox]

8 hours ago, EastAnglianFox said:

Genuine question, would this campaign have even been started had the referendum result been different??

The answer to your question is no. This campaign started after the brexit court case, not after a headline about immigration which seems to be the primary beef.

 

For this reason I considered bunging it in the EU thread. But it does have wider implications surrounding the press that need consideration.

[GazzinderFox]

38 minutes ago, sphericalfox said:

The irony meter breaks as FT's own wet-Trump makes an appearance.

I hope you made it to the toilet in time!

[Jon the Hat]

Consumer pressure has its place, but this being offended by what people not the same as you think crap has resulted in huge swathes of the population voting for the opposite of what the offended said would happen.  So maybe concentrate on debate and discussion not censorship and no platform bullshit.

[sphericalfox]

7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Consumer pressure has its place, but this being offended by what people not the same as you think crap has resulted in huge swathes of the population voting for the opposite of what the offended said would happen.  So maybe concentrate on debate and discussion not censorship and no platform bullshit.

Jon, are you suggesting what is being put on the front page is actually adding to a debate? It's not. More or less it's not even factual, and hidden apologies are too little to late as the damage is done. I'm all for reasoned debate utilising facts. But supplementing and stoking hate is not reasonable, and the purpose (once again) of the this particular campaign is not to censor a different viewpoint, it's for corporate entities to consider whether they want to align themselves to sell their products within a media outlet that feels it's okay to publish a long and relentless campaign that adds nothing to conversation or discussion about, rightfully, areas of concern for a proportion of this country.

[Barky]

1 hour ago, Strokes said:

I'd like to know how this data is compiled, seeing how we know polling before elections is massively inaccurate and voting is anonymous. What makes us believe this sample is anymore accurate?

It says on the image, it's from exit polls, which generally are more accurate

[Webbo]

I'm 51 years old, I come from a poor back ground. I've been in work since I was 16, I've raised 3 children, I've paid a mortgage, I've claimed family tax benefit, travelled abroad. I follow the news, I'm quite well read. I lived through the middle and end of the cold war. I've experienced Labour/conservative , republican/democrat govts.In short I've experienced a bit of life.

 

. The idea that some over privileged 23 year old with a third rate degree in media studies from the university of Scunthorpe has a better grasp of reality than me is laughable.

[Barky]

5 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I'm 51 years old, I come from a poor back ground. I've been in work since I was 16, I've raised 3 children, I've paid a mortgage, I've claimed family tax benefit, travelled abroad. I follow the news, I'm quite well read. I lived through the middle and end of the cold war. I've experienced Labour/conservative , republican/democrat govts.In short I've experienced a bit of life.

 

. The idea that some over privileged 23 year old with a third rate degree in media studies from the university of Scunthorpe has a better grasp of reality than me is laughable.

 

And your point is?