Finnegan Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 19 minutes ago, Webbo said: Do you think they should be forced out of business? I certainly think they should be held more accountable for the rubbish they publish than they are.
Fox92 Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 21 minutes ago, Webbo said: Newspapers are increasingly irrelevant, sales are on the decline, without advertising they will go out of business so to try to stop advertising you are trying to put them out of business. If these people were trying to stop the Mirror too you could argue they were trying to stop tabloid excesses but they're not. It's blatantly obvious what they're trying to do. How anyone can pretend differently is beyond me. They aren't campaigning to put them out of business, Webbo, just "change". Their tagline "don't hate the media, change the media". ... If that helps. You can't just shut down free press. I hate The Sun and The Daily Mail as much as the next person but they also have 'a right' what to print. Hislop made a good point about this on HIGNFY the other week. Nobody is forced to buy it or read it BUT it is absolute vile shite and the sooner it is changed/people turn their back on it, the better.
ousefox Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 8 minutes ago, Webbo said: Newspapers are increasingly irrelevant, sales are on the decline, without advertising they will go out of business so to try to stop advertising you are trying to put them out of business. If these people were trying to stop the Mirror too you could argue they were trying to stop tabloid excesses but they're not. It's blatantly obvious what they're trying to do. How anyone can pretend differently is beyond me. The Mail sells over 1.5m a day, the sun near to 2m. The Mail, I believe, gets more hits than any other news website in the world. They're definitely not irrelevant. I think someone asked you to find the Mirror showing some hate on their front page. I'm sure they have in the past, but I can't think of any recent examples. Two of the Mail's headlines last week were shocking. The foreigners on the phone front page - making it out as if they're the only people who do that. The court case one was just as ridiculous whatever side of the brexit argument you're on.
Strokes Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 I don't need funding to peddle my hate. I can tell you, you're all a bunch of ***** and it costs nothing
Spiritwalker Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 27 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I certainly think they should be held more accountable for the rubbish they publish than they are. We all want a free press, but we need some form of independent regulation. Self regulation = no regulation and it has left us with a couple of hate filled shite peddling papers. It's all well and good saying if you don't like it don't buy it but people actually believe and are influenced by this shit. My parents read The Sun, my dad came round on Wednesday and greeted me with " I see some foreign bastards have gone to court to stop brexit. I do like the idea that market forces may somehow tame our gutter press.
SMX11 Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 Just more attempts to shut down debate, you would have thought these groups would have seen what such things do to election results.......
Guest Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 1 minute ago, SMX11 said: Just more attempts to shut down debate, you would have thought these groups would have seen what such things do to election results....... Yeah. Making people accountable for their actions is definitely the same as shutting down debate.
sphericalfox Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 2 minutes ago, SMX11 said: Just more attempts to shut down debate, you would have thought these groups would have seen what such things do to election results....... Debate and discourse require objective reasoning and facts. These are not in abundance in the shitrags. Corporate association could be damaging to those that advertise in them. Attempting to highlight to them this is not stifling debate in any form.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 2 hours ago, GazzinderFox said: In the last couple of days I've become aware of a campaign called stop funding hate. I expect some of you have seen it too. This organisation is putting pressure on several supermarkets to stop all advertising in the Sun, the DM and the Telegraph. Is this the way to counter hysteria on the front pages or is it simply an illiberal attempt to censor the right wing press? I guess what I'm getting at here is not to debate the merits of these newspapers but to debate whether this is the best approach for countering their arguments. An organisation of pathetic winging cranks, that have nothing better to do with their time, than spout utter crap. They should bog off and do one, and leave the press alone, the fecking bunch feeble minded, deluded cvnts!
Guest Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 Just now, DANGEROUS TIGER said: An organisation of pathetic winging cranks, that have nothing better to do with their time, than spout utter crap. They should bog off and do one, and leave the press alone, the fecking bunch feeble minded, deluded cvnts! Don't worry. You'll still be able to buy the Mail in it's current migration hysteria format for a while yet DT to get your daily fix of paranoia and fear
Samilktray Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 I would be absolutely fine with both The Sun & Daily Mail going out of business. I hope its employees have to give oranges in socks as gifts this Christmas because of it.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 the express is something else, definitely recommend to at least read it once
Webbo Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 1 hour ago, Watson said: The Mail sells over 1.5m a day, the sun near to 2m. The Mail, I believe, gets more hits than any other news website in the world. They're definitely not irrelevant. I think someone asked you to find the Mirror showing some hate on their front page. I'm sure they have in the past, but I can't think of any recent examples. Two of the Mail's headlines last week were shocking. The foreigners on the phone front page - making it out as if they're the only people who do that. The court case one was just as ridiculous whatever side of the brexit argument you're on. Nobody's given me an example of the Mail pushing hate on their front page.
benpicko Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 2 hours ago, Webbo said: A Guardian journalist tweeted that it was time for a presidential assassination this week. Does that count as hate? You mean the 'Guardian journalist' Monisha Rajesh who wrote two articles in the past year for them and seven in the past year for The Telegraph?
Finnegan Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 4 minutes ago, benpicko said: You mean the 'Guardian journalist' Monisha Rajesh who wrote two articles in the past year for them and seven in the past year for The Telegraph?
Webbo Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 4 minutes ago, benpicko said: You mean the 'Guardian journalist' Monisha Rajesh who wrote two articles in the past year for them and seven in the past year for The Telegraph? I'm not trying to put the Telegraph out of business either.
Benguin Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 3 hours ago, GazzinderFox said: In the last couple of days I've become aware of a campaign called stop funding hate. I expect some of you have seen it too. This organisation is putting pressure on several supermarkets to stop all advertising in the Sun, the DM and the Telegraph. Is this the way to counter hysteria on the front pages or is it simply an illiberal attempt to censor the right wing press? I guess what I'm getting at here is not to debate the merits of these newspapers but to debate whether this is the best approach for countering their arguments. It's the route cause of brexit, Trump getting in etc etc. Stop telling people what they can and can't read. Put political correctness in the bin where it belongs. Let freedom of speech prevail. The more the left push, the harder the right push back. The left isn't about liberating anymore, its about trampling down everything and creating a world of douchebags clad in cotton wool unable to engage in any intellectual debate.
AKCJ Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 In my own personal experience, those who think that political correctness should "get in the bin" are closet racists and homophobes. Name one thing that is actually bad about it.
Izzy Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 I know I'm thick, but I don't get it. Who has the right to define these headlines as 'hate' anyway? Are these papers openly admitting to pushing hate campaigns? If so, fair enough. But if not, surely it's just open to opinion. Some might call it hate, while some might call it the truth. Can't see the need for a 'campaign' myself..
sphericalfox Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 2 minutes ago, Benguin said: It's the route cause of brexit, Trump getting in etc etc. Stop telling people what they can and can't read. Put political correctness in the bin where it belongs. Let freedom of speech prevail. The more the left push, the harder the right push back. The left is about liberating anymore, its about trampling down everything a creating a world of douchebags clad in cotton wool unable to engage in any intellectual debate. I find it amusing that you think this papers are engaging intellectual debate. 20 minutes ago, Webbo said: Nobody's given me an example of the Mail pushing hate on their front page. There's plenty of 'daily' examples, but these ones were obviously pulled together by some lefty loon/foreigner/ minority selectively making them look bad, and clearly these headlines are merely reflective of a political stance rather than some twisted hate agenda, and of course any organisation that advertises within these papers should be proud to make profit on the back of this, shouldn't they?
Webbo Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 8 minutes ago, sphericalfox said: I find it amusing that you think this papers are engaging intellectual debate. There's plenty of 'daily' examples, but these ones were obviously pulled together by some lefty loon/foreigner/ minority selectively making them look bad, and clearly these headlines are merely reflective of a political stance rather than some twisted hate agenda, and of course any organisation that advertises within these papers should be proud to make profit on the back of this, shouldn't they? "You must take your veil off" "Judge rules that Muslim defendant can wear niqab during trial but not when giving evidence" I struggling to see how that's spreading hate? Are you saying that the judge didn't say that? "University campuses are hotbeds of Islamic extremism" Do you know that that's not true? "Suspected anthrax attack on mosque" Isn't that reporting hate against minorities?
Guest Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: "You must take your veil off" "Judge rules that Muslim defendant can wear niqab during trial but not when giving evidence" I struggling to see how that's spreading hate? Are you saying that the judge didn't say that? That's what you're taking from that small collection?
sphericalfox Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 1 minute ago, Webbo said: "You must take your veil off" "Judge rules that Muslim defendant can wear niqab during trial but not when giving evidence" I struggling to see how that's spreading hate? Are you saying that the judge didn't say that? Webbo are you dense? You do know how campaign works don't you? It works be setting a particular agenda on a particular topic and repeatedly twisting facts or in fact making them to suit that agenda, and consistently putting these through headlines on their front pages over and over and over again, and through their websites using clickbait techniques. Then when pulled up on these, hide the apology in tiny writing in a corner of the paper or webpage that the regular readers don't see or care to read.
Webbo Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 Just now, Emilio Lestavez said: That's what you're taking from that small collection? I've added a couple more, there's a lot there. Do you think that's spreading hate?
AKCJ Posted 12 November 2016 Posted 12 November 2016 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: "You must take your veil off" "Judge rules that Muslim defendant can wear niqab during trial but not when giving evidence" I struggling to see how that's spreading hate? Are you saying that the judge didn't say that? "University campuses are hotbeds of Islamic extremism" Do you know that that's not true? "Suspected anthrax attack on mosque" Isn't that reporting hate against minorities? Don't act stupid Webbo, it doesn't suit you.
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