Slimani

[ZeGuy]

42 minutes ago, Thracian said:

Being called all sorts of things doesn't negate or necessarily question his ability. Some critics may be blinded by their own eyelids just as some of Slimani's promoters clearly let the guys strengths obliterate his weaknesses but I fail to see how any fair-minded judge would doubt the man's talent and threat in and around the penalty box. The debate though, is about much more than that.       

Please, take a look at the comments just in this thread (the three last pages will do): lazy, Ulloa's poor man, donkey, not good enough, no ball control, no team work, can't pass, can't defend, can't hold the ball...

 

Of course a fair minded judge would look past his price tag and recognize his abilities as well as his weaknesses but by god, he's litterally torn apart here. A lot don't like him for whatever reason and just can't wait to slag him off.

 

Watch for the reactions post-match when he misses a goal opportunity next time.

[boobagab]

 

16 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

If you are taking a 14 minute appearance and judging on that, then we should look at his most recent appearance too. 

28minutes from the bench. He scored. He closed down. He worked hard. No negative body language. Him and Vardy worked together in the 4-4-2. 

You can't look past that surely. 

 

I think there is some way to go before anyone can decide if he will be a success here or not. I'm surprised that many are suggesting he probably won't be, as 6 goals in 11 full games suggests otherwise, but there is some way to go but I would conclude, that the signs are more promising than not. 

 

He was just accused of having an altercation with a teammate vs. West Ham and being lazy.

 

I just don't see it at all in the match video.  Slimani (no. 19) enters the match at 41:45 minutes in

[STUHILL]

2 minutes ago, boobagab said:

 

 

He was just accused of having an altercation with a teammate vs. West Ham and being lazy.

 

This is another thing that's simply not true. And it's easily debunked by watching the match video.  Slimani (no. 19) enters the match at 41:45 minutes in. 

I'm sad enough and have enough time on my hands to watch it from when he is subbed on. I am curious to see if I can pick up on laziness/attitude etc as a few have said it

[boobagab]

2 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I'm sad enough and have enough time on my hands to watch it from when he is subbed on. I am curious to see if I can pick up on laziness/attitude etc as a few have said it

 

I'm giving it a second watch. 

 

So far, the accusations that he had body language, had an altercation, and was lazy appear unfounded. Five minutes in, all I'm seeing is lots of aggressive pressing. 

 

I'm genuinely interested in whether someone can point out exactly where they see these things. The video evidence is right here. If someone wants to make claims, back it up. 

[boobagab]

2 minutes ago, boobagab said:

 

I'm giving it a second watch. 

 

So far, the accusations that he had body language, had an altercation, and was lazy appear unfounded. Five minutes in, all I'm seeing is lots of aggressive pressing. 

 

I'm genuinely interested in whether someone can point out exactly where they see these things. The video evidence is right here. If someone wants to make claims, back it up. 

7 minutes in, Slimani tries to start a counter with Riyad at the edge of the box. Carroll intercepts it and gets a shot on goal.

 

Again, no laziness or bad body language. Just terrible execution. 

[lgfualol]

Dont get this lazy thing. Seems he is  the laziest player in the league to some people despite the fact he covered more ground than Vardy up until Xmas

[Redouane]

27 minutes ago, boobagab said:

 

I'm giving it a second watch. 

 

So far, the accusations that he had body language, had an altercation, and was lazy appear unfounded. Five minutes in, all I'm seeing is lots of aggressive pressing. 

 

I'm genuinely interested in whether someone can point out exactly where they see these things. The video evidence is right here. If someone wants to make claims, back it up. 

Hmmm i like Slimani, but I have to point one weird decision by him. At 48 minutes he just let Lanzini take the ball and walked casually. But we don't know what Shakey's instructions were, maybe he didn't want him to overcommit defensively

 

Edit: watched again, I think Craig shouted something to him as he was slowing sown

 

Edit2: watched again, right before Slim slowed down, Craig made a gesture towards him, then he suddenly stopped. 

 

 

[SecretPro]

Slims good. We bought him for his head and that's what he does best. He isn't Jamie Vardy, get over it. 

PS. Before his injury his work rate was terrific. Yes he's let down by a dodgy touch but he always works hard and helps out the midfield a fair chunk. Not really been given a proper chance with anyone other than Ranieri managing him, who lets be honest, made everyone look dogshit for most of the season. Not leased JV. 

 

Look at his stats, ground covered, assists, goals and he was actually one of our best players prior to injury. Sure some people just pick a player to dislike for the hell of it. No doubt his price tag has a lot to do with that but I'm pretty sure Slim didn't set that. 

[boobagab]

Just now, lgfualol said:

Dont get this lazy thing. Seems he is either the laziest player in the league to some people despite the fact he covered more ground than Vardy up until Xmas

 

The thing that confuses me most about those accusations is all the Sporting fans that have invaded some of Leicester's social media saying that Slimani was one of the least technically gifted players ever but was beloved because he drilled himself to the ground. They didn't do that with Van Wolfswinkel when he went to Norwich despite him being a prolific scorer for Sporting. Slimani seemed to also invoke a lot of hatred from Benfica and Porto supporters for his aggression. Having the reputation of a bulldog and being called the Diego Costa of Portugal seems like the antithesis of being lazy.

[boobagab]

5 minutes ago, Redouane said:

Hmmm i like Slimani, but I have to point one weird decision by him. At 48 minutes he just let Lanzini take the ball and walked casually. But we don't know what Shakey's instructions were, maybe he didn't want him to overcommit defensively

 

Edit: watched again, I think Craig shouted something to him as he was slowing sown

 

Lanzini is a CAM and he picked the ball up at the left wing. I don't think a striker is ever supposed to be stretched out like that by an attacker. Technically Drinkwater was supposed to be zonal marking him but the whole midfield was intentionally sitting back and letting Lanzini pick the ball up from deep. Mahrez could've also pressed him if Lanzini stayed wide. 

 

Leicester was doing the same thing with Samir Nasri the entire Sevilla match at home. Nasri was picking the ball up very deep in Sevilla's midfield but he struggled to get it into the attacking third. 

[Eagle10]

32 minutes ago, boobagab said:

 

I'm giving it a second watch. 

 

So far, the accusations that he had body language, had an altercation, and was lazy appear unfounded. Five minutes in, all I'm seeing is lots of aggressive pressing. 

 

I'm genuinely interested in whether someone can point out exactly where they see these things. The video evidence is right here. If someone wants to make claims, back it up. 

Mate it is a lost cause, people painted Slimani what he isn't and now everything he does is bad. You are just wasting your time, and I don't want to say it because it is a bit rude but some people in this forum, and there are quite a few, don't understand jack about football.,

[boobagab]

Just now, Eagle10 said:

Mate it is a lost cause, people painted Slimani what he isn't and now everything he does is bad. You are just wasting your time, and I don't want to say it because it is a bit rude but some people in this forum, and there are quite a few, don't understand jack about football.,

 

Aren't you the Sporting fan?

 

Seriously speaking, was Slimani ever lazy for you? Some people have accused him of that. I haven't seen it myself but he hasn't played enough. 

[Eagle10]

1 minute ago, boobagab said:

 

Aren't you the Sporting fan?

 

Seriously speaking, was Slimani ever lazy for you? Some people have accused him of that. I haven't seen it myself but he hasn't played enough. 

Yes I am. No man he was the player that worked the most throughout the 3 years he was here. He evolved so much, it wasn't funny. And he was many games the player with most distance ran. 

[Eagle10]

8 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Slims good. We bought him for his head and that's what he does best. He isn't Jamie Vardy, get over it. 

PS. Before his injury his work rate was terrific. Yes he's let down by a dodgy touch but he always works hard and helps out the midfield a fair chunk. Not really been given a proper chance with anyone other than Ranieri managing him, who lets be honest, made everyone look dogshit for most of the season. Not leased JV. 

 

Look at his stats, ground covered, assists, goals and he was actually one of our best players prior to injury. Sure some people just pick a player to dislike for the hell of it. No doubt his price tag has a lot to do with that but I'm pretty sure Slim didn't set that. 

His touch isn't that dodgy, he actually has a good first touch, he just doesn't have good dribble.

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, Bayfox said:

No i'm watching what actually happened when he came on. Offered **** all. Didn't chase. Had an altercation of words with a team mate who clearly felt he should have at least made some sort of effort to get on the end of a ball. Or put the defender inder pressure not just stop in his stride and complain.

 

Maybe we are spoilt by vardys efforts. Or i remember heskey fondly for doing the same and i never saw claridge cottee or marshall complain to much.

 

And i don't have every home match this season on tape. But there's been plenty more moaning about causes i would consider not lost. 

 

I've said i accept he has his qualities but they are limited.

 

And as for the relpy above. About vardy that the same vardy that was doing it early season when we were playing shite and most fans have now accepted that being down to claudio asking vardy to stop doing what had got him to the top. I have barely seen vardy complain or even point in the last few weeks because he's happy being allowed to play again

 

I'm not trying to murder slim but i do think he would be better served in a team like burnley as an example. We aren't set up for him to thrive in my opinion. That's not to say i think he's a cart horse either.

 

Ignoring the 10 men part. Pretty sure chillwell played him in once and stuck another brilliant ball across the 6 yard box and he wasted both.

Being the saddo I am, I've just rewatched the West Ham game from when he came on. 

 

I didn't see any altercation at all but maybe the camera's didn't pick up on it, so will have to take your word on that one. 

 

As for not chasing... Think you need to watch it again mate  It's pretty much all he did. Many sprints and pressing. Actually quite impressive speed for a big guy.

 

On a side note... I love Benny 

 

 

[boobagab]

Just now, STUHILL said:

Being the saddo I am, I've just rewatched the West Ham game from when he came on. 

 

I didn't see any altercation at all but maybe the camera's didn't pick up on it, so will have to take your word on that one. 

 

As for not chasing... Think you need to watch it again mate  It's pretty much all he did. Many sprints and pressing. Actually quite impressive speed for a big guy.

 

On a side note... I love Benny 

 

 

 

 

That makes TWO of us that watched the West Ham match and didn't see the altercation. So it either happened off camera or is a false memory.

 

This is precisely why I asked for evidence over the laziness claim. If all I'm getting is, "Did you watch the X game," I will actually watch it. 

[Redouane]

5 minutes ago, boobagab said:

 

 

That makes TWO of us that watched the West Ham match and didn't see the altercation. So it either happened off camera or is a false memory.

 

This is precisely why I asked for evidence over the laziness claim. If all I'm getting is, "Did you watch the X game," I will actually watch it. 

Are you a lawyer ? ?

[lgfualol]

11 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

On a side note... I love Benny 

 

 

Benny and Slim will lead us to our second premier league title

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, boobagab said:

 

 

That makes TWO of us that watched the West Ham match and didn't see the altercation. So it either happened off camera or is a false memory.

 

This is precisely why I asked for evidence over the laziness claim. If all I'm getting is, "Did you watch the X game," I will actually watch it. 

There were two occassions where Albrighton smashed the ball out of play, rather than up towards Slimani, so perhaps it happened then, which to be honest I'd be a bit annoyed about, considering he had a chance to hold the ball up and slow the play down, so if he was gesturing to Albrighton he wanted it, then I don't see anything wrong with that. You see it all the time actually from most players. 

 

As for laziness, absolutely not. He made a lot of sprints and pressed when the ball was near to him and made a decent lunging interception with a few minutes to go, which nearly set up a goal. I have never seen anything to question is work rate or his attitude actually, certainly not to the extent to label him lazy or having an attitude problem. Two very strong and baseless statements if you ask me. 

 

I do accept the doubts on whether he can play with Vardy consistently, game after game and whether sacrificing Okazaki outweighs what Slimani offers with his goal threat. Time will tell on that one, but I would hope it is possible as in an ideal world, we would have as many goal threats on the team as possible, especially in attacking positions and no one can deny that Slimani is a huge threat in the box. 

 

I hope he gets a start at Everton, mainly because I think Okazaki needs a rest but would be good to see him get a good 60-70 minutes. I'm sure unless he scores, then many will go on the offensive again, but hopefully he performs well enough, so that many of those who have their doubts, can feel a little more confident in his ability and what he can offer us going into next season. 

[Jobyfox]

I actually quite like Slimani and have done since he arrived. The thing is he has a slightly leggy and inelegant running style. People assume that he's rubbish just because there is nothing aesthetic about the way he plays. He is, however, quite often a pretty effective player. 

 

To me his biggest crime seems to be that he's not worth anything like £25-30m. That's just a bit of a nonsense. But if you are prepared to put that to one side and just rate him on his performances then I think he's given us other options and improved the squad. He's better than Ulloa, for example, and will always score more than Shinji - although he shouldn't really be compared to the latter as their roles are very different. 

[STUHILL]

6 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Benny and Slim will lead us to our second premier league title

Benny will make the blow of saying goodbye to Wasil that little less painful this summer. We have a new cult hero 

[Redouane]

The only altercations youll get with slim is if you pour champagne on him

 

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, Jobyfox said:

I actually quite like Slimani and have done since he arrived. The thing is he has a slightly leggy and inelegant running style. People assume that he's rubbish just because there is nothing aesthetic about the way he plays. He is, however, quite often a pretty effective player. 

 

To me his biggest crime seems to be that he's not worth anything like £25-30m. That's just a bit of a nonsense. But if you are prepared to put that to one side and just rate him on his performances then I think he's given us other options and improved the squad. He's better than Ulloa, for example, and will always score more than Shinji - although he shouldn't really be compared to the latter as their roles are very different. 

I think Sako has a similar problem. He runs funny and it makes him look clumsy and uneasy as a footballer, but actually, he is a composed and top defender who is rightly rated at 20million and has been a big success at Palace so far.

 

Slim's pricetag has certainly had an influence on people's judgements. It's harsh on him, as even though some will deny it, if he did cost 15-20 million then I think they would be praising him on his 7 goals in 18 appearances, which is a decent return for any signing, especially considering that many of those appearances were from the bench. 

 

Can Slimani play with Vardy in our system that has served us so well? That is the question and so far, it hasn't been properly answered. Both will score goals, that is not in doubt, so it's in our interest for it to work and it needs more time before we write it off. 

[Guest the fox]

5 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Slimani has also hardly ever played over 90 minutes for a prolonged series of matches for a while now, and whilst the goalscoring charts seem impressive (especially in a substitute role), let's also not forget he was involved in the following league defeats for 45 minutes of more:

 

Everton (h) 0-2

Bournemouth (a) 0-1

Sunderland (a) 1-2

Manchester United (a) 1-4

 

Stats are what you make of them.

 

(I deliberately omitted the 2-0 away loss at Swansea because he had just come back from a lengthy injury spell).

Oh of course, he had some bad aspects too, and his goal to minute ratio could be skewed, it might be inflated or deflated, who knows? My only problem with that is, I mentioned his direct goal threat and his effect on the game, while those defeats can also be attributed to the other 10 players on the field (not saying that the other players aren't responsible for his goal, just pointing out that his goals are mostly 70% him while he doesn't share the same % for the team's performance)

[The whole world smiles]

I absolutely love slim. I have said it before on this thread when there were less people sticking up for him and more people slagging him and i will say it again he is a monster he has the potential to be absolutely prolific for us if we play to his strengths.

 

People slagging him off based on his price tag irritate me as with the sudden influx of money for premier league clubs the 30 million we paid for him is not really 30 million as we know it bare in mind Watford turned down 40 million for ingalho.