leicsmac Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 2 hours ago, MattP said: Can't believe how big Jordan Peterson has become in the space of weeks. Went into Waterstones today and his new book is all over the prime table near the tills, will be in the best sellers list this week I imagine. Yeah, and a few years ago 50 Shades was in the same spot. Popularity is no guarantee of quality. Still, good for him - now making some good dough off his pseudo-Nietzschean views, then. Also, seriously, Mr Pence? Way to appear that you actually don't want peace at all... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43003564 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: Yeah, and a few years ago 50 Shades was in the same spot. Popularity is no guarantee of quality. Still, good for him - now making some good dough off his pseudo-Nietzschean views, then. Absolutely. I'm just delighted we've got right wing intellectuals making an impact on the public discourse now and they have the platform to express it. Long overdue hearing guys like him and Douglas Murray speak. We had virtually no representation twenty years ago and they'll hopefully create more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 6 minutes ago, MattP said: Absolutely. I'm just delighted we've got right wing intellectuals making an impact on the public discourse now and they have the platform to express it. Long overdue hearing guys like him and Douglas Murray speak. We had virtually no representation twenty years ago and they'll hopefully create more. Speaking personally, I would love to see any right-wing intellectual come up with a reasoned argument to support their right-wing views in the hard scientific fields rather than just the social sciences (how we shouldn't act against climate change, continue to rely on fossil fuels and the like) too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 7 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Speaking personally, I would love to see any right-wing intellectual come up with a reasoned argument to support their right-wing views in the hard scientific fields rather than just the social sciences (how we shouldn't act against climate change, continue to rely on fossil fuels and the like) too. Unfortunately we don't get much of that. Ironically here the only anti-climate change viewpoint on mainstream TV I've seen came from Piers Corbyn (brother of Jeremy) who describes himself as very left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 Just now, MattP said: Unfortunately we don't get much of that. Ironically here the only anti-climate change viewpoint on mainstream TV I've seen came from Piers Corbyn (brother of Jeremy) who describes himself as very left wing. Yeah, that's right. I'm curious as to why - what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Yeah, that's right. I'm curious as to why - what do you think? I don't know. Maybe they see the issue as settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03b1c7c Piers Corbyn and guests on climate change World leaders addressed a UN summit on climate change earlier this week. Piers Corbyn, brother of Labour leader Jeremy, a scientist and long-term weather forecaster, said man-made climate change is not real. Andrew Neil, Michael Portillo and Alan Johnson discussed the issue with him. There is the episode if you want to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 Just now, MattP said: I don't know. Maybe they see the issue as settled. Yeah, maybe. The only ones who seem to crop up with debates about such stuff tend to be folks with not much in the way of intellectual chops, so I would really enjoy seeing someone who actually has such chops in the scientific community have a go. But perhaps you're right and that no such folks are going for it means that there is an intellectual consensus across both wings about such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 48 minutes ago, MattP said: Unfortunately we don't get much of that. Ironically here the only anti-climate change viewpoint on mainstream TV I've seen came from Piers Corbyn (brother of Jeremy) who describes himself as very left wing. There is no valid anti-climate change viewpoint. Climate scientists are virtually unaminous worldwide. A few non-scientists denying it are not offering any serious appraisal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 February 2018 Share Posted 9 February 2018 6 hours ago, leicsmac said: Yeah, that's right. I'm curious as to why - what do you think? 6 hours ago, MattP said: I don't know. Maybe they see the issue as settled. Maybe significant funding into research of theories other than climate change has dried up? (Only noticed pun after typing) Scientists tend to go where there is money don’t they? Only the crackpot, like to be controversial go against the grain? I also imagine there is also difficulty in challenging climate change theory, whilst also talking against moves to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels and move to renewables / allowing companies to dump more chemical filled smoke into the atmosphere. True the two don’t have to go hand in hand as an arguments, but given that’s the generally accepted public perception it makes it difficult to present a contrary case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 10 February 2018 Share Posted 10 February 2018 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43012426 Fun and games in the WH, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FriendlyRam Posted 10 February 2018 Share Posted 10 February 2018 Its full of scumbags, leis. Only a matter of time before the bald eagle tries and possibly succeeds in getting rid of mueller aswell. He gone about it crafitily this time, he will get someone else (willing to do it) to do it for him. I wouldnt be shocked if he hired scaramucci into that such position, that bloke loves the bald man to bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 11 February 2018 Share Posted 11 February 2018 On 09/02/2018 at 17:16, toddybad said: There is no valid anti-climate change viewpoint. Climate scientists are virtually unaminous worldwide. A few non-scientists denying it are not offering any serious appraisal. Piers Corbyn is a scientist. If presented properly with fact and logic, no viewpoint is not valid either. Shouldn't be close minded. It was settled opinion in science once diesel was better for the environment and exercise was bad for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Share Posted 11 February 2018 (edited) Natural climate change is one thing. Like Scott Pruitt said, it's arrogant for us to assume we know what the temperature of the earth should be and probably not a good idea to try and control it. Man made climate change is another thing and is something we should be (and are, imo) trying hard to limit. Is there genuinr consensus on how much of climate change is man made though? Edited 11 February 2018 by Rogstanley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 11 February 2018 Share Posted 11 February 2018 17 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Natural climate change is one thing. Like Scott Pruitt said, it's arrogant for us to assume we know what the temperature of the earth should be and probably not a good idea to try and control it. Man made climate change is another thing and is something we should be (and are, imo) trying hard to limit. Is there genuinr consensus on how much of climate change is man made though? Have a look at the un climate change reports rog. Predictions are obviously made within a range to account for error but there is broad consensus within the scientific community, yes. The fact is we have to reduce co2 emissions to zero in a very short space of time. Every minute spent arguing with non experts is a minute wasted. And why would you take the risk? Making the relevant changes will provide jobs, continue to provide energy and will reduce pollution. Even if climate change didn't exist what could be bad about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 February 2018 Share Posted 11 February 2018 5 hours ago, Rogstanley said: Natural climate change is one thing. Like Scott Pruitt said, it's arrogant for us to assume we know what the temperature of the earth should be and probably not a good idea to try and control it. Man made climate change is another thing and is something we should be (and are, imo) trying hard to limit. Is there genuinr consensus on how much of climate change is man made though? Sadly, though there is a correlation between industrialisation and rising carbon dioxide levels, causation can't be proved to a conclusive degree, even though it's likely. Tbh I would have more sympathy for Pruitts viewpoint regarding the Earth if he also suggested and put forward plans for dealing with the consequences of a natural change, rather than doing a very capable ostrich impression and taking his cut from the oil and gas reps. The problem is that as the change necessary to either adapt to the forthcoming changes in the Earth or to reduce the human impact on such changes (or both) is costly, and governments and rich individuals don't want to have to deal with that cost - not when it's possible they'll be gone by the time the changes become apparent. So they're happy to kick the can down the road while reassuring folks that tomorrow will be just like today, and some people buy it. And that all works fine...until one day, tomorrow is most certainly not like today and we haven't done anything to prepare for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Share Posted 11 February 2018 34 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Sadly, though there is a correlation between industrialisation and rising carbon dioxide levels, causation can't be proved to a conclusive degree, even though it's likely. Tbh I would have more sympathy for Pruitts viewpoint regarding the Earth if he also suggested and put forward plans for dealing with the consequences of a natural change, rather than doing a very capable ostrich impression and taking his cut from the oil and gas reps. The problem is that as the change necessary to either adapt to the forthcoming changes in the Earth or to reduce the human impact on such changes (or both) is costly, and governments and rich individuals don't want to have to deal with that cost - not when it's possible they'll be gone by the time the changes become apparent. So they're happy to kick the can down the road while reassuring folks that tomorrow will be just like today, and some people buy it. And that all works fine...until one day, tomorrow is most certainly not like today and we haven't done anything to prepare for it. What kind of things do you think we should be doing to prepare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 February 2018 Share Posted 11 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: What kind of things do you think we should be doing to prepare? Better flood defences, improving accessibility to desalinisation tech to defend against future potable water shortages, improving crop growth and distribution networks to account for the areas that might be lost due to drought or flooding...and yes, decreasing our reliance on fossil fuels (if only to hedge our bets on the "human responsibility" part as much as anything else). That's off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogstanley Posted 11 February 2018 Share Posted 11 February 2018 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: Better flood defences, improving accessibility to desalinisation tech to defend against future potable water shortages, improving crop growth and distribution networks to account for the areas that might be lost due to drought or flooding...and yes, decreasing our reliance on fossil fuels (if only to hedge our bets on the "human responsibility" part as much as anything else). That's off the top of my head. Doesn't all that rely on the climate changing in a specific way? What if it changes in another way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 11 February 2018 Share Posted 11 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Doesn't all that rely on the climate changing in a specific way? What if it changes in another way? Yes, this relies on a general upward shift in temperature, as per NASA atmospheric data from the past hundred years and ice core data from much longer. Additionally, a downward tick in temperature (and human activity aside the temperature records for the last few hundred thousand years have been reasonably reliably cyclic) would result in similar problems regarding access to water and crop die-offs. I know what you're saying - that we should know what it is that we're facing before we take action or we're just acting blindly. And I agree, there needs to be more careful analysis of the consequences of climate change before action is taken on them. What I don't accept, however, is the kind of complacency that Pruitt and his ilk buy into that things won't change and use that as an excuse to not address the matter in the political sphere at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 13 February 2018 Share Posted 13 February 2018 http://thehill.com/homenews/media/373434-trump-proposes-eliminating-federal-funding-for-pbs-npr Because Sesame Street and NOVA are hotbeds of liberal indoctrination, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 14 February 2018 Share Posted 14 February 2018 So Trump's personal attourney paid $130,000 to silence the porn star..... out of his own pocket. How stupid do these people think we are? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/donald-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 February 2018 Share Posted 14 February 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: So Trump's personal attourney paid $130,000 to silence the porn star..... out of his own pocket. How stupid do these people think we are? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/donald-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels What gets me about this one in particular is that the morally pure social conservatives were all too keen to go after big Bill and his cigar box, but aren't going to pull up Trump for getting dirty with a prostitute. Double standards everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 14 February 2018 Share Posted 14 February 2018 1 hour ago, Buce said: So Trump's personal attourney paid $130,000 to silence the porn star..... out of his own pocket. How stupid do these people think we are? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/donald-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels They dont give a fcuk about optics. Trump didnt pay anyone so nothing to see here. P1SS OFF if you will (basically) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 February 2018 Share Posted 14 February 2018 4 hours ago, Buce said: So Trump's personal attourney paid $130,000 to silence the porn star..... out of his own pocket. How stupid do these people think we are? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/donald-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels Well given that MattP will be along in a minute to defend him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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