match thread ranieri MNF

[sdb]

Amazed so many people are running with this 'one person' behind the scenes. For me it was clearly and intentionally put out there by CR to take the spotlight off his awful decisions this season and to get people talking some more. By saying this no one is unfairly targeted but ranieri sounds like a hero too loyal to name names. 

 

The clear and honest truth is that a large proportion of players, staff, fans and probably the owners saw he needed to go. That's what happens when you lead a team to almost inevitable relegation. I love the guy but he's not stupid (tactically limited I suspect) and this was all very well (judging by the reaction) orchestrated to make him look the good guy.  

[Koke]

21 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

That did make me laugh.

 

on a serious note, I believe the foundations laid by the previous regime were so strong, we'd have won the league as long as CS and SW were still here, and the direction the club was going in wasn't changed and that's exactly what I think Ranieri did last season.

 

The problems all started when he moved moved away from the work of the previous regime and went against the backroom team that had been he far longer than he had, it's almost as if he thought he'd won the league by himself. Reminded me of when Moyes went to Utd and got rid of Phelan etc and seemed to think the Man Utd name alone would win titles. 

 

Interested to know what contribution you think he made last season other than the dilly dongs

 

You're right he did inherit a great infrastructure and set up build by the previous regime, but I'm not sure any other half decent manager would have won us the league. 

 

Ranieri changed us from 352 to 442. He ditched our incompetent full backs and brought in Fuchs and Simpson. He played to Vardy's strength. Took Mahrez from CAM to RW. Gave Albrighton a permanent role in the side. Ranieri IMO was tactically better than Pearson.

 

I do think Ranieri is lucky we took him on. His stock was so low and he was seen as a loser, so he should be thankful to LCFC as we should be to him.

[STUHILL]

7 minutes ago, sdb said:

Amazed so many people are running with this 'one person' behind the scenes. For me it was clearly and intentionally put out there by CR to take the spotlight off his awful decisions this season and to get people talking some more. By saying this no one is unfairly targeted but ranieri sounds like a hero too loyal to name names. 

 

The clear and honest truth is that a large proportion of players, staff, fans and probably the owners saw he needed to go. That's what happens when you lead a team to almost inevitable relegation. I love the guy but he's not stupid (tactically limited I suspect) and this was all very well (judging by the reaction) orchestrated to make him look the good guy.  

I don't imagine he would have fabricated that without an ounce of truth. I suspect you are right and there were many in the end that wanted him gone, but I imagine someone like Rudkin or similarly high up, would have had doubts long before he was sacked and pehaps that was well known around the place and that is who Claudio is referring too. He specifically mentioned this person was pushing even after they won the title, which would be a strange thing to lie about or even come up with if not true. 

 

I don't think Claudio should have mentioned it. I actually think it was partly said to take away the blame from the players but perhaps also to take the heat off himself too like you said. 

 

 

[NeilLCFC]

12 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Did you see the show where Ranieri changed us to 442, swapped the fullbacks, put Drinkwater in the team, took Mahrez from the centre and put him on the wing, made Vardy the main striker. Apart from that he didn't do a thing.

Do we know all that came from Ranieri himself? There's enough evidence to indicate otherwise. I find it hard to believe CR could come in and make such masterstrokes with a squad he didn't even know but could get it so wrong this season when he knew the team much better and authorised the signings of players that were added to it. 

 

Looking at how things worked out for him this season along with along with the fact that he was doing things his way and was isolating himself form the backroom team, it's no coincidence things went the way they did.

[sdb]

Just now, STUHILL said:

I don't imagine he would have fabricated that without an ounce of truth. I suspect you are right and there were many in the end that wanted him gone, but I imagine someone like Rudkin or similarly high up, would have had doubts long before he was sacked and pehaps that was well known around the place and that is who Claudio is referring too. He specifically mentioned this person was pushing even after they won the title, which would be a strange thing to lie about or even come up with if not true. 

 

I don't think Claudio should have mentioned it. I actually think it was partly said to take away the blame from the players but perhaps also to take the heat off himself too like you said. 

 

 

 

Yeah I do totally agree with you. I just think he whipped it into something very intentionally. I mean it's hardy a surprise that you get sacked because someone within the work place wants you gone. That's basically what a sacking is! But as you say he chose to publicise that narrative and to me it felt very calculated. 

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

You're right he did inherit a great infrastructure and set up build by the previous regime, but I'm not sure any other half decent manager would have won us the league. 

 

Ranieri changed us from 352 to 442. He ditched our incompetent full backs and brought in Fuchs and Simpson. He played to Vardy's strength. Took Mahrez from CAM to RW. Gave Albrighton a permanent role in the side. Ranieri IMO was tactically better than Pearson.

 

I do think Ranieri is lucky we took him on. His stock was so low and he was seen as a loser, so he should be thankful to LCFC as we should be to him.

I think it was a perfect blend of everything coming together just at the right time and every ingredient was essential to making it possible, including Claudio. 

 

The foundation was rock solid as said, the backroom staff were fantastic and the momentum and spirit was there. Claudio changed the formation and some players and should be commended for that. He also added his own passion and enthusiam and that rubbed off onto the players and they really bought into his fighting talk and dreaming big! 

 

I honestly don't think we would have got near to the title if it had been anyone else in charge. I also don't believe Claudio would have got us anywhere near if he hadn't had Pearson before and the backroom staff in place. 

 

Just as Claudio shouldn't take all the credit, he should also not be excluded from credit. Everyone played a huge part in our success.

[Corky]

31 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

Interested to know what contribution you think he made last season other than the dilly dongs

So why did we only win 4 out of 29 matches and struggled to score goals in 2014/15? Pearson knew the squad, had this backroom staff, why did it take him so long to get us going in that season?

[Webbo]

8 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

Do we know all that came from Ranieri himself? There's enough evidence to indicate otherwise. I find it hard to believe CR could come in and make such masterstrokes with a squad he didn't even know but could get it so wrong this season when he knew the team much better and authorised the signings of players that were added to it. 

 

Looking at how things worked out for him this season along with along with the fact that he was doing things his way and was isolating himself form the backroom team, it's no coincidence things went the way they did.

I would say that the fact that he was the manager means yes. Unless you're saying the manager has no say in picking the team, the formation and the tactics, in which case why is he getting the blame for our slide?

[STUHILL]

6 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

Do we know all that came from Ranieri himself? There's enough evidence to indicate otherwise. I find it hard to believe CR could come in and make such masterstrokes with a squad he didn't even know but could get it so wrong this season when he knew the team much better and authorised the signings of players that were added to it. 

 

Looking at how things worked out for him this season along with along with the fact that he was doing things his way and was isolating himself form the backroom team, it's no coincidence things went the way they did.

There is no way that Claudio wasn't the one that called for the change to 4-4-2 and to start with Okazaki over Ulloa and drop DeLaet etc. 

 

Shakey has been great but him changing/deciding the formation as well as which players to start/drop in the first month of Claudio's reign here? No chance. 

 

Claudio deserves credit for those decisions a smuch as he deserves to be criticised for the poor decisions he made this season. 

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

31 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Did you see the show where Ranieri changed us to 442, swapped the fullbacks, put Drinkwater in the team, took Mahrez from the centre and put him on the wing, made Vardy the main striker. Apart from that he didn't do a thing.

Because Nige never did any of those things 

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

4 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

There is no way that Claudio wasn't the one that called for the change to 4-4-2 and to start with Okazaki over Ulloa

Wrong. Shinji said in his autobiography that when he signed when Nige was still here Steve Walsh told him the plan was to use him as a withdrawn striker in a 4-4-1-1. @kushiro helpfully posted it in the Okazaki news thread.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Because Nige never did any of those things 

Nige played with wingbacks, put Mahrez in the middle and had Ulloa as the main striker.

 

Ulloa and Schlupp were 2 of the most criticised players on here but apparently Nige was a tactical genius for picking them now. 

[STUHILL]

Just now, Sharpe's Fox said:

Wrong. Shinji said in his autobiography that when he signed when Nige was still here Steve Walsh told him the plan was to use him as a withdrawn striker in a 4-4-1-1. @kushiro helpfully posted it in the Okazaki news thread.

So Steve was calling the shots? Claudio the assistant? 

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Nige played with wingbacks, put Mahrez in the middle and had Ulloa as the main striker.

 

Ulloa and Schlupp were 2 of the most criticised players on here but apparently Nige was a tactical genius for picking them now. 

For ten games. Conveniently forgetting the, what, 250 other games over 6 seasons.

 

Also when does a 3-5-2 mean playing with one striker?

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

1 minute ago, STUHILL said:

So Steve was calling the shots? Claudio the assistant? 

Pearson, Shakey and Walsh would have come to that idea together. They were a team. Unlike Claudio who ostrasizes you if things go sour.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

For ten games. Conveniently forgetting the, what, 250 other games over 6 seasons.

 

Also when does a 3-5-2 mean playing with one striker?

For the ten games where we saved our season. How did we get on before that? Whereabouts were we in the league?

[STUHILL]

Just now, Sharpe's Fox said:

Pearson, Shakey and Walsh would have come to that idea together. They were a team. Unlike Claudio who ostrasizes you if things go sour.

So you believe that Pearson in charge would have won the title? 

 

Think that is what some are suggesting. 

 

Do you attribute any credit to Claudio for our title success? 

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

For the ten games where we saved our season. How did we get on before that? Whereabouts were we in the league?

The performances were good. I think we would have got out even without the formation change. The turning point was the lucky breaks we got against West Ham and West Brom.

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

3 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

So you believe that Pearson in charge would have won the title? 

 

Think that is what some are suggesting. 

 

Do you attribute any credit to Claudio for our title success? 

Yeah why not. Would have won it by 15 points mate. 

[Webbo]

3 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

So you believe that Pearson in charge would have won the title? 

 

Think that is what some are suggesting. 

 

Do you attribute any credit to Claudio for our title success? 

Some people's Pearson obsession on here is ridiculous. I don't deny his part in our title but lets not pretend we'd be anything other than a bottom half team if he'd stayed.

[fuchsntf]

20 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I think it was a perfect blend of everything coming together just at the right time and every ingredient was essential to making it possible, including Claudio. 

 

The foundation was rock solid as said, the backroom staff were fantastic and the momentum and spirit was there. Claudio changed the formation and some players and should be commended for that. He also added his own passion and enthusiam and that rubbed off onto the players and they really bought into his fighting talk and dreaming big! 

 

I honestly don't think we would have got near to the title if it had been anyone else in charge. I also don't believe Claudio would have got us anywhere near if he hadn't had Pearson before and the backroom staff in place. 

 

Just as Claudio shouldn't take all the credit, he should also not be excluded from credit. Everyone played a huge part in our success.

Great last sentence...

[Webbo]

2 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

The performances were good. I think we would have got out even without the formation change. The turning point was the lucky breaks we got against West Ham and West Brom.

Well if we believe Ulloa's interview it was Cambiasso who changed things so he can't even take the credit for that.

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Yeah why not. Would have won it by 15 points mate. 

Well I wish he could have done it a year earlier, why make us wait the git and also put us through a god awful season until the final 9 games!

 

Done well since anyway... 

[STUHILL]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Some people's Pearson obsession on here is ridiculous. I don't deny his part in our title but lets not pretend we'd be anything other than a bottom half team if he'd stayed.

I'm hoping some is done tongue in cheek as no sane person could say Pearson would have won the title and Claudio played no part in our success 

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Well if we believe Ulloa's interview it was Cambiasso who changed things so he can't even take the credit for that.

Good on Nige for creating an atmosphere where opinions from other staff are valued and implemented. Unlike Claudio who goes against his players, recruitment team and dieticians.