match thread ranieri MNF

[HybridFox]

I do wonder who the "international player" that Ranieri wanted but turned us down was. Worked out well in the end with Kante anyway but just curious to know

[Out Foxed]

carragher is just mardy he never won a premier league and these players did. laughable.

[HybridFox]

2 minutes ago, Out Foxed said:

carragher is just mardy he never won a premier league and these players did. laughable.

Can just imagine the meltdown if we won the CL. He'd then be telling us we haven't won the FA Cup 

[yorkie1999]

25 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Must say I found that strange too..

In fact, thinking about it, Is it right that Carragher should be able to accuse the arsenal players of throwing the game? surely that's a bit of a libelous statement to come out with on live tv.

[theessexfox]

It baffles me that he thinks the Sevilla second half was the turning point, not his departure. Why wasn't Man City, a much better performance, a turning point then? But if that's how he'd like to rationalise it then fair enough. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

14 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

Anyone slagging this man off wants to hand in their memories from last year and walk away from the most glorious season we will all ever have 

 

he could batter my missus , steal my car , eat my horse and I'd still think he was the Messiah arrived to save our universe ! 

 

My love of Claudio knows no limits or boundaries ,

 

it's unconditional 

 

it always will be !!!!! 

This. 

[ZeGuy]

13 hours ago, foxhateram said:

If you read the Fuchs and Ulloa articles, both allude that our title winning season was down to belief and momentum instilled by the great escape. Ulloa even talks about changes happening in the second season that "Undid the things we won the league with."

Yes, but that wasn't my point.

[Guest Col city fan]

It was a bizarre programme. Some of Claudio's ideas, I just didn't understand. He never once appeared to accept that he got anything wrong either. He's a happy, amiable character and I love that, but I have more than once thought how on earth did we win the league like we did with him as manager? Last night kind of reinforced this question.

[ZeGuy]

12 hours ago, lgfualol said:

It's no coincidence Molla Wague joined just weeks before Ranieri got the boot. I think that's who he was talking about.

I swear I simply and completely forgot about him. Thanks for the reminder.

[kushiro]

So - a final summing up of the interview?

 

A barely comprehensible interviewee giving self-serving answers to poorly selected questions asked by an inarticulate interviewer, where both parties were united only by a mutual desire to maintain the pretense that the former could understand what the latter was saying.

[mozartfox]

May be Carragher will invite Brenden Rogers on to MNF next week to discuss how he was binned by Liverpool after 3 top 6/7 finishes in his 3 plus seasons at Anfield?

[Footballwipe]

For anyone who hasn't had the chance to see this:

 

Part I (Intro & Discussion)

Part II (Last season's analysis)

[HybridFox]

39 minutes ago, theessexfox said:

It baffles me that he thinks the Sevilla second half was the turning point, not his departure. Why wasn't Man City, a much better performance, a turning point then? But if that's how he'd like to rationalise it then fair enough. 

Also the fact this "turning point" came in February. Most other clubs would have sacked their managers by Christmas with that sort of form

[ZeGuy]

Sincerely don't understand him.

 

What's the point? Revenge? He knows there is a Champions League in two days. He just poses as a victim from treacherous maneuvers behind the curtains and refuses to take his own errors into account. For me he comes across as bitter no matter how "gentle" and "classy" he sugarcoats it. He couldn't prevent himself from tinkering, screwed up and paid for it. Period.

 

Stirring shit up just before the Champions League game ain't a good idea. Except for the rubberneckers.

[MC Prussian]

11 hours ago, TK95 said:

Such a w***** honestly

Well, yeah. The big twats are Paddy Power, though. Even if I can see a hint of irony in there, many people will take it verbatim.

So, blame them and blame Carragher for being such a tool.

[Guest ttfn]

1 hour ago, Out Foxed said:

carragher is just mardy he never won a premier league and these players did. laughable.

Most overrated English player of the last 20 years. Retired from England in a strop when he found himself behind actual world class centre backs like Ferdinand, Terry and Campbell.

[Alf Bentley]

38 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

Sincerely don't understand him.

 

What's the point? Revenge? He knows there is a Champions League in two days. He just poses as victim from treacherous maneuvers behind the curtains and refuse to take his own errors into account. For me he comes across as bitter no matter how "gentle" and "classy" he sugarcoats it. He couldn't prevent himself from tinkering, screwed up and paid for it. Period.

 

Stirring shit up just before the Champions League game ain't a good idea. Except for the rubberneckers.

 

This.

 

If he were really as nice a guy with as much respect for the club as his public image suggests, he would not have timed such revelations for 2 days before arguably the biggest match in the club's history. OK, so he acquitted the players of any "blame" for his dismissal, but he insinuated that some other unnamed person(s) schemed against him. Whether he meant Shakespeare or someone else, it clearly allows the media to speculate about Shakey's responsibility for the sacking - and they've already shown that they have a populist agenda, which appeals to viewers/readers with a superficial interest in LCFC or football: that nice guy Claudio was shafted by that despicable LCFC and devious elements within. If he wanted to make a public issue of any scheming that led to his downfall (and maybe it happened), then (a) he shouldn't have done so 2 days before a CL quarter-final; (b) subject to libel considerations, he should have named whoever he's accusing.

 

By definition, as manager he deserves enormous credit for the title win - even if some of that credit (and only some) is for not undoing the good work that Pearson had already done.

By definition, as manager he deserves enormous discredit for our collapse this season - even if some of that discredit is for failing to deal with problems caused by others (the players, Rudkin, whoever) or by situations (the demands of Europe).

 

Shame on him for stirring the shit at such a critical moment. Hopefully the squad and manager will be fully concentrated on the match and won't be distracted in the slightest - but Claudio loses some respect by the timing/nature of his comments.

[TAFKA Castroneves]

It's really difficult because I personally feel myself whenever people have asked me i've been very respectful about Claudio, aka i've allowed and endorsed him to take all the plaudits for the title victory - when honestly I do believe it was more down to the players and coaches behind the scenes - i made that adjustment out of respect to him as a person - and him popping up now like people have mentioned has made me question that if I have given him a bit too much credit actually

 

Oh well, all this talk of we're two days away from the Champs League - the reason why some of us keep harping on about Pearson so much is because he knew an us vs them mentality helped build his side into world beaters -

Don't worry about the timing it could prove perfect if we use it properly, the world vs leicester - we've done pretty well out of that so far with 5/6 wins

[fuchsntf]

9 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

This.

 

If he were really as nice a guy with as much respect for the club as his public image suggests, he would not have timed such revelations for 2 days before arguably the biggest match in the club's history. OK, so he acquitted the players of any "blame" for his dismissal, but he insinuated that some other unnamed person(s) schemed against him. Whether he meant Shakespeare or someone else, it clearly allows the media to speculate about Shakey's responsibility for the sacking - and they've already shown that they have a populist agenda, which appeals to viewers/readers with a superficial interest in LCFC or football: that nice guy Claudio was shafted by that despicable LCFC and devious elements within. If he wanted to make a public issue of any scheming that led to his downfall (and maybe it happened), then (a) he shouldn't have done so 2 days before a CL quarter-final; (b) subject to libel considerations, he should have named whoever he's accusing.

 

By definition, as manager he deserves enormous credit for the title win - even if some of that credit (and only some) is for not undoing the good work that Pearson had already done.

By definition, as manager he deserves enormous discredit for our collapse this season - even if some of that discredit is for failing to deal with problems caused by others (the players, Rudkin, whoever) or by situations (the demands of Europe).

 

Shame on him for stirring the shit at such a critical moment. Hopefully the squad and manager will be fully concentrated on the match and won't be distracted in the slightest - but Claudio loses some respect by the timing/nature of his comments.

Not thst I agree with you, but still another side, to the various opinions...

One thing that has often come across in this topic, how people fear the everyday workings of the media and timing

Of the interview.Then give single opinions comparing the dos and dont do it ,with Pearson Not giving any early interview.

All Leicester staff are paid hell of a lot of money, if they cant take the presure of media timing, then drop their wages to

a tenner a week...they Chose a proffesion that is  in the public eye.No that doesnt mean they  have to put up with

Every spitefull attack.....but MNF interviews aint one of them...

That said, I dont believe the staff really care, and players performances are not riding the back Of last night.

Its more a fear factor on a certain % of forum posters.

[filbertway]

Didn't really expect much more from him, performed superbly last year and the only thing that annoyed me was his insistence on maintaining lowly targets.

 

Pretty much everything he's done and said this season has been confusing or disappointing and he's carried that on last night.

[STUHILL]

Got a huge amount of respect for Claudio and loved his time here but I'm starting to realise that when you scratch the surface, there isn't that much underneath. 

 

I loved hearing his pre and post match interviews where he passionately talked about 'desire, fight and heart' but I imagine hearing that time and time again in the dressing room, would wear a bit thin after a while, especially when things were not going well. The players need more than a motivational speaker and I'm starting to doubt that he was able to get his ideas across clearly enough and there was a heavy reliance on Shakey and his team.

 

When you hear him in interviews, he comes across well and his english is sufficient but hearing him last night trying to explain tactics or even the basics of why Leicester were so successful, it was a real struggle and I wonder if that is why our players found it difficult, especially this season when changes were needed. I recall when he tried the diamond formation and our players looked completely lost and confused. 

 

I'm glad he has set the record straight with the players not being behind his sacking but it's a shame the conversation didn't end there, as going on to talk about people behind him that could have been pushing him out, has just stirred things up again. Personally, I don't believe it was Shakey, I think we are talking higher up. Maybe Rudkin but I don't really care. It was the right decision. 

 

I actually hope Claudio doesn't get another job in the Premier League. At the moment, he is still held in the highest regard and I'm concerned that if he returned, and didn't benefit from the foundation and momentum Leicester had, with another club, then he may struggle and the aura he built with Leicester would soon disappear. He actually has gotten off pretty lightly as I do believe he would have sent us down and by sacking him, he has kept much of his reputation and record with us in tact.  

 

Finally, the turning point was not the second half against Sevilla. It was the sacking. 

 

 

[Countryfox]

17 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

Anyone slagging this man off wants to hand in their memories from last year and walk away from the most glorious season we will all ever have 

 

he could batter my missus , steal my car , eat my horse and I'd still think he was the Messiah arrived to save our universe ! 

 

My love of Claudio knows no limits or boundaries ,

 

it's unconditional 

 

it always will be !!!!! 

 

Sorry Paddy but if he tried to batter my missus and steal my car I'd have to give him a slap.

 

I haven't got a horse.

[Countryfox]

1 hour ago, ZeGuy said:

Sincerely don't understand him.

 

What's the point? Revenge? He knows there is a Champions League in two days. He just poses as a victim from treacherous maneuvers behind the curtains and refuses to take his own errors into account. For me he comes across as bitter no matter how "gentle" and "classy" he sugarcoats it. He couldn't prevent himself from tinkering, screwed up and paid for it. Period.

 

Stirring shit up just before the Champions League game ain't a good idea. Except for the rubberneckers.

 

Spot on ...   saved me typing it.

[Gerard]

16 hours ago, davieG said:

He added: "I am very, very happy to see my players play in the system and in everything I taught them. They play the same. I think next season if the players remain the same they'll continue to play the same. Shakespeare was very, very intelligent to follow that way"

 

I doubt he'd be saying this about Shakey if it was him who was against him.

 

 

It probably is Rudkin.

 

Ranieri had just won the league so he could have got anyone he wanted out of the club apart from Rudkin or the owners.

 

If he was at loggerheads with Shaky he could have sacked him and no one would stop him.

[foxinyourbox]

Carragher knows an awful lot about throwing games, militant bunch these Scousers always calling for strike action where i work. It's the local mindset which unfortunately reflects in the state of their local economy.