match thread ranieri MNF

[KingsX]

If it was Rudkin, given the huge and immediate positive impact of the change, that will only cement whatever hold he has on the ears of ownership.  Just sayin' ...

[Webbo]

3 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

For anyone who hasn't had the chance to see this:

 

Part I (Intro & Discussion)

Part II (Last season's analysis)

I thought that was excellent, don't know what people are moaning about. Sometimes he struggled to get things across because of his poor English but I enjoyed his revelations. You'll never hear a bad word spoken about that man from me.

[NeilLCFC]

Pearson goes down a legend before Ranieri every single time in my books. For all those who speak about CR being so much more classy than Nige, just take a look at the way they've both handled being sacked.

 

CR is great at portraying a public image as an honourable man etc, so what was the purpose of his appearance on MNF a few days before we play in the CL? Fails to take any of the blame for what's happened this season, instead plays the victim and makes excuses such as loosing Kantè. Well there was no Kantè during the great escape and we still put together one of the best runs in Europe. Then the crap about the big money contracts making players loose focus or conveniently Sevilla being a turning point. Let's not forget the part where he talks about us playing his system - you what mate? The system we play came together during the great escape. It wasn't CR's system, they weren't his players and he sure as hell didn't build the team.

 

The longer I watched MNF, the more I realised my suspicions about CR having very little to do with us winning the title, were confirmed. The reality is that the league was won of the back of the amazing work put in under Nigel Pearson, As soon as CR moved away from this, and started doing things his own way, everything started to fall apart. Luckily the Pearson legacy has come to our rescue again.

 

THANK YOU SNAKE.

[STUHILL]

7 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

Pearson goes down a legend before Ranieri every single time in my books. For all those who speak about CR being so much more classy than Nige, just take a look at the way they've both handled being sacked.

 

CR is great at portraying a public image as an honourable man etc, so what was the purpose of his appearance on MNF a few days before we play in the CL? Fails to take any of the blame for what's happened this season, instead plays the victim and makes excuses such as loosing Kantè. Well there was no Kantè during the great escape and we still put together one of the best runs in Europe. Then the crap about the big money contracts making players loose focus or conveniently Sevilla being a turning point. Let's not forget the part where he talks about us playing his system - you what mate? The system we play came together during the great escape.

 

The longer I watched MNF, the more I realised my suspicions about CR having very little to do with us winning the title, were confirmed. The reality is that the league was won of the back of the amazing work put in under Nigel Pearson, As soon as CR moved away from this, and started doing things his own way, everything started to fall apart. Luckily the Pearson legacy has come to our rescue again.

 

THANK YOU SNAKE.

  Harsh

 

Think Nige kept quiet because he was paid off to be honest, but I agree that some things Claudio said were unneccesary last night. Overall, I thought he was OK though and I certainly will always think fondly of him but I stick by my point, I don't want him to get another job in the Prem, as I have a hunch it wouldn't go that well and I don't want the man tarnished anymore than he needs, as he is a true gent. 

[shiv]

1 minute ago, STUHILL said:

  Harsh

 

Think Nige kept quiet because he was paid off to be honest, but I agree that some things Claudio said were unneccesary last night. Overall, I thought he was OK though and I certainly will always think fondly of him but I stick by my point, I don't want him to get another job in the Prem, as I have a hunch it wouldn't go that well and I don't want the man tarnished anymore than he needs, as he is a true gent. 

Nige also signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement which prevented him from discussing the matter. 

[bovril]

Maybe Nigel kept quiet because he doesn't want to discuss his gormless, talentless son.

[richieboy]

Could the culprit be Steve Walsh, apparently it was him who pushed CR to sign Kante. SW left during the summer I think it was because he wanted to return to Liverpool, but who knows. Maybe Shakey could get him to return to LCFC IF DR was the reason for him leaving for Everton

[NeilLCFC]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

Maybe Nigel kept quiet because he doesn't want to discuss his gormless, talentless son.

He has spoken about us since being fired, whilst not directly about the sacking, but I didn't sense any sort of bitterness from him. If anything he seemed genuinely proud of the team that he put together.

[bovril]

Just now, NeilLCFC said:

He has spoken about us since being fired, whilst not directly about the sacking, but I didn't sense any sort of bitterness from him. If anything he seemed genuinely proud of the team that he put together.

Maybe. I think he assembled a great team and left a great legacy, I just don't agree with this whole 'honourable silence' thing when he was sacked for non-footballing reasons.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

No one has mentioned the culprits in this thread. Go deeper in the backroom staff, and no.....it's not Rudkin unfortunately.

[Wymsey]

8 minutes ago, richieboy said:

Could the culprit be Steve Walsh, apparently it was him who pushed CR to sign Kante. SW left during the summer I think it was because he wanted to return to Liverpool, but who knows. Maybe Shakey could get him to return to LCFC IF DR was the reason for him leaving for Everton

He said he left for Everton to be more closer to his family on a regular basis.

 

Walsh had a strong working relationship with Pearson (since Pearson first came), however it had appeared Ranieri didn't have much to do with him from when they first met when Ranieri was announced as manager. But Ranieri and Rudkin met more often and publicly.

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

29 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

Pearson goes down a legend before Ranieri every single time in my books. For all those who speak about CR being so much more classy than Nige, just take a look at the way they've both handled being sacked.

 

CR is great at portraying a public image as an honourable man etc, so what was the purpose of his appearance on MNF a few days before we play in the CL? Fails to take any of the blame for what's happened this season, instead plays the victim and makes excuses such as loosing Kantè. Well there was no Kantè during the great escape and we still put together one of the best runs in Europe. Then the crap about the big money contracts making players loose focus or conveniently Sevilla being a turning point. Let's not forget the part where he talks about us playing his system - you what mate? The system we play came together during the great escape. It wasn't CR's system, they weren't his players and he sure as hell didn't build the team.

 

The longer I watched MNF, the more I realised my suspicions about CR having very little to do with us winning the title, were confirmed. The reality is that the league was won of the back of the amazing work put in under Nigel Pearson, As soon as CR moved away from this, and started doing things his own way, everything started to fall apart. Luckily the Pearson legacy has come to our rescue again.

 

THANK YOU SNAKE.

PREACH

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

 

The one true king

[Koke]

4 hours ago, ttfn said:

Most overrated English player of the last 20 years. Retired from England in a strop when he found himself behind actual world class centre backs like Ferdinand, Terry and Campbell.

 

He was even behind sick note Ledley King who played on 1 leg most of his career. 

 

Carragher typified Liverpool's lack of success. If Liverpool were title winners like Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United in the 2000s they would have sold him to a club like Spurs. Carragher wouldn't be anywhere near the above mentioned teams in their prime.

[Bablemikey]

18 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

No one has mentioned the culprits in this thread. Go deeper in the backroom staff, and no.....it's not Rudkin unfortunately.

Can't you just say?

[Countryfox]

19 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

No one has mentioned the culprits in this thread. Go deeper in the backroom staff, and no.....it's not Rudkin unfortunately.

Well who is it ??? .....    spill ...

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

Well who is it ??? .....    spill ...

It's the kit man! I bloody knew it!

 

(it's almost certainly not the kit man)

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, Emilio Lestavez said:

It's the kit man! I bloody knew it!

 

(it's almost certainly not the kit man)

It was either the squirrel or the ostrich....

[Koke]

46 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

Pearson goes down a legend before Ranieri every single time in my books. For all those who speak about CR being so much more classy than Nige, just take a look at the way they've both handled being sacked.

 

CR is great at portraying a public image as an honourable man etc, so what was the purpose of his appearance on MNF a few days before we play in the CL? Fails to take any of the blame for what's happened this season, instead plays the victim and makes excuses such as loosing Kantè. Well there was no Kantè during the great escape and we still put together one of the best runs in Europe. Then the crap about the big money contracts making players loose focus or conveniently Sevilla being a turning point. Let's not forget the part where he talks about us playing his system - you what mate? The system we play came together during the great escape. It wasn't CR's system, they weren't his players and he sure as hell didn't build the team.

 

The longer I watched MNF, the more I realised my suspicions about CR having very little to do with us winning the title, were confirmed. The reality is that the league was won of the back of the amazing work put in under Nigel Pearson, As soon as CR moved away from this, and started doing things his own way, everything started to fall apart. Luckily the Pearson legacy has come to our rescue again.

 

THANK YOU SNAKE.

 

That's incredibly harsh.

 

Martin O'Neil achieved more success with us than Pearson, as did Ranieri. All 3 of those men are club legends but as much as I love Nigel he is 3rd on that list for me.

 

What you're basically saying is Fat Sam could have come into our club in 2015 and won us the title? You make it sound like all Ranieri did was turn up, say some silly things like pizza and dilly ding dilly dong, and piggy back off the previous regime's hard work.

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

28 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

No one has mentioned the culprits in this thread. Go deeper in the backroom staff, and no.....it's not Rudkin unfortunately.

So it WAS Doris the tea lady!!!

[NeilLCFC]

14 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

That's incredibly harsh.

 

Martin O'Neil achieved more success with us than Pearson, as did Ranieri. All 3 of those men are club legends but as much as I love Nigel he is 3rd on that list for me.

 

What you're basically saying is Fat Sam could have come into our club in 2015 and won us the title? You make it sound like all Ranieri did was turn up, say some silly things like pizza and dilly ding dilly dong, and piggy back off the previous regime's hard work.

That did make me laugh.

 

on a serious note, I believe the foundations laid by the previous regime were so strong, we'd have won the league as long as CS and SW were still here, and the direction the club was going in wasn't changed and that's exactly what I think Ranieri did last season.

 

The problems all started when he moved moved away from the work of the previous regime and went against the backroom team that had been he far longer than he had, it's almost as if he thought he'd won the league by himself. Reminded me of when Moyes went to Utd and got rid of Phelan etc and seemed to think the Man Utd name alone would win titles. 

 

Interested to know what contribution you think he made last season other than the dilly dongs

[Webbo]

4 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

 

 

Interested to know what contribution you think he made last season other than the dilly dongs

Did you see the show where Ranieri changed us to 442, swapped the fullbacks, put Drinkwater in the team, took Mahrez from the centre and put him on the wing, made Vardy the main striker. Apart from that he didn't do a thing.

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Did you see the show where Ranieri changed us to 442, swapped the fullbacks, put Drinkwater in the team, took Mahrez from the centre and put him on the wing, made Vardy the main striker. Apart from that he didn't do a thing.

Excellent.

[Charl91]

7 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Did you see the show where Ranieri changed us to 442, swapped the fullbacks, put Drinkwater in the team, took Mahrez from the centre and put him on the wing, made Vardy the main striker. Apart from that he didn't do a thing.

 

And brought Danny Simpson back from isolation, if I remember correctly.

[Corky]

So, if Claudio believes that the players were backing him, then we can say that the results were not good enough, performances weren't and something had to change. Like virtually every other team in the bottom six have done this season.

 

Silva has improved Hull, Clement initially at Swansea and Allardyce at Palace- we can include Shakespeare in this list and hopefully the hysteria won't build up again.