match thread ranieri MNF

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

23 hours ago, Matt said:

Right I can understand where people are coming from when speculating the unrest came from Shakey and I somewhat agree.

 

However anyone this it was possibly the phsycologist, Ken Way? Ranieri mention there were problems last season as well, as well as the lead up to this season, Ken Way was disposed of in the summer in quite a harsh and undignified fashion, perhaps this led to unrest between backroom staff and player mentality for this season.

 

Strange how Ken Way only spoke and got stories out after Ranieri's sacking aswell.

 

Hey i'm only speculating but I feel it could be a potential scenario.

not a chance

[NeilLCFC]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

For the ten games where we saved our season. How did we get on before that? Whereabouts were we in the league?

But we still finished 14th which is not at all bad for a newly promoted side. 

 

We would have finished no where near 14th this season if CR had been given the whole season, even after the £70m+ he spent.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, NeilLCFC said:

But we still finished 14th which is not at all bad for a newly promoted side. 

 

We would have finished no where near 14th this season if CR had been given the whole season, even after the £70m+ he spent.

Where did we finish last season?

[bovril]

I'm honestly amazed people care. We won. the. league. And people are disappointed that Nigel Pearson isn't getting enough credit. 

[polarbear]

1 hour ago, NeilLCFC said:

But we still finished 14th which is not at all bad for a newly promoted side. 

 

We would have finished no where near 14th this season if CR had been given the whole season, even after the £70m+ he spent.

I tend to hate it when ppl on this forum reply with a 'hello xyz' if someone staunchly defends an individual but seriously...'hello nigel'

 

nigel (you) didn't do press interviews after your sacking because:

 

gagging order 

embarrased about your son 

outside of the furore of the initial 2 weeks following your sacking no one outside of Leicester really cared so the interview offers weren't forthcoming 

 

anyway I'll always love what you did to evolve our club - you'll have that one over Claudio for me. However tactically you don't match up to Claudio. We might have had a decent season last year with you at the helm. Win the title however...no chance 

 

give the man his due...

[FireFox]

10 hours ago, Koke said:

I was disappointed they didn't ask CR about the Ulloa shenanigans on deadline day.

Probably was off limits, as it would make CR look bad for breaking his promise to Ulloa.

[MC Prussian]

1 hour ago, NeilLCFC said:

But we still finished 14th which is not at all bad for a newly promoted side. 

 

We would have finished no where near 14th this season if CR had been given the whole season, even after the £70m+ he spent.

Yeah, probably somewhere near the bottom.

[FireFox]

3 hours ago, Webbo said:

Did you see the show where Ranieri changed us to 442, swapped the fullbacks, put Drinkwater in the team, took Mahrez from the centre and put him on the wing, made Vardy the main striker. Apart from that he didn't do a thing.

 

3 hours ago, Koke said:

 

You're right he did inherit a great infrastructure and set up build by the previous regime, but I'm not sure any other half decent manager would have won us the league. 

 

Ranieri changed us from 352 to 442. He ditched our incompetent full backs and brought in Fuchs and Simpson. He played to Vardy's strength. Took Mahrez from CAM to RW. Gave Albrighton a permanent role in the side. Ranieri IMO was tactically better than Pearson.

 

I do think Ranieri is lucky we took him on. His stock was so low and he was seen as a loser, so he should be thankful to LCFC as we should be to him.

Nigel had us playing plenty of 442 before the great escape, we weren't necessarily going to keep with the 3412.

 

Vardy was always going to be the main striker after the great escape, regardless of formation.

 

Nigel brought in Fuchs, obviously with his experience to be first choice LB/LWB ahead of Schlupp. Don't know why it took Claudio so long to change it.

 

Albrighton had a "permanent role" in the great escape, no reason he wouldn't with Nigel or another manager after that. He had made sub appearances to the LW a few times previously to the great escape. Also, don't forget Claudio started the season against Sunderland with Mahrez LW, Albrighton RW for the first 20 minutes.

 

3 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Wrong. Shinji said in his autobiography that when he signed when Nige was still here Steve Walsh told him the plan was to use him as a withdrawn striker in a 4-4-1-1. @kushiro helpfully posted it in the Okazaki news thread.

 

[STUHILL]

3 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Good on Nige for creating an atmosphere where opinions from other staff are valued and implemented. Unlike Claudio who goes against his players, recruitment team and dieticians.

Thought you said that Claudio wasn't the one responsible for deciding on the 4-4-2 or which players to play in it and it was Walsh/Shakey? So did he value and implement their suggestions or was he responsible for picking the 4-4-2 and the players in it? Can't have both buddy. Pick the best one that fits your narrative. 

[Bluetintedspecs]

This is like the theories who Jack the Ripper was, nobody on here has a fkn clue but there's some interesting bollox,  wild speculation and outlandish bs....... brilliant

[Babylon]

4 hours ago, Webbo said:

Did you see the show where Ranieri changed us to 442, swapped the fullbacks, put Drinkwater in the team, took Mahrez from the centre and put him on the wing, made Vardy the main striker. Apart from that he didn't do a thing.

So he set us up like we were in the championship then? 

[STUHILL]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

So he set us up like we were in the championship then? 

Pretty much and it worked rather well too 

[smr]

Love the bloke. Didnt watch the programme from the start but watched the second half and post match stuff. Yes his English isnt great and sometimes he struggles to convey what he means very well but I dont care. Things just didnt go right for him this season whatever they were but i will always respect him massively. He managed Leicester City to the Premier League title and I remember staring at my Sporting Blue newspaper Leicester team photo posters on my bedroom wall at 8 or 9 years old feeling a bit sad that we'd never win the Premier League. Never in our wildest dreams did we think we could do what we achieved so for his management to that I'll always think of him fondly and only positively with nothing but respect. Grazi Claudio.

[Webbo]

17 minutes ago, Babylon said:

So he set us up like we were in the championship then? 

He set us up in such a way that we won the league.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

I'm sorry but did anyone have any respect left for him after that rubbish he spouted yesterday? 

 

all yesterday showed was we are very lucky to have got rid. Never seen someone so convince by their own sense of importance. 

 

[NeilLCFC]

3 hours ago, Webbo said:

Where did we finish last season?

As if last season was all down to Ranieri.

[Webbo]

5 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

As if last season was all down to Ranieri.

[Alf Bentley]

6 hours ago, Webbo said:

Did you see the show where Ranieri changed us to 442, swapped the fullbacks, put Drinkwater in the team, took Mahrez from the centre and put him on the wing, made Vardy the main striker. Apart from that he didn't do a thing.

 

Your point is spot on: Ranieri made important tactical changes that worked brilliantly and he deserves huge credit for that. Though without the arrival of Kante (& Okazaki, to a lesser extent) I doubt if that formation would have worked.

 

There's an odd near-symmetry between the 14-15 Pearson season and the 16-17 Ranieri (& Shakespeare) season:

- 14-15: Pearson spent too long trying to operate with 2 in central midfield when he didn't have the personnel to make it work (2 of Cambiasso, James, Drinky & King), then achieved a brilliant turnaround by changing formation

- 15-16: Ranieri realised that he DID have the personnel to make 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 work, with Kante as one of the central midfielders - and Okazaki more suited to shuttling between midfield and attack than either Nugent or Mahrez - > miracle achieved

- 16-17: Like Pearson, Ranieri spent too long trying to operate with 2 in central midfield when he didn't have the personnel to make it work (2 of Drinky, Amartey, King & Mendy)...4-4-2 only started to work again with Ndidi, Okazaki as a regular starter & Shakespeare as manager

 

I assume your point (a very good one) relates to Ranieri, not a Ranieri v. Pearson comparison. But it's worth mentioning that Pearson had previously made all the tactical deployments you mention (4-4-2/4-4-1-1, Simpson & Drinky in team, Mahrez out wide & Vardy as main striker - though the latter was mainly in the Championship, pre-Ulloa). Without Kante or Ndidi, he only succeeded at Premier level once he'd reshaped the team with 3 at the back and 3 in central midfield (mostly) during the Great Escape.

 

Ranieri deserves massive credit for last season's tactical decisions, as you've described them. Unfortunately, he also deserved his P45 for the mess he made of tactics this season (though this is an over-simplification - lots of factors, I'm sure).

[EnglishOxide]

3 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I'm sorry but did anyone have any respect left for him after that rubbish he spouted yesterday? 

 

all yesterday showed was we are very lucky to have got rid. Never seen someone so convince by their own sense of importance. 

 

 

 

I always had that sense that he saw us as small time. He's been at Roma, Valencia, Chelsea, etc. He probably saw himself as above us (although obviously not at the time he was desperate for a job).

 

And frankly, for this season setting the bar low again at 40pts after our previous couple of seasons is a disgrace and an insult. Then overruling our backroom staff who have overseen the growth of our club over multiple years because he thinks he knows better (how can little Leicester possibly have as good an infrastructure as Europe's elite?) shows what respect he had for them.

 

There's a whiff of arrogance, like he thinks he's better than us in some way, and we shouldn't be concerned at playing like shit and sinking to relegation because it's our natural level.

 

Some of that might be true, but it's like your girlfriend admitting she thinks you're ugly. Its hurtful even though you and everyone know it's true. But you hoped she saw you in a different light and thought more of you than that.

 

Clearly not in Claudio's case because he was saying nothing in interviews this season that resonated with the fans concerns. He was more in the 'i brought you the title last season, it's no problem, what do you expect?' train of thought. 

[Albert]

Dave Rennie = Snake 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

5 hours ago, Albert said:

Dave Rennie = Snake 

Now we're talking Albert. And Stowell.

[Babylon]

So the goalkeeping coach and the physio... and the press make out he was forced out by them.

[Koke]

6 hours ago, EnglishOxide said:

 

 

I always had that sense that he saw us as small time. He's been at Roma, Valencia, Chelsea, etc. He probably saw himself as above us (although obviously not at the time he was desperate for a job).

 

And frankly, for this season setting the bar low again at 40pts after our previous couple of seasons is a disgrace and an insult. Then overruling our backroom staff who have overseen the growth of our club over multiple years because he thinks he knows better (how can little Leicester possibly have as good an infrastructure as Europe's elite?) shows what respect he had for them.

 

There's a whiff of arrogance, like he thinks he's better than us in some way, and we shouldn't be concerned at playing like shit and sinking to relegation because it's our natural level.

 

Some of that might be true, but it's like your girlfriend admitting she thinks you're ugly. Its hurtful even though you and everyone know it's true. But you hoped she saw you in a different light and thought more of you than that.

 

Clearly not in Claudio's case because he was saying nothing in interviews this season that resonated with the fans concerns. He was more in the 'i brought you the title last season, it's no problem, what do you expect?' train of thought. 

 

I love CR but I somewhat agree. His 40 points mantra annoyed me to no end. Not even Eddie Howe and the Watford manager banged on about 40 points and they came up after us. We were league champions ffs and this guy was talking about reaching 40 points.

 

Ranieri has managed far bigger clubs than us so it's understandable he'd see is as small time. But the 40 points crap was patronising as ****. 

 

If we still had Ranieri and we stayed up he'd bang on about 40 points again in August. 

[waylander]

When shakes wins the league next season perhaps we can have Nigel and Claudio back for the celebrations . As they will have done more than him too win it . ?

[lgfualol]

6 hours ago, Albert said:

Dave Rennie = Snake 

Not surprising, he was the guy that liked a tweet about our failings.