General Election, June 8th

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Gotta be the gay question.

 

Cant wait for this.

Exactly my thought as well.

 

Closer Corbyn gets his fans seem to get more vocal, huge booing and shouting now in Basildon at a Times journalist who just asked him what sort of coalitions he would consider in the event of a hung parliament.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

Exactly my thought as well.

 

Closer Corbyn gets his fans seem to get more vocal, huge booing and shouting now in Basildon at a Times journalist who just asked him what sort of coalitions he would consider in the event of a hung parliament.

That element are an absolute embarrassment. Worst thing is they don't even realise the potential damage they're doing to the Labour vote in acting so hysterically.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Could be seeing a huge change in politics.

 

Tories taking  working class seats in the North and Midlands, Labour taking middle class seats in the South - could have long term implications.

I have doubts about this. Every time there's a surprise result or the polls are a bit out the media and establishment think there's a fundamental change but i tend to think they just misjudge the public mood on particular issues and then see it as a more fundamental shift that it really is.

[Captain...]

12 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

I thought the Tories would win a comfortable majority when the election was called but not the landslide that was predicted due to people begrudgingly backing Corbyn and Labour having fallen as far as they really could. Now I think it's highly likely the Tories make very little progress at all. A three figure majority is still possible but so is a hung parliament with more Tories. It all comes down to voter turnout. I've never known so many Tories to openly berate their own side. I'd not be shocked now to see Labour do actually quite well. I think May has upset a lot of Thatcherites and that is extremely dangerous. I think I'll predict a hung parliament, I just can't see why anyone would vote Tory. Even Webbo can't really make an argument.

The thing is she is upsetting people who would never vote for Corbyn whilst still appealing to the traditional Labour voters that switched to the Tories in the last election.

 

With UKIP now irrelevant and Lib Dems marginalised, who will the disaffected Thatcherites vote for if not May? She can afford to piss them off, she can't lose the thousands of voters that voted Tory for the first time 2 years ago.

[Guest MattP]

12 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

That element are an absolute embarrassment. Worst thing is they don't even realise the potential damage they're doing to the Labour vote in acting so hysterically.

Doesn't seem to be doing him any harm. More annoyingly it stopped us getting an answer to the question. 

 

It's very similar to watching a Donald Trump rally when you compare the behaviour of the crowds. Same rhetoric as well minus the immigrant tubthumping - big banks, rigged system, ordinary decent people etc 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, MattP said:

Doesn't seem to be doing him any harm. More annoyingly it stopped us getting an answer to the question. 

 

It's very similar to watching a Donald Trump rally when you compare the behaviour of the crowds. Same rhetoric as well minus the immigrant tubthumping - big banks, rigged system, ordinary decent people etc 

But yet it's may that holds hands with trump and corbyn that distances himself. 

[Nick]

12 minutes ago, MattP said:

Doesn't seem to be doing him any harm. More annoyingly it stopped us getting an answer to the question. 

 

It's very similar to watching a Donald Trump rally when you compare the behaviour of the crowds. Same rhetoric as well minus the immigrant tubthumping - big banks, rigged system, ordinary decent people etc 

Seriously Matt  GTFO!

 

You can compare crowd behaviours at different events such as protests, political gatherings or to view sport but likening Trump supporters and Corbyn supporters is just cheap and suits your rhetoric. We know you think they are a moronic cult - now your just trying to find more sly ways of attaching labels. #musttryharder!

[Realist Guy In The Room]

18 minutes ago, MattP said:

Doesn't seem to be doing him any harm. More annoyingly it stopped us getting an answer to the question. 

 

It's very similar to watching a Donald Trump rally when you compare the behaviour of the crowds. Same rhetoric as well minus the immigrant tubthumping - big banks, rigged system, ordinary decent people etc 

We all know the answer to the question and we also know there's no way he'd answer it in any circumstance.

 

 

[Guest MattP]

13 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Seriously Matt  GTFO!

 

You can compare crowd behaviours at different events such as protests, political gatherings or to view sport but likening Trump supporters and Corbyn supporters is just cheap and suits your rhetoric. We know you think they are a moronic cult - now your just trying to find more sly ways of attaching labels. #musttryharder!

Of course you can, they do behave very similar and as I said they only difference is you won't see anti-immigrant rhetoric at the Corbyn rally - the booing of journalists, accusations of mainstream media bias, hostility towards the bankers etc can been seen at both.

 

I don't expect you to allow yourself to see it for ome minute but it's there all right. 

 

I don't know why you are getting so upset at this, it wasn't a secret that Milne etc were going to re-brand him as a left wing populist at the start of the year, they have clearly done it well.

[Guest MattP]

23 minutes ago, toddybad said:

But yet it's may that holds hands with trump and corbyn that distances himself. 

Again, I wasn't comparing policy in anyway, just comparing the way supporters of both react to those on the outside of themselves. 

[Guest MattP]

17 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

We all know the answer to the question and we also know there's no way he'd answer it in any circumstance.

He should clarify it though shouldn't he?

 

People need to know if he's prepared to go into a coalition with the nationalists and what he would be prepared to offer them in order to get their support. 

 

Ask May the same question as well.

[RobHawk]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

He should clarify it though shouldn't he?

 

People need to know if he's prepared to go into a coalition with the nationalists and what he would be prepared to offer them in order to get their support. 

 

Ask May the same question as well.

I actually completely disagree with this! 

 

All political parties should be concentrating on winning seats - only when we know the outcome should any party be considering who they could work alongside. Its all hypothetical and realistically parties may or may not agree to comprimise on things and work together. 

A coalition isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it gives potential for more views to be considered at the top table! 

 

[Sharpe's Fox]

Edit; video didn't work for me 

[Nick]

12 minutes ago, MattP said:

Of course you can, they do behave very similar and as I said they only difference is you won't see anti-immigrant rhetoric at the Corbyn rally - the booing of journalists, accusations of mainstream media bias, hostility towards the bankers etc can been seen at both.

 

I don't expect you to allow yourself to see it for ome minute but it's there all right. 

 

I don't know why you are getting so upset at this, it wasn't a secret that Milne etc were going to re-brand him as a left wing populist at the start of the year, they have clearly done it well.

I'm not upset  I'm laughing at you and your manipulative and sly rhetoric! You take an example find a similarity of some sort and twist it to push your agenda.

 

Christ, if I'd have called Tory supporters morons and the Conservative party a cult and then said they have all the similarities politically of Trump supporters you'd be having a hissy fit and storming off as this would all be a waste of your time because you are all about the politics not stereotypical mud-slinging as it's beneath you!

 

You really are quite a card Matthew!

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Christ, if I'd have called Tory supporters morons and the Conservative party a cult and then said they have all the similarities politically of Trump supporters you'd be having a hissy fit and storming off as this would all be a waste of your time because you are all about the politics not stereotypical mud-slinging as it's beneath you!

Not really, I would just have pointed out that you were totally wrong as Tory supporters don't behave or have political similarities to Trump supporters.

 

Or I'd at least ask you to provide some evidence of it.

[LiberalFox]

55 minutes ago, Captain... said:

The thing is she is upsetting people who would never vote for Corbyn whilst still appealing to the traditional Labour voters that switched to the Tories in the last election.

 

With UKIP now irrelevant and Lib Dems marginalised, who will the disaffected Thatcherites vote for if not May? She can afford to piss them off, she can't lose the thousands of voters that voted Tory for the first time 2 years ago.

 

I think some of them may not vote. The yougov poll that indicates a hung parliament has a slight fall in the 55+ vote and a sharp increase in the 18-24 vote and I can believe that. I mean we've been bombarded with referendums and elections over the past few years so I reckon a lot of younger people might actually be politically engaged now. People really resent being asked to go and vote for someone just to keep out the other side. All voters like to feel they are voting FOR something even if it's a bit basic. "Sovereignty", "Control of our Borders" , "The chance to choose our own destiny", "£350Million for the NHS" etc. I can't see many old people charging down to the polls because the Sun says Jezza supports beheading. 

 

The only thing that could hurt Labour is the attacks over the last few years by their own side. Everyone expects the opposition to smear each other but he's been called anti-semitic, a rubbish leader, far-left entryist etc, and by people associated with Labour. 

[Nick]

Just now, MattP said:

Not really, I would just have pointed out that you were totally wrong as Tory supporters don't behave or have political similarities to Trump supporters.

 

Or I'd at least ask you to provide some evidence of it.

 

You maybe want to re-read some of your posts and then have some quiet time reflecting on the your own political similarities with Trump.

[Captain...]

24 minutes ago, RobHawk said:

I actually completely disagree with this! 

 

All political parties should be concentrating on winning seats - only when we know the outcome should any party be considering who they could work alongside. Its all hypothetical and realistically parties may or may not agree to comprimise on things and work together. 

A coalition isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it gives potential for more views to be considered at the top table! 

 

I agree, in fact I think any questions on coalitions should be banned until after the election. No party wants a coalition, and no party is going to commit to any sort of coalition because it is impossible to know what the terms of a coalition would be and which party/parties will have the seats needed to make a majority coalition. No party should be discussing terms or planning a coalition during an election campaign.

 

It is such a pointless question and a waste of everyone's time and just leads to mudslinging.

[Guest MattP]

21 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

You maybe want to re-read some of your posts and then have some quiet time reflecting on the your own political similarities with Trump.

As I said on the day of the election Nick, I couldn't vote for Donald Trump.

[Nick]

11 minutes ago, MattP said:

As I said on the day of the election Nick, I couldn't vote for Donald Trump.

Absolutely not - you're not American.

 

But that's not what I said now is it.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

He should clarify it though shouldn't he?

 

People need to know if he's prepared to go into a coalition with the nationalists and what he would be prepared to offer them in order to get their support. 

 

Ask May the same question as well.

Neither would ever directly say just before an election that they'd enter a coalition.

 

Massive vote loser.

[Foxxed]

The Tories can mess up the election all they like - they're still going to win.

 

For one reason: UKIP tactically standing down to give Tories votes.

 

There are many, many, many more like this.

 

UKIP's tactical voting will be far superior to anyone else's I suspect.

 

 

 

[theessexfox]

Farron has lost my vote, I reckon. Shocking.

[Jimothy]

Don't know why @MattP gets so excited about Neil's interviewing technique, he just drowns out the answer and tries to make it look like he's pushing when actually all he's doing is talking over the answer. Not a Lib dem fan, I'm indifferent to Farron, but for god sake let the man answer or what's the point in interviewing him.

[Captain...]

Did they turn his microphone down? 

 

This is is horrendous so far both coming across as belligerent boorish egotists.