Foxxed Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: The ft has come out for the tories. Lol, it actually takes quite some effort to find the article in favour of the Tories as 'the safer option'. On the top of my app, however, I have the headline "The Brexit election that leaves Britain the loser"
Guest MattP Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 10 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: I'm not getting optimistic until I see a run of similar polls from the North and Midlands. I reckon it's quite likely that Labour could take a few seats in London and the South, yet lose a stack more in the North and Midlands, giving the Tories an increased majority (50-100?), particularly if they pick up a few from the SNP. If the result is at the lower end of that (50 majority or less), the main winners could be the Tory Right as May might be more vulnerable to pressure to take a hard line over Brexit. It would probably also be enough to consolidate Corbyn's power over the Labour Party.....not sure that's a good thing in the long run. Could be seeing a huge change in politics. Tories taking working class seats in the North and Midlands, Labour taking middle class seats in the South - could have long term implications.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 1 hour ago, MattP said: But Comres still gives Corbyn no chance. Which in itself makes the conspiracy a bit odd.
LiberalFox Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 16 minutes ago, toddybad said: The ft has come out for the tories. 18 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I bet the Financial Times doesn't support the Tories either. The Economist and Financial Times are, for the most part, great publications but I doubt they will sway it much. They didn't really come out for the Tories, they went on a tirade against Corbyn.
StanSP Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 2 hours ago, Innovindil said: Foxestalk has become infected with lib dems adverts! ads show up based on your own search history or what else you've been looking at on the internet
Guest MattP Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 5 minutes ago, StanSP said: ads show up based on your own search history or what else you've been looking at on the internet Or WiFi you have used. I always get the Montcalm Hotel ads in almost every thread.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 6 minutes ago, MattP said: Or WiFi you have used. I always get the Montcalm Hotel ads in almost every thread. I'm always getting something to do with Russian brides??
Rincewind Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 I don't understand this left and right wing. Maybe people actually are fed up with the same type of politics we have had for the past 40 years and actually like some of the Labour policies. I don't believe there is a bias towards Labour either. has no one noticed the personal smears Corbyn has received? I don't see anything in what May says that will improve the lives of nurses junior doctors and those on low income and after seven years in power I am inclined not to believe if they did. It will be more of the same. But saying that if there was a box on the ballot paper with 'None of the Above' it would be a clear winner. The politicians know this so no government will ever bring it in. I'm bored with it all and don't think it will make any difference to my life whoever is in power. They are all rubbish.
Lionator Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 34 minutes ago, MattP said: Could be seeing a huge change in politics. Tories taking working class seats in the North and Midlands, Labour taking middle class seats in the South - could have long term implications. The working class towns think that Jonny Foreigner/the EU are taking their jobs. The middle class think that the government are dismantling the country at its roots. 46 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I was reading about the young vote earlier - how it will probably not help Labour that much. Young voters are university are already in Lib Dem or Labour seats if they've registered to vote in their new home. And when they go to work in cities they're already in Labour seats again. It'll only work with young voters not at university who are in rural constituencies. The young vote will do nothing apart from protect existing Labour seats I suspect - even if they do come out and vote. This shows why we need a better voting system.
ramboacdc Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 The Conservative lead has fallen to a campaign low of three points in the latest YouGov poll for The Times. The poll, conducted over the past two days, puts the Conservatives on 42 per cent, down one point since the end of last week, and the lowest level since early April, before Theresa May called the general election. With a week to go until voting, Labour scored its highest poll result since February 2014: 39 per cent, up three. The Lib Dems were on 7 per cent, down two points and Ukip on 4 per cent.
Innovindil Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 35 minutes ago, StanSP said: ads show up based on your own search history or what else you've been looking at on the internet Well I'm on my mobile at work, so every ad should have at least a semi-naked woman on it. No such luck so far though.
Rincewind Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Isn't a little ironic that the Mail is accusing the BBC of bias? Toys pram out throw.
LiberalFox Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 I feel like "working class" has become a politically correct term for people who are a little bit thick, disengaged from politics and quite reactionary.
Jon the Hat Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 1 hour ago, Foxxed said: I bet the Financial Times doesn't support the Tories either. The Economist and Financial Times are, for the most part, great publications but I doubt they will sway it much. The FT already came out for the Tories, so bad bet. https://www.ft.com/content/67949e4a-45e2-11e7-8d27-59b4dd6296b8
Guest MattP Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Andrew Neil says his interview with Tim Farron gets a bit touchy tonight, looking forward to it. Might be the final nail in the coffin of the Lib Dems.
ousefox Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 1 hour ago, Foxxed said: I was reading about the young vote earlier - how it will probably not help Labour that much. Young voters are university are already in Lib Dem or Labour seats if they've registered to vote in their new home. And when they go to work in cities they're already in Labour seats again. It'll only work with young voters not at university who are in rural constituencies. The young vote will do nothing apart from protect existing Labour seats I suspect - even if they do come out and vote. I don't know how much of a difference it will make, but most people will have gone back home from university by the 8th June. I think you can also choose where to vote.
Guest Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: I'm not getting optimistic until I see a run of similar polls from the North and Midlands. I reckon it's quite likely that Labour could take a few seats in London and the South, yet lose a stack more in the North and Midlands, giving the Tories an increased majority (50-100?), particularly if they pick up a few from the SNP. If the result is at the lower end of that (50 majority or less), the main winners could be the Tory Right as May might be more vulnerable to pressure to take a hard line over Brexit. It would probably also be enough to consolidate Corbyn's power over the Labour Party.....not sure that's a good thing in the long run. Opinion polls are not trust worthy, they rarely get it right. Personally I think it's a media game to make the 'race' more interesting. It doesn't make good news if the tories are 70/80% lead. I'm not sure who I will vote for but I feel the conservatives will win and comfortably. There are A LOT of hidden conservative supporters who don't reveal they are, and bitch about them, but then vote for them
ousefox Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Does anybody have any predictions for next week then? I feel like I don't know whether it is easy to call or not. Some polls showing a narrow margin, others have the Tories well ahead. The bookies still seem to show labour getting a battering as expected before the campaigning. It's so hard to get an understanding of the general feeling. In York I've seen more labour posters than ever before. I've spoken to several die hard Tories who can't vote for their manifesto and one who will even vote for Corbyn. Then I see on the news people voting Tory for the first time in their lives because they can't vote for Corbyn. If I had to make a prediction I'd probably go Tories increasing their majority by less than 50 seats. I certainly wouldn't put money on it though.
Guest MattP Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 1 minute ago, Watson said: Does anybody have any predictions for next week then? I feel like I don't know whether it is easy to call or not. Some polls showing a narrow margin, others have the Tories well ahead. The bookies still seem to show labour getting a battering as expected before the campaigning. It's so hard to get an understanding of the general feeling. In York I've seen more labour posters than ever before. I've spoken to several die hard Tories who can't vote for their manifesto and one who will even vote for Corbyn. Then I see on the news people voting Tory for the first time in their lives because they can't vote for Corbyn. If I had to make a prediction I'd probably go Tories increasing their majority by less than 50 seats. I certainly wouldn't put money on it though. If the election was tomorrow. Conservative majority of 40.
Guest Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 1 minute ago, Watson said: Does anybody have any predictions for next week then? I feel like I don't know whether it is easy to call or not. Some polls showing a narrow margin, others have the Tories well ahead. The bookies still seem to show labour getting a battering as expected before the campaigning. It's so hard to get an understanding of the general feeling. In York I've seen more labour posters than ever before. I've spoken to several die hard Tories who can't vote for their manifesto and one who will even vote for Corbyn. Then I see on the news people voting Tory for the first time in their lives because they can't vote for Corbyn. If I had to make a prediction I'd probably go Tories increasing their majority by less than 50 seats. I certainly wouldn't put money on it though. Liberal Democrats will gain seats, UKIP will be banished, Labour will lose seats, tories will white wash is my prediction.
Guest Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 Just now, Soundman said: Liberal Democrats will gain seats, UKIP will be banished, Labour will lose seats, tories will white wash is my prediction. Pretty much the same as locals.
Alf Bentley Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 I'd currently go with a Tory majority of about 60 (was expecting 150+ before the election): - Lab to win about 5 Tory seats in London/South/big cities - Con to win about 25 Lab seats in North/Midlands (outside big cities) - Con to win about 5 SNP seats in Scotland - Lib Dems to stay about the same, winning 2-3 and losing 2-3 - Greens 1, UKIP 0, little change in Wales However, I'd guess that there are a lot more people unsure how or whether they're going to vote this time. Plenty of time for the Tories to still get a majority of over 100 or to lose their majority (less likely) Lab need to get media coverage back onto issues like social care, NHS & pensions in the closing days. Tories will doubtless target leadership with attacks on Corbyn compared to Theresa's "safe pair of hands"
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 45 minutes ago, MattP said: Andrew Neil says his interview with Tim Farron gets a bit touchy tonight, looking forward to it. Might be the final nail in the coffin of the Lib Dems. Gotta be the gay question. Cant wait for this.
LiberalFox Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 I thought the Tories would win a comfortable majority when the election was called but not the landslide that was predicted due to people begrudgingly backing Corbyn and Labour having fallen as far as they really could. Now I think it's highly likely the Tories make very little progress at all. A three figure majority is still possible but so is a hung parliament with more Tories. It all comes down to voter turnout. I've never known so many Tories to openly berate their own side. I'd not be shocked now to see Labour do actually quite well. I think May has upset a lot of Thatcherites and that is extremely dangerous. I think I'll predict a hung parliament, I just can't see why anyone would vote Tory. Even Webbo can't really make an argument.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 1 June 2017 Posted 1 June 2017 37 minutes ago, MattP said: If the election was tomorrow. Conservative majority of 40. I reckon this is about right.
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