Guest Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 I'm not suggesting that the above is legit (i have no idea), just that it's a pretty effective line to put the tories on the back foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 Really very damning https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/867664282779090944?s=09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 Unless there's a direct link between cuts and the event itself then it's not really damning, I don't think we'll know the details until after the election and besides, does anyone think Dianne Abbot would sort it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 35 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: Unless there's a direct link between cuts and the event itself then it's not really damning, I don't think we'll know the details until after the election and besides, does anyone think Dianne Abbot would sort it out? Its a tricky one. The people actually doing the job told her this was a possibility and whilst you'll never be able to link it directly, she was told, she ignored it, attacks have happened. Abbot might just be rubbish at speaking and communicating but decent at all other facets of the job. So do we go with the former or the latter? Its no wonder the polls are getting closer. People just arent sure now they have an actual clear political choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 Parts of her speech calling the police reactionary and the police response to her risking safety are in the follow ups. TM took huge risks with policing and security in order to comply with the Tory austerity measures. She played the politician by defending the cuts and calling the police reactionary when they highlighted concerns. She should reap what she has sown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 1 hour ago, toddybad said: I'm not suggesting that the above is legit (i have no idea), just that it's a pretty effective line to put the tories on the back foot Even if it was true, what good is an explosive sniffer dog for a suicide bomb attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 59 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Its a tricky one. The people actually doing the job told her this was a possibility and whilst you'll never be able to link it directly, she was told, she ignored it, attacks have happened. Abbot might just be rubbish at speaking and communicating but decent at all other facets of the job. So do we go with the former or the latter? Its no wonder the polls are getting closer. People just arent sure now they have an actual clear political choice. I'm actually struggling to think of much of her job that doesn't involve that, and she doesn't come across as particularly intelligent either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 Firstly, some qualifiers: it's the Indy so YMMV and also we have no idea if the nonrenewable energy companies are slipping the other parties cash too and getting support for oil and gas in return. But all the same... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/conservatives-oil-bosses-party-donations-fossil-fuels-climate-change-ayman-asfari-petrofac-serious-a7751521.html Not the best policy for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 12 minutes ago, MattP said: Even if it was true, what good is an explosive sniffer dog for a suicide bomb attack? That isn't the point -the point is that May is susceptible to attack on this issue. Better to look at the video and the two videos put up by the same poster straight afterwards. This isn't the same as me saying that May will lose a battle over security in the eyes of the electorate btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 10 minutes ago, MattP said: Even if it was true, what good is an explosive sniffer dog for a suicide bomb attack? For identifying minute traces of explosives left in the bomb factory where it was made? Or traces left on a suspect's clothing? Or traces left in a vehicle that transported explosives? Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 30 minutes ago, MattP said: Even if it was true, what good is an explosive sniffer dog for a suicide bomb attack? Probably quite useful. I assumed it was implied the dog might have been useful to prevent the attack/future attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 I'm pretty sure the police had more than 6 dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 14 minutes ago, Buce said: For identifying minute traces of explosives left in the bomb factory where it was made? Or traces left on a suspect's clothing? Or traces left in a vehicle that transported explosives? Etc. Pretty sure that will still happen, I'm sure they weren't the only six sniffer dogs in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 Anymore of this and I'll run out of Jezza gifs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 6 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Anymore of this and I'll run out of Jezza gifs Wow! I'm not getting excited as he's still a long way behind but he's due to make a speech tomorrow, which if he gets right, could really convince a few others that a change of direction is needed in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 7 minutes ago, Lionator said: Wow! I'm not getting excited as he's still a long way behind but he's due to make a speech tomorrow, which if he gets right, could really convince a few others that a change of direction is needed in this country. Spot on mate. Opposition to Libya, opposition to Iraq. Basically music to the ears of the electorate. Added to this that any "terrorist sympathiser" talk by the Tories will look like using a massacre for their own ends. Everything's coming up Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 If he makes that speech, I think it'll bury him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 7 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: If he makes that speech, I think it'll bury him. People have been digging graves for Corbyn for two years. Literally everything he does defies logic. Politics is just great banter right now, it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 16 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Spot on mate. Opposition to Libya, opposition to Iraq. Basically music to the ears of the electorate. Added to this that any "terrorist sympathiser" talk by the Tories will look like using a massacre for their own ends. Everything's coming up Corbyn. If those polls are accurate then the Conservative's would have a majority of 18. Is there time to take another 18 seats to prevent that majority, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Lionator said: If those polls are accurate then the Conservative's would have a majority of 18. Is there time to take another 18 seats to prevent that majority, who knows? Corbyn can't win. It's an electoral impossibility. 18 seat majority is still a "loss" for The Theresa May Party of Theresa May ft. Theresa May's Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 Just now, Sharpe's Fox said: Corbyn can't win. It's an electoral impossibility. 18 seat majority is still a "loss" for The Theresa May Party of Theresa May ft. Theresa May's Team Those polls were an impossibility only a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 3 minutes ago, Lionator said: Those polls were an impossibility only a month ago. Labour need a projected 49% of the vote in England to win a majority since Scottish politics went mental. That isn't possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 4 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Labour need a projected 49% of the vote in England to win a majority since Scottish politics went mental. That isn't possible. Fair enough, I take it the SNP wouldn't back Labour up if it ended up as a hung parliament? Would be a massive failure for May if her majority did get eaten into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 32 minutes ago, Lionator said: Wow! I'm not getting excited as he's still a long way behind but he's due to make a speech tomorrow, which if he gets right, could really convince a few others that a change of direction is needed in this country. He's going to blame the Manchester attacks on May by the sounds of it, high risk strategy to say the least. My God, this could actually happen, Diane Abbott could be in charge of the nation's security in a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 25 May 2017 Share Posted 25 May 2017 3 minutes ago, MattP said: He's going to blame the Manchester attacks on May by the sounds of it, high risk strategy to say the least. My God, this could actually happen, Diane Abbott could be in charge of the nation's security in a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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