GaelicFox Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 It’s now very clear the Irish Border is now the major Stumbling block for Brexit ! Hard Brexit is virtually impossible in Northern Ireland , legally and morally , Infact it’s impossible to secure a border in ireland the good friday agreement also makes it impossible to have a hard border looks like once again the Irish are preventing the break up of the EU
The Guvnor Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 4 hours ago, toddybad said: The thing I find bizarre is the idea that £xbillion is too much. Given that the amount should be based on what is owed and none of us know that I don't understand the idea that £20b is okay but £40b is too much. For all the talk of remoaners and mutuneers, I genuinely think those that seek support for hard Brexit through lies and subterfuge should be up for treason. I wouldn't profess to have any idea what a divorce bill should be, however it has been reported that despite being a 12% contributor during our membership , the EU have insisted we are not entitled to any of the ammased assets , financial, buildings, fine art, and a sumptious wine cellar, yet they are insistent that we pay a sizeable divorce bill. Surely if the EU say assets belong solely to Brussels then how come their liabilities do not ?
foxinexile Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 15 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: I wouldn't profess to have any idea what a divorce bill should be, however it has been reported that despite being a 12% contributor during our membership , the EU have insisted we are not entitled to any of the ammased assets , financial, buildings, fine art, and a sumptious wine cellar, yet they are insistent that we pay a sizeable divorce bill. Surely if the EU say assets belong solely to Brussels then how come their liabilities do not ? I think the whole issue of the "divorce bill" demonstrates the complexities of not only reaching an agreement over this, but leaving the EU as a whole. The range of areas this bill encompasses is near to mind-boggling (something I'm sure many will be quick to say demonstrates an example of EU bureaucracy!). It includes everything from the relocation of the European Banking Authority and European Medicines Agency out of London to the seconding of British teachers to European schools which has been funded to 2021 (taking in things such as the decommissioning of Joint Research Centre nuclear sites along the way!). The UK could come back and say we're entitled to money we would have got from the EU budget, rebate credits and shares of various assets including buildings and a share of capital from the European Investment Bank. Again though, the complexity of this is enormous. It cannot be resolved in two years (or sixteen months as it is now). I could easily see this issue taking the best part of a decade to be resolved - if it ever fully is. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the end, it ends up in the International Court of Justice or the Permanent Court of Arbitration (which I'm sure both the Mail and Express would be quick to point out are located in The Hague!). The Lords' (for what it's worth) Financial Affairs Committee has outlined this as a possible scenario and maybe it's pessimistic to anticipate it's a likely outcome, but on the plus it might be the best way reach a resolution. Either way, it does put into perspective the nonsense that those who say we can just "walk away" talk. We need to drop that particular bravado. Whether we like it or not, the reality is that walking away is not an option. 1
Guest Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 How does everybody feel about another 12,000 army jobs being lost (on top of the 20,000 military jobs lost already) and the police being shrunk to its smallest size since the 70s? I'm assuming this is good but I probably need fox to explain why. Labour still definitely have to invest in extra police if they're going to fill those gulags!
Webbo Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: How does everybody feel about another 12,000 army jobs being lost (on top of the 20,000 military jobs lost already) and the police being shrunk to its smallest size since the 70s? I'm assuming this is good but I probably need fox to explain why. Labour still definitely have to invest in extra police if they're going to fill those gulags!
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 11 minutes ago, toddybad said: How does everybody feel about another 12,000 army jobs being lost (on top of the 20,000 military jobs lost already) and the police being shrunk to its smallest size since the 70s? I'm assuming this is good but I probably need fox to explain why. Labour still definitely have to invest in extra police if they're going to fill those gulags! Couldn’t give a shit to be honest. Until anything bites me in the arse I tend to just ignore it.
Izzy Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: How does everybody feel about another 12,000 army jobs being lost (on top of the 20,000 military jobs lost already) and the police being shrunk to its smallest size since the 70s? I'm assuming this is good but I probably need fox to explain why. Labour still definitely have to invest in extra police if they're going to fill those gulags! I don't know the numbers but all I know is that every time there seems to be an 'incident' these days (especially in London) the police are all over it like a rash in seconds. They may well be stretched I don't know, but personally I've never felt safer and more protected by our boys in blue...
Guest Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 33 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I don't know the numbers but all I know is that every time there seems to be an 'incident' these days (especially in London) the police are all over it like a rash in seconds. They may well be stretched I don't know, but personally I've never felt safer and more protected by our boys in blue... Outside London is rather more of a problem http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-unable-respond-thousands-crime-13131301 37 minutes ago, Webbo said: I didn't ask how Jeremy Corbyn felt. I assume you don't like the idea but posting this felt better than saying anything vaguely anti tory?
Webbo Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Outside London is rather more of a problem http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-unable-respond-thousands-crime-13131301 I didn't ask how Jeremy Corbyn felt. I assume you don't like the idea but posting this felt better than saying anything vaguely anti tory? I'd prefer it if there weren't any cuts but I realise there isn't a magic money tree. 1
Strokes Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: I'd prefer it if there weren't any cuts but I realise there isn't a magic money tree. It wouldn’t cost a lot for more police though webbo, you can get 10,000 for £300,000. 2 1
Jon the Hat Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 How on earth are the govt supposed to define how the Irish border will work before we know what it will have to protect? Another case of deliberate blocking of an agreement by Brussels. Utter nonsense. 1
Izzy Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 28 minutes ago, toddybad said: Outside London is rather more of a problem http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-unable-respond-thousands-crime-13131301 Maybe in Birmingham/West Mids, but not where I live here in Buckinghamshire. Overall crime in the Thames Valley region still remains low compared to five and ten years ago despite improvements in reporting and compliance procedures. I guess it varies across the UK depending on where you live. But like Webbo says, where does the money come from for extra officers?
Guest Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 32 minutes ago, Webbo said: I'd prefer it if there weren't any cuts but I realise there isn't a magic money tree. Hammond just budgeted to borrow an additional £90bil yet paid the dup a billion for their votes.
Guest Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 4 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Maybe in Birmingham/West Mids, but not where I live here in Buckinghamshire. Overall crime in the Thames Valley region still remains low compared to five and ten years ago despite improvements in reporting and compliance procedures. I guess it varies across the UK depending on where you live. But like Webbo says, where does the money come from for extra officers? You know before the financial crisis, when the country had been growing rapidly and people were getting richer, where did out come from then? And the deficit then was at a sensible level before you try that tack. A government having to rip apart public services is not a government that are succeeding economically.
Webbo Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Hammond just budgeted to borrow an additional £90bil yet paid the dup a billion for their votes. So what would you rather they cut?
Strokes Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Hammond just budgeted to borrow an additional £90bil I thought you wanted more borrowing, are you ever happy toddy?
Strokes Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: You know before the financial crisis, when the country had been growing rapidly and people were getting richer, where did out come from then? And the deficit then was at a sensible level before you try that tack. A government having to rip apart public services is not a government that are succeeding economically. If labour hadn’t bloated public services, they wouldn’t have needed cutting. Why were they running a deficit during a boom? it’s much bigger when you take in all the pfi contracts they used to disguise it, saddling the next government with the bill. Edited 26 November 2017 by Strokes
Izzy Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: I thought you wanted more borrowing, are you ever happy toddy? Nope. Well maybe, yes actually. I think nothing gives Toddy more happiness in life than coming on here and constantly having a dig at the government Some people are just never happy unless they're always moaning I guess..
Strokes Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 4 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Some people are just never happy unless they're always moaning I guess.. We are amongst Leicester fans, so I guess that’s to be expected 1
bovril Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 20 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: Nope. Well maybe, yes actually. I think nothing gives Toddy more happiness in life than coming on here and constantly having a dig at the government Some people are just never happy unless they're always moaning I guess.. I'd like to meet Toddy in real life. We should organise an FT question time down the pub. 1
Izzy Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 Just now, bovril said: I'd like to meet Toddy in real life. We should organise an FT question time down the pub. We'd need someone impartial and sensible to be the host - maybe Alf? I'd like to meet Toddy too. I'm sure he's a really nice bloke in 'real' life....
Webbo Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 3 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Sorry? What's your point?
Rogstanley Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 6 minutes ago, Webbo said: Sorry? What's your point? Fields of wheat. What was yours?
Webbo Posted 26 November 2017 Posted 26 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Fields of wheat. What was yours? Well we were talking about defence cuts and I showed JC saying defence cuts were a good idea. Just seemed kinda relevant.
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