Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/05/jeremy-corbyn-young-people-brexit-radical-change Opinion Dear Jeremy Corbyn, young people need your help to halt Brexit Femi Oluwole Dear Jeremy, our generation is set to receive the worst inheritance in peacetime history. The NHS limps from crisis to crisis. The housing market excludes us further each day: in the 1990s, over half of 25-34s owned a home – today barely a quarter do. We might be regarded as the generation to go to university in record numbers, but we do so at the cost of an average £50,000 of debt. And still graduates are luckier than the 790,000 young people not in education, employment or training. We live in a capitalist economy without capital. It is no wonder that over one in five young people now think that, no matter how hard they try, their life will amount to nothing. In understanding this crisis of optimism, you have given hope to many. But understanding this is pointless if Brexit goes ahead. It is by far the worst aspect of our inheritance. It will make us much poorer, cut us off from our closest friends and leave us unable to address problems that require international cooperation to solve – such as climate change and rampant inequality. It will deny us opportunities and deprive us of the right to live, work, and love anywhere in Europe. It will rob us of the internationally engaged Britain that we know we want. These are just a few of the reasons why 75% of young people voted to remain. In the 2017 election, your surge in support mainly came from those who are angry about what is happening to Britain. This extends beyond young people – anyone under the age of 50 tended to support remain in 2016 and then Labour in 2017. The reason for this surge is because we are our angry about our future. Like you, we are appalled by the problems our society faces. But leaving the EU will only exacerbate these issues. The Bank of England tells us that, because of Brexit, we will be £200m a week poorer this year. This is money that should have been channelled into fixing hospitals, schools, and prisons which warrant our urgent attention, and yet receive less by the day. It is hopeless to fight for the radical change society needs while supporting a Brexit that will leave us unable to deliver it. Jeremy, you should remember that there will be a time when our generation ages. We will soon confront the reality of what we have been left, and if we do not like it we will simply reverse it. If it is a soft Brexit, which represents nothing but a minor loss of sovereignty, then we will return to our seat at the table. If it is a hard Brexit, we will be so furious with the wanton destruction inflicted on us that we will knock down any and all of the barriers imposed between us and Europe. Either way, you will be forcing us to return on worse terms. The only sustainable Brexit is no Brexit. Seen in this light, Brexit becomes a question of legacy – for you, Theresa May and your generation. Do you want to continue wasting time, energy, and money delivering a project that is already costing us prosperity and influence and that will only cost us more? A project that will be reversed in a few decades – if that? Or do you want to be the generation that energetically and urgently fixes the problems that cannot afford to wait for the Brexit mess to be cleaned up? We need your help to persuade the country to democratically stop Brexit and deliver the radical change society needs. Brexit will define our country’s future, but will affect the young more than most. We need you to fight for our future, not facilitate a drastic blow to it. We need you to fight for a referendum on the withdrawal deal, and then join us in persuading our parents and grandparents to choose a constructive, not destructive, legacy. You have never compromised on what is right before, Jeremy, do not start on the most important issue of our time. • Femi Oluwole is co-founder of Our Future, Our Choice!
Guest Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Well.done Anna Soubry. Even if you don't agree that the tories are becoming way too right wing, we can't have enough politicians standing up for what they truly believe in. Anna Soubry threatens to quit Tory party if Brexiters take over https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/06/anna-soubry-threatens-quit-tory-party-if-brexiters-take-over?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/05/jeremy-corbyn-young-people-brexit-radical-change Opinion Dear Jeremy Corbyn, young people need your help to halt Brexit Femi Oluwole Dear Jeremy, our generation is set to receive the worst inheritance in peacetime history. The NHS limps from crisis to crisis. The housing market excludes us further each day: in the 1990s, over half of 25-34s owned a home – today barely a quarter do. We might be regarded as the generation to go to university in record numbers, but we do so at the cost of an average £50,000 of debt. And still graduates are luckier than the 790,000 young people not in education, employment or training. We live in a capitalist economy without capital. It is no wonder that over one in five young people now think that, no matter how hard they try, their life will amount to nothing. In understanding this crisis of optimism, you have given hope to many. But understanding this is pointless if Brexit goes ahead. It is by far the worst aspect of our inheritance. It will make us much poorer, cut us off from our closest friends and leave us unable to address problems that require international cooperation to solve – such as climate change and rampant inequality. It will deny us opportunities and deprive us of the right to live, work, and love anywhere in Europe. It will rob us of the internationally engaged Britain that we know we want. These are just a few of the reasons why 75% of young people voted to remain. In the 2017 election, your surge in support mainly came from those who are angry about what is happening to Britain. This extends beyond young people – anyone under the age of 50 tended to support remain in 2016 and then Labour in 2017. The reason for this surge is because we are our angry about our future. Like you, we are appalled by the problems our society faces. But leaving the EU will only exacerbate these issues. The Bank of England tells us that, because of Brexit, we will be £200m a week poorer this year. This is money that should have been channelled into fixing hospitals, schools, and prisons which warrant our urgent attention, and yet receive less by the day. It is hopeless to fight for the radical change society needs while supporting a Brexit that will leave us unable to deliver it. Jeremy, you should remember that there will be a time when our generation ages. We will soon confront the reality of what we have been left, and if we do not like it we will simply reverse it. If it is a soft Brexit, which represents nothing but a minor loss of sovereignty, then we will return to our seat at the table. If it is a hard Brexit, we will be so furious with the wanton destruction inflicted on us that we will knock down any and all of the barriers imposed between us and Europe. Either way, you will be forcing us to return on worse terms. The only sustainable Brexit is no Brexit. Seen in this light, Brexit becomes a question of legacy – for you, Theresa May and your generation. Do you want to continue wasting time, energy, and money delivering a project that is already costing us prosperity and influence and that will only cost us more? A project that will be reversed in a few decades – if that? Or do you want to be the generation that energetically and urgently fixes the problems that cannot afford to wait for the Brexit mess to be cleaned up? We need your help to persuade the country to democratically stop Brexit and deliver the radical change society needs. Brexit will define our country’s future, but will affect the young more than most. We need you to fight for our future, not facilitate a drastic blow to it. We need you to fight for a referendum on the withdrawal deal, and then join us in persuading our parents and grandparents to choose a constructive, not destructive, legacy. You have never compromised on what is right before, Jeremy, do not start on the most important issue of our time. • Femi Oluwole is co-founder of Our Future, Our Choice! Really is baffling. Have these people still not checked his voting record or compared his campaigning in the EU referendum to the general election? The poor guy wanted to remain neutral in the actual event which I thought was a tremendous offer given his past. His key election pledges can't happen if we remain in. 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Well.done Anna Soubry. Even if you don't agree that the tories are becoming way too right wing, we can't have enough politicians standing up for what they truly believe in. Anna Soubry threatens to quit Tory party if Brexiters take over https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/06/anna-soubry-threatens-quit-tory-party-if-brexiters-take-over?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard She probably should go and join the Lib Dems again to be honest, resign and stand in a by-election.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Clegg finally gives up. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/06/soft-brexit-dead-nick-clegg-admits-defeat/
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 16 minutes ago, Buce said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/05/jeremy-corbyn-young-people-brexit-radical-change Opinion Dear Jeremy Corbyn, young people need your help to halt Brexit Femi Oluwole Dear Jeremy, our generation is set to receive the worst inheritance in peacetime history. The NHS limps from crisis to crisis. The housing market excludes us further each day: in the 1990s, over half of 25-34s owned a home – today barely a quarter do. We might be regarded as the generation to go to university in record numbers, but we do so at the cost of an average £50,000 of debt. And still graduates are luckier than the 790,000 young people not in education, employment or training. We live in a capitalist economy without capital. It is no wonder that over one in five young people now think that, no matter how hard they try, their life will amount to nothing. In understanding this crisis of optimism, you have given hope to many. But understanding this is pointless if Brexit goes ahead. It is by far the worst aspect of our inheritance. It will make us much poorer, cut us off from our closest friends and leave us unable to address problems that require international cooperation to solve – such as climate change and rampant inequality. It will deny us opportunities and deprive us of the right to live, work, and love anywhere in Europe. It will rob us of the internationally engaged Britain that we know we want. These are just a few of the reasons why 75% of young people voted to remain. In the 2017 election, your surge in support mainly came from those who are angry about what is happening to Britain. This extends beyond young people – anyone under the age of 50 tended to support remain in 2016 and then Labour in 2017. The reason for this surge is because we are our angry about our future. Like you, we are appalled by the problems our society faces. But leaving the EU will only exacerbate these issues. The Bank of England tells us that, because of Brexit, we will be £200m a week poorer this year. This is money that should have been channelled into fixing hospitals, schools, and prisons which warrant our urgent attention, and yet receive less by the day. It is hopeless to fight for the radical change society needs while supporting a Brexit that will leave us unable to deliver it. Jeremy, you should remember that there will be a time when our generation ages. We will soon confront the reality of what we have been left, and if we do not like it we will simply reverse it. If it is a soft Brexit, which represents nothing but a minor loss of sovereignty, then we will return to our seat at the table. If it is a hard Brexit, we will be so furious with the wanton destruction inflicted on us that we will knock down any and all of the barriers imposed between us and Europe. Either way, you will be forcing us to return on worse terms. The only sustainable Brexit is no Brexit. Seen in this light, Brexit becomes a question of legacy – for you, Theresa May and your generation. Do you want to continue wasting time, energy, and money delivering a project that is already costing us prosperity and influence and that will only cost us more? A project that will be reversed in a few decades – if that? Or do you want to be the generation that energetically and urgently fixes the problems that cannot afford to wait for the Brexit mess to be cleaned up? We need your help to persuade the country to democratically stop Brexit and deliver the radical change society needs. Brexit will define our country’s future, but will affect the young more than most. We need you to fight for our future, not facilitate a drastic blow to it. We need you to fight for a referendum on the withdrawal deal, and then join us in persuading our parents and grandparents to choose a constructive, not destructive, legacy. You have never compromised on what is right before, Jeremy, do not start on the most important issue of our time. • Femi Oluwole is co-founder of Our Future, Our Choice! Thats tragic.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 8 minutes ago, MattP said: Clegg finally gives up. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/06/soft-brexit-dead-nick-clegg-admits-defeat/ 1
Guest Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 5 minutes ago, MattP said: Clegg finally gives up. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/06/soft-brexit-dead-nick-clegg-admits-defeat/ Hard Brexit isn't happening. Clegg can say what he likes. There's not enough mps in support of it.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Hard Brexit isn't happening. Clegg can say what he likes. There's not enough mps in support of it. Go hard or go home. 1
bovril Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: Go hard or go home. Wow so racist.
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: Go hard or go home. I bet you've heard that more than once...
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 2 minutes ago, bovril said: Wow so racist. I thought we established that earlier 2 minutes ago, Buce said: I bet you've heard that more than once... Not since I got my repeat prescription.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 12 minutes ago, toddybad said: Hard Brexit isn't happening. Clegg can say what he likes. There's not enough mps in support of it. I think we all now have different definitions of what these terms mean. I always assumed (as Clegg did) soft Brexit meant retaining single market and customs union membership or getting as close as can be to it. Reality is I think we are going to end up with something in between.
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: I think we all now have different definitions of what these terms mean. I always assumed (as Clegg did) soft Brexit meant retaining single market and customs union membership or getting as close as can be to it. Reality is I think we are going to end up with something in between. It's called doublespeak. All politicians do it.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MattP said: I think we all now have different definitions of what these terms mean. I always assumed (as Clegg did) soft Brexit meant retaining single market and customs union membership or getting as close as can be to it. Reality is I think we are going to end up with something in between. All I know is, if Clegg doesn’t like it, that means I will. Edited 6 February 2018 by Strokes 1
Guest Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 6 minutes ago, MattP said: I think we all now have different definitions of what these terms mean. I always assumed (as Clegg did) soft Brexit meant retaining single market and customs union membership or getting as close as can be to it. Reality is I think we are going to end up with something in between. 2 minutes ago, Buce said: It's called doublespeak. All politicians do it. 1 minute ago, Strokes said: All I know, is if Clegg doesn’t like it, that means I will. It would really be quite the letdown if we are all equally as happy/pissed off as each other by the end.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 17 minutes ago, toddybad said: It would really be quite the letdown if we are all equally as happy/pissed off as each other by the end. The outcome will most likely be very meh whatever happens. The world won’t end like remain predict and there won’t be unicorns and rainbows either. But we will all get shiny new passports yay!
Guest Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: The outcome will most likely be very meh whatever happens. The world won’t end like remain predict and there won’t be unicorns and rainbows either. But we will all get shiny new passports yay! I'm going to buy a burgundy passport holder.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 10 minutes ago, Strokes said: The outcome will most likely be very meh whatever happens. The world won’t end like remain predict and there won’t be unicorns and rainbows either. But we will all get shiny new passports yay! And we get to beat up Romanians I think.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: And we get to beat up Romanians I think. I know underground places we can do that now........the underpass.
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: I'm going to buy a burgundy passport holder. I'm gonna buy a dodgy French passport off the Dark Web and call myself Pierre. Then I'm going to spend the rest of my life smuggling illegal immigrants across the channel just to piss the Brexiteers off.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buce said: I'm gonna buy a dodgy French passport off the Dark Web and call myself Pierre. Then I'm going to spend the rest of my life smuggling illegal immigrants across the channel just to piss the Brexiteers off. I’ll be too busy rolling in my new wealth from my company exploiting bitter remainers, to notice. First product will be burgundy passport covers, can anyone find me cheap Labour? Buce? Edited 6 February 2018 by Strokes
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: I’ll be too busy rolling in my new wealth from my company exploiting bitter remainers, to notice. First product will be burgundy passport covers, can anyone find me cheap Labour? Buce? No, mate. When they're not too busy imposing Sharia Law, they'll be signing on and raping our women.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 5 minutes ago, Buce said: No, mate. When they're not too busy imposing Sharia Law, they'll be signing on and raping our women. That’s one way to kill off the feminazis.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 1 hour ago, MattP said: It really has baffled me although today is the first time I've ever heard someone claim that a fancy dress costume could be reflective of political opinion. I doubt this is seriously a widespread opinion. Do you remember when that episode of Peep Show became real? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561261/Neo-Nazis-infiltrate-WWII-re-enactment-group.html
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: Do you remember when that episode of Peep Show became real? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561261/Neo-Nazis-infiltrate-WWII-re-enactment-group.html Jigaboos, Christ I’ve not heard that since I was a kid.
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