The Doctor Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 9 minutes ago, toddybad said: We went from top of g7 growth to bottom so it's ahead had a demostrable negative effect on growth before we've even left. Quite how you leavers always forget to mention this I'm not sure. "Economics comes above everything, Only those who disagree with that have the privilege of wealth" There you go - if you've got wealth and can ride out any temporary downturn, economics isn't as important as any other effects. Bit hypocritical to lecture about economics anyway when I'm assuming you'd agree that better social justice (e.g. closing the wealth gap in education - being born into a upper class family is worth a ten point boost to IQ on it's own, with high IQ showing higher levels of heritability in higher classes) is worth a small economic hit if required?
Guest MattP Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 41 minutes ago, toddybad said: We went from top of g7 growth to bottom so it's ahead had a demostrable negative effect on growth before we've even left. Quite how you leavers always forget to mention this I'm not sure. 26 minutes ago, The Doctor said: "Economics comes above everything, Only those who disagree with that have the privilege of wealth" There you go - if you've got wealth and can ride out any temporary downturn, economics isn't as important as any other effects. Bit hypocritical to lecture about economics anyway when I'm assuming you'd agree that better social justice (e.g. closing the wealth gap in education - being born into a upper class family is worth a ten point boost to IQ on it's own, with high IQ showing higher levels of heritability in higher classes) is worth a small economic hit if required? If you are going to take a quote out of context Toddy don't leave the whole lot there for everyone else to see. For what it's worth as well if a party in America was going to secure huge economic growth, but have the supreme court overruled by one in Venezuela, have an open border with Mexico and allow Suriname to veto it's trade deals I can promise you I wouldn't advise a vote for them either.
Alf Bentley Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 Merkel finally agrees grand coalition with SPD in Germany. SPD expected to get key ministries including finance minister & foreign minister: https://news.sky.com/story/angela-merkel-set-for-fourth-term-as-cdu-and-spd-agree-coalition-deal-11239841
Guest Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 1 hour ago, Strokes said: I’m having an Independence Day party at mine on the 29th March, you’re all invited rsvp x I'll come and trash the place in sympathy for what you've done to the country x
Guest MattP Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 Just now, Alf Bentley said: Merkel finally agrees grand coalition with SPD in Germany. SPD expected to get key ministries including finance minister & foreign minister: https://news.sky.com/story/angela-merkel-set-for-fourth-term-as-cdu-and-spd-agree-coalition-deal-11239841 Incredible really, means the far-right are now the official opposition in Germany. It's amazing she's got the gall to cling on after her policies led to that.
Guest Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 Cash crisis forces secondary schools in England to cut 15,000 staff https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/feb/07/cash-crisis-forces-secondary-schools-in-england-to-cut-15000-staff?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Buce Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: Cash crisis forces secondary schools in England to cut 15,000 staff https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/feb/07/cash-crisis-forces-secondary-schools-in-england-to-cut-15000-staff?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard It's ok, Toddy - Eton isn't affected. #countrythatworksforeveryone
Sharpe's Fox Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: Merkel finally agrees grand coalition with SPD in Germany. SPD expected to get key ministries including finance minister & foreign minister: https://news.sky.com/story/angela-merkel-set-for-fourth-term-as-cdu-and-spd-agree-coalition-deal-11239841 “But only the centre can win elections” tell me that when AFD win more votes than the SPD in the next election while JC and JMcD are in office IoI
Carl the Llama Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 I recommend watching this video on the impact a hard Brexit is likely to have on milk producers. I'd like to see the usual suspects defend this one. (Hyperlinked because for some reason it's not embedding properly.)
Strokes Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 17 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: I recommend watching this video on the impact a hard Brexit is likely to have on milk producers. I'd like to see the usual suspects defend this one. (Hyperlinked because for some reason it's not embedding properly.) Not coo l
Guest MattP Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: “But only the centre can win elections” tell me that when AFD win more votes than the SPD in the next election while JC and JMcD are in office IoI Early days still but certainly looking like centrist governments could be defeated by those on the extremes now. 25 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: I recommend watching this video on the impact a hard Brexit is likely to have on milk producers. I'd like to see the usual suspects defend this one. (Hyperlinked because for some reason it's not embedding properly.) 2018 equivalent of a Rickroll.
Strokes Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Early days still but certainly looking like centrist governments could be defeated by those on the extremes now. 2018 equivalent of a Rickroll. Unless it’s hard and extreme, it’s not getting in.
leicsmac Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 11 minutes ago, MattP said: Early days still but certainly looking like centrist governments could be defeated by those on the extremes now. Could be right, hope you're not - global warfare is never a pretty thing.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 8 February 2018 Author Posted 8 February 2018 1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said: I recommend watching this video on the impact a hard Brexit is likely to have on milk producers. I'd like to see the usual suspects defend this one. (Hyperlinked because for some reason it's not embedding properly.) You bastard... I actually ended up watching all 4:16 and now have random pigeon facts nesting in my brain. I just know next time i’m In front of a women and struggling for conversation “do you know you can milk pigeons” will spout out of my mouth.
Rogstanley Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, MattP said: If you are going to take a quote out of context Toddy don't leave the whole lot there for everyone else to see. For what it's worth as well if a party in America was going to secure huge economic growth, but have the supreme court overruled by one in Venezuela, have an open border with Mexico and allow Suriname to veto it's trade deals I can promise you I wouldn't advise a vote for them either. You're on record saying economics is everything and on the last page trade deals were the first (and only) thing you mentioned when asked to explain why you voted leave. Yet you also claim that brexit for you was not about economics. As it stands these views seem incompatible. Why did you really vote brexit? Edited 8 February 2018 by Rogstanley
Strokes Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: You're on record saying economics is everything and on the last page trade deals were the first (and only) thing you mentioned when asked to explain why you voted leave. Yet you also claim that brexit for you was not about economics. As it stands these views seem incompatible. Why did you really vote brexit? Economics is important but just not as important as giving our NHS £350 mil a week.
Wymsey Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 Council tax set to rise in most areas of the country. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42984368
Strokes Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 5 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: Council tax set to rise in most areas of the country. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42984368 They should have put their money in high interest savings accounts somewhere, I hear Iceland is good for it.
Guest MattP Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 Westminster voting intention: CON: 43% (+1) LAB: 39% (-3) LDEM: 8% (+2) via YouGov, Feb 2018 Chgs. w/ 29 Jan
Guest Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 So yesterday the government voted for cuts to council funding. And council's, having seen a huge % of their funding already removed, and with responsibly for social care which despite more need has itself has seen a 5.4% cut in funding since 2010, are now having to raise council tax significantly. Real joined up thinking.
Rogstanley Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Economics is important but just not as important as giving our NHS £350 mil a week. I know you're joking but that's economics as well. Still waiting for anyone to give me a reason why they voted brexit that is nothing to do with the economy.
Innovindil Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: So yesterday the government voted for cuts to council funding. And council's, having seen a huge % of their funding already removed, and with responsibly for social care which despite more need has itself has seen a 5.4% cut in funding since 2010, are now having to raise council tax significantly. Real joined up thinking. Well, people are happy to pay extra taxes. Makes sense to do it this way.
Alf Bentley Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 23 minutes ago, MattP said: Westminster voting intention: CON: 43% (+1) LAB: 39% (-3) LDEM: 8% (+2) via YouGov, Feb 2018 Chgs. w/ 29 Jan Within the margin of error, but interesting.....though not as interesting as the polls are likely to be later in the year (one way or another). That's the second uptick in Lib Dem support in recent polls, isn't it? I like the Mail's take on it: "Conservatives stretched its lead over Tories despite party in-fighting over Brexit" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5366715/Tories-4-point-lead-Labour-poll.html
Guest MattP Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 9 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Within the margin of error, but interesting.....though not as interesting as the polls are likely to be later in the year (one way or another). That's the second uptick in Lib Dem support in recent polls, isn't it? I like the Mail's take on it: "Conservatives stretched its lead over Tories despite party in-fighting over Brexit" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5366715/Tories-4-point-lead-Labour-poll.html Classic Mail. The Lib Dems do seem to be having a quiet revival, without really saying anything, I still maintain they had the best manifesto at the last election, problem is I couldn't vote for them on the basis of Brexit. They wouldn't admit it obviously, but surely there is deep concern in Labour circles that they can't establish a big lead (or even a lead it appears) over this current government, which I'll admit it's absolutely awful.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 8 February 2018 Posted 8 February 2018 45 minutes ago, MattP said: Westminster voting intention: CON: 43% (+1) LAB: 39% (-3) LDEM: 8% (+2) via YouGov, Feb 2018 Chgs. w/ 29 Jan These polls are only to be believed if Labour have a big lead, don't you realise this Matthew
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