Bellend Sebastian Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Just now, Strokes said: Jigaboos, Christ I’ve not heard that since I was a kid. I thought that was the slur Cheryl Cole used when she assaulted that woman in the bogs or whatever it was she did. None of your new fangled racism round here lads, keep it pre war
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 14 minutes ago, Strokes said: Jigaboos, Christ I’ve not heard that since I was a kid. I had to google it, which is odd as it's an archaic term, and I'm older than you. How did you become exposed to it?
Rogstanley Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 I think Tess is probably already calling it a coconut brexit, in her own mind at least if not to her wheaty little mates. Hard on the outside, soft on the inside. The detail of the softness just complicated enough so that brexiters can't be bothered to read it, or couldn't understand it even if they did. Hard enough so that they get to live out their chest thumpy, taking back control, "i am basically Winston Churchill" fantasy. Remainers will look at it rationally, intelligently, as they always do, and come away thinking it's not nearly as bad as it could have been. Everybody will be sort of happy. Not a lot will change, we'll all just be a little bit poorer. 3
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Buce said: I had to google it, which is odd as it's an archaic term, and I'm older than you. How did you become exposed to it? When we kids their were 4 of us that knocked about together, our mate from Jamaica (I think) was adopted with a white family. The older lads on the park at the end of the street used to call him it. Tbf our favourite game at the time was playing the A Team and he still was always BA Baracus but I don’t think we really understood what racism even was. I’d let him be Hannibal if he wanted to play now. Edited 6 February 2018 by Strokes 1
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: When we kids their were 4 of us that knocked about together, our mate from Jamaica I think was adopted with a white family. The older lads on the park at the end of the street used to call him it. Tbf our favourite game at the time was playing the A Team and he still was always BA Baracus but I don’t think we really understood what racism even was. I’d let him be Hannibal if he wanted to play now. Where did you grow up?
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Just now, Buce said: Where did you grow up? Narborough
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Used to be a horse in Australia called Jigaboo, sure it ran in the Cox plate.
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Strokes said: Narborough Oh, right. According to my dictionary of etymology it's a North American term dating back to 1909. I guess the boys in question probably picked it up from their grandfathers, who in turn may have picked it up from American servicemen during one of the World wars. That would also tie in with me having not come across it because I never knew either of my grandfathers. Edited 6 February 2018 by Buce
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Just now, Buce said: Oh, right. According to my dictionary of etymology it's a North American term dating back to 1909. I guess the boys in question probably picked it up from their grandfathers, who in turn may have picked it up from American servicemen during one of the World wars. Possibly, or could be TV. It would be early 80s?
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 4 minutes ago, Buce said: Oh, right. According to my dictionary of etymology it's a North American term dating back to 1909. I guess the boys in question probably picked it up from their grandfathers, who in turn may have picked it up from American servicemen during one of the World wars. I know my dad knew what it meant because I asked him at the time.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Possibly, or could be TV. It would be early 80s? Got through the BBC censors in just 2014. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586461/Case-racist-Scrabble-board-BBC-forced-apologise-flashing-offensive-word-episode-Jonathan-Creek.html
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Possibly, or could be TV. It would be early 80s? Maybe, but then I would have probably been aware of it. Were we still using terms that offensive in broadcasting in the 80's?
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: Got through the BBC censors in just 2014. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586461/Case-racist-Scrabble-board-BBC-forced-apologise-flashing-offensive-word-episode-Jonathan-Creek.html That adds weight to it not being in common use in recent time.
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: I know my dad knew what it meant because I asked him at the time. When was his father born?
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Buce said: When was his father born? His adopted dad would have been about 40 at the time, so I would hazard a guess late 1940s.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 7 minutes ago, Buce said: Maybe, but then I would have probably been aware of it. Were we still using terms that offensive in broadcasting in the 80's? No idea I was just guessing really.
Buce Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 (edited) Government 'too slow' preparing for Brexit. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/government-has-been-too-slow-in-preparing-for-brexit Business leader warn May "Our patience is running out over Brexit". https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/business-leaders-warn-may-our-patience-over-brexit-is-running-out Brexit could cut manufactoring exports by a third: Many Leave voting areas to be hardest hit. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/brexit-manufacturing-exports-leave What a fvcking mess. #takingbackcontrol Edited 7 February 2018 by Buce
Guest Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Buce said: Business leader warn May "Our patience is running out over Brexit". https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/business-leaders-warn-may-our-patience-over-brexit-is-running-out Brexit could cut manufactoring exports by a third: Many Leave voting areas to be hardest hit. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/brexit-manufacturing-exports-leave What a fvcking mess. #takingbackcontrol The trouble is, immigration has been painted as bad for us but is a primary reason for our growth. As a nation we're terrible at investment in tech within business and therefore the way we have increased productivity is to have more workers. If they leave productivity will fall and we'll end up in the recession that was feared. Likewise, taking back control means taking a huge step into the unknown. At a point where the rest of the world is seeing increasing growth ours is poor. Putting in place our own free trade deals will take years during which living standards are at further risk. Perversely, the stock market falls of recent days were due to increasing wages in the US leading to the markets fearing rate rises. How different are things in the uk with our falling wages? Edited 7 February 2018 by Guest
Alf Bentley Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 11 hours ago, Rogstanley said: I think Tess is probably already calling it a coconut brexit, in her own mind at least if not to her wheaty little mates. Hard on the outside, soft on the inside. The detail of the softness just complicated enough so that brexiters can't be bothered to read it, or couldn't understand it even if they did. Hard enough so that they get to live out their chest thumpy, taking back control, "i am basically Winston Churchill" fantasy. Remainers will look at it rationally, intelligently, as they always do, and come away thinking it's not nearly as bad as it could have been. Everybody will be sort of happy. Not a lot will change, we'll all just be a little bit poorer. Top post. This deserves at least 3 rep points: - 1 for the "coconut Brexit" concept - 1 for the "wheaty little mates" epithet - 1 for highlighting the superior intelligence of Remainers
lgfualol Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42953038 good news if true. Was talking about this many pages back.
Guest MattP Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 (edited) Another "watch this terrible thing happen if we vote for Brexit" myth shattered. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/foreign-students-apply-to-uk-in-record-numbers-3msxsff8z Quote The number of foreign students applying to British universities has hit a high, despite warnings about the impact of the Brexit vote on higher education. More than 100,000 EU and overseas candidates have applied to take up places this autumn, the first official figures for the year show today. This will be welcomed by institutions, which are facing a 2.5 per cent drop in the number of 18-year-olds in Britain compared with last year, resulting in unprecedented numbers of unconditional offers to candidates of all abilities. Over and over again they spread a scare story, it does not come true and they never come back and say anything about it, they just move on to the next one before that gets disproved. Meanwhile, the EU again leaking threats. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/we-will-use-sanctions-to-punish-you-during-brexit-transition-says-brussels-vfwcfswdc Quote Brussels is demanding that Theresa May submit to powers allowing the European Union to ground flights, suspend single market access and impose trade tariffs on the UK during the Brexit transition period. Under the proposals, the EU would have unprecedented legal powers — without the oversight of European courts — to punish Britain unilaterally if it breached the terms of the transition. The prime minister has also been warned by Brussels that she must make a legal commitment to prevent a hard border in Northern Ireland within weeks or the EU will “stall” Brexit trade and transition talks. Both issues are expected to be discussed by ministers today when the cabinet’s Brexit sub-committee meets to try to reach agreement on the next stage of negotiations. Don't believe a word of it again, it's classic tactics I've already seen and read about in the Varoufakis book on negotiating with these people, as he says, they'll threaten something through the press, then come to a negotiation in the actual talks, then make a conciliatory speech patronising the opponents - then the supporters of the club are think they have behaved properly and been reasonable when the opposite is the case. Can't believe anyone still falls for this. They are so desperate for us to stay it's embarrassing, reminds me of a jilted ex-girlfriend. Edited 7 February 2018 by MattP
Guest MattP Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 I've mentioned this before but Brexiteers need to put trade right at the forefront of arguments, way ahead of migration. There is huge support for us to be doing our own trade deals with the World and very little support for remaining tied to the Customs Union if it blocks us from doing the former. Please keep making this point, it resonates.
Buce Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 18 minutes ago, MattP said: I've mentioned this before but Brexiteers need to put trade right at the forefront of arguments, way ahead of migration. There is huge support for us to be doing our own trade deals with the World and very little support for remaining tied to the Customs Union if it blocks us from doing the former. Please keep making this point, it resonates. So 61% admit they have no fvcking idea what they were voting on. #takingbackcontrol
Guest MattP Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buce said: So 61% admit they have no fvcking idea what they were voting on. #takingbackcontrol Which furthers my point. Of those who do know most seem to favour what we were putting forward, how many Remain voters went to the polls not knowing that being in the Customs Union stopped our own country doing it's own trade deals? Let alone things like enforcing tariffs. It could be millions, that poll seems to suggest most who understand it are prepared to sacrifice the CU if it means we can go out into the wider World and engage more with rapidly growing economies when t is actually explained to them. #takingbackcontrol absolutely. Edited 7 February 2018 by MattP
Guest Posted 7 February 2018 Posted 7 February 2018 2 hours ago, Buce said: So 61% admit they have no fvcking idea what they were voting on. #takingbackcontrol I have no doubt whatsoever that less than about 10% of those asked even understand the first question.
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