Guest Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Just now, Strokes said: Putting a cross in a box doesn’t mean you care, it just seems to give you a right to pretend you do. It could mean that you do though?
Strokes Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Just now, toddybad said: It could mean that you do though? It doesn’t on its own mean anything.
Innovindil Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: If the planet has no future there'll be no geese. Yeah but there won't be any me either, so I doubt I'd care either way.
lifted*fox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 yeah come on ffs this ain't a geese thread. back to what we know and love plz. 1
Rogstanley Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Another right wing terrorist jailed, this one was thankfully stopped by police before he could carry out his plan to kill people with a machete. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-42944925
Alf Bentley Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 13 minutes ago, bovril said: From pigeons to geese. I cry fowl. You need to wind your neck in. No need to get in a flap, cock. Cygneture post from you: you swan in here, have a quick gander and start crowing like a raven lunatic. Are you an ostrich, mi duck?
Buce Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: You need to wind your neck in. No need to get in a flap, cock. Cygneture post from you: you swan in here, have a quick gander and start crowing like a raven lunatic. Are you an ostrich, mi duck? I don't know feather to laugh or cry. Please stop, Alf, and beak quick about it.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Just now, Buce said: I don't know feather to laugh or cry. Please stop, Alf, and beak quick about it. Sorry, Buce. I was feeling a bit cooped up.
Innovindil Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 21 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: yeah come on ffs this ain't a geese thread. back to what we know and love plz. Uwotm8?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Let's hope we DO come out of the Customs Union, and no dick head Tories or Labour riff raff, screw it up. Top marks to Mrs. May for her stand.
leicsmac Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 (edited) Crossposting this from the US thread as it does directly concern the UK: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42943768 Didn't think I'd ever say this, but well done, Jeremy Hunt! Edit: I think this here is a decent example of the difference between UK and US conservatives in terms of extremity. Edited 5 February 2018 by leicsmac
Guest Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 31 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Another right wing terrorist jailed, this one was thankfully stopped by police before he could carry out his plan to kill people with a machete. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-42944925 I'm not particularly going to get into the right/left argument, though the parallels with the 1930s in terms of immigration being blamed for difficult times across much of europe are unmissable. Did anybody else see that the Republicans have got an actual real life nazi now though? That's how bad things are getting in the West.
lifted*fox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Quote Asked about his remarks, Downing Street said Theresa May was "proud" of the UK's system. She's so pathetic.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 42 minutes ago, lifted*fox said: yeah come on ffs this ain't a geese thread. back to what we know and love plz. No need for you to monkey about..... 39 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: ....or to engage in cat calling... 21 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Uwotm8? ....watch out or you'll be up before the beak!
Guest Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Getting annoyed with all these bird posts. Any more of this and I'll be spitting feathers.
leicsmac Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 10 minutes ago, toddybad said: I'm not particularly going to get into the right/left argument, though the parallels with the 1930s in terms of immigration being blamed for difficult times across much of europe are unmissable. Did anybody else see that the Republicans have got an actual real life nazi now though? That's how bad things are getting in the West. 2 To be fair it's a seat that God himself couldn't win for the Repubs and they evidently didn't put much effort into putting up a candidate for it, but even so, perhaps it might not have been a bad idea to get someone who isn't a Nazi to run against him cheaply?
Alf Bentley Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 20 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said: Let's hope we DO come out of the Customs Union, and no dick head Tories or Labour riff raff, screw it up. Top marks to Mrs. May for her stand. But she wants us to be in a "Customs Arrangement", whatever that is. When does a Customs Union become a Customs Arrangement? 13 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Crossposting this from the US thread as it does directly concern the UK: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42943768 Didn't think I'd ever say this, but well done, Jeremy Hunt! Edit: I think this here is a decent example of the difference between UK and US conservatives in terms of extremity. Would be nice if Hunt and May funded the NHS properly instead of praising it while it runs down. Words and deeds, words and deeds.... I get increasingly cynical about the disparity, but I suppose it was primarily Blair who made politics all about presentation and not substance, words and not deeds (or insufficient deeds, at least). 1
Webbo Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 7 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: But she wants us to be in a "Customs Arrangement", whatever that is. When does a Customs Union become a Customs Arrangement? A customs union means we'd have to apply the EU's external tariff without any say in it's setting and we couldn't negotiate our own FTAs. A customs arrangement would be an agreement to let each others goods pass through without checks. If we stay in the customs union, we haven't really left.
Alf Bentley Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 5 minutes ago, Webbo said: A customs union means we'd have to apply the EU's external tariff without any say in it's setting and we couldn't negotiate our own FTAs. A customs arrangement would be an agreement to let each others goods pass through without checks. If we stay in the customs union, we haven't really left. My understanding was that: - The Customs Union (Lib Dem policy) means no freedom for the UK to negotiate its own FTAs. - A Customs Union (current Lab policy, but may change) is ill-defined and up for negotiation - A Customs Arrangement (new Tory policy) is also ill-defined and up for negotiation. In either of the last 2 cases, the EU will surely only allow goods to pass through without checks if some supervisory body at EU or international level ensures the equivalence and acceptability of the goods? Likewise, the EU will surely only agree a Customs Union/Arrangement allowing the UK to negotiate its own FTAs if there is approximate parity between EU and UK regulations and tariffs? We'll have to wait and see what's negotiated, I suppose. Let's face it, though: - The Labour policy may yet change - The new Tory policy is as ill-defined as the Lab policy and designed purely to avoid a party split for a few more days or weeks.
Webbo Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: My understanding was that: - The Customs Union (Lib Dem policy) means no freedom for the UK to negotiate its own FTAs. - A Customs Union (current Lab policy, but may change) is ill-defined and up for negotiation - A Customs Arrangement (new Tory policy) is also ill-defined and up for negotiation. In either of the last 2 cases, the EU will surely only allow goods to pass through without checks if some supervisory body at EU or international level ensures the equivalence and acceptability of the goods? Likewise, the EU will surely only agree a Customs Union/Arrangement allowing the UK to negotiate its own FTAs if there is approximate parity between EU and UK regulations and tariffs? We'll have to wait and see what's negotiated, I suppose. Let's face it, though: - The Labour policy may yet change - The new Tory policy is as ill-defined as the Lab policy and designed purely to avoid a party split for a few more days or weeks. What you're saying is broadly correct. It's all a bit vague, partly as you say to avoid splits and partly because it's all negotiable. There's an article here written by a (biased admittedly) lawyer that explains the situation. It's a bit hard going in places. http://brexitcentral.com/remaining-eu-customs-union-brexit-political-economic-disaster/ 1
Guest Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 In the last week alone, some bits of Britain – no one was clear exactly which – were first going to stay in the customs union, then they were going to stay in a customs union and finally they were going to be in a customs arrangement that would be in some unspecified way different to either the or a customs union, which we would be definitely be leaving while retaining whatever rights of being in a customs union we thought we might want. No wonder Michel Barnier appeared totally bewildered by David Davis’s assertion that the UK position was “totally clear” during their televised interview after their working lunch at No 10. The immigration minister Caroline Nokes wasn’t going to risk any such confusion. She had a clear plan. A plan that consisted of not having a plan. The only slight spanner in the works was that the government had promised everyone it would publish its white paper on post-Brexit immigration by the end of last year. So Nokes’s announcement that she was going to further delay the already delayed plan by not announcing its plan until some time a lot later – the autumn possibly, though maybe later – understandably provoked an urgent question from Yvette Cooper, Labour’s chair of the home affairs select committee. Could the minister tell us what is going on at the Home Office, asked an exasperated Cooper. This wasn’t the precise wording of the question on the order paper, but it did capture the mood of the Labour benches, who are beginning to wonder if government policy isn’t being determined by whichever Conservative backbenchers are shouting loudest at one time. Even if Nokes hadn’t been in her job for less than a month, it’s doubtful she would have been able to oblige. Some things are just unknowable. Ministers had been doing everything they could to keep everyone informed, she insisted. EU citizens rights were now as guaranteed as they could ever be in the absence of any firm guarantees. Sometimes it’s hard to know if ministers are instructed to be wilfully stupid or stupidly wilful. The government’s hands were tied, Nokes continued. There could be no white paper until the migration advisory committee had published its report, and even then she would have to wait until the time was right. And the right time would only be revealed after a long period of meditation and self-realisation. Cooper spelled out the facts slowly and deliberately. As if she was talking to someone who wasn’t very bright. Which, quite possibly, she wasn’t. The government might have thought it had come to some kind of agreement with the EU on citizens’ rights during the first phase of negotiations, but subsequent statements from both the UK and the EU showed they were both under the impression they had agreed something entirely different. And saying the government had to wait until the MAC reported didn’t quite explain why it had previously promised to publish a white paper before it had reported. “The logical conclusion,” said Cooper, “is that you are trying to kick the can down the road.” As ever with Brexit, the plan was to wait and see what corner the government found itself backed into and to then declare that that had always been its preferred option. Nokes looked vacant and gave an auto-pilot reply about wanting “a deep and special partnership going forward based on evidence-based policy”. A sure sign that the very opposite was the most likely outcome.
Buce Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Barnier: ‘Trade barriers unavoidable if UK leaves single market’. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/05/barnier-new-trade-barriers-unavoidable-if-uk-leaves-single-market
Guest Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 59 minutes ago, Buce said: Barnier: ‘Trade barriers unavoidable if UK leaves single market’. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/05/barnier-new-trade-barriers-unavoidable-if-uk-leaves-single-market You know what buce? I can't be bothered with this anymore. Of course we're going to be poorer. But they don't care. I can't understand why, but they don't. I really can't understand why for those Brexiters with young families. For the older generation the fall out won't really affect them. It's nuts.
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