leicsmac Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 6 minutes ago, MattP said: People who buy tickets for an event are now classed as "company he keeps" - seriously? 4 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: I'm with you. It's also a good job Corbyn hasn't kept any dodgy company over the years #terrorists Hence my careful use of the words "can't entirely judge". JRM isn't responsible for the far-right nutters that show at his speeches, but at the same time it should be a matter of record that some people who support him have far-right views, like this guy.
David Guiza Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 3 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: I'm with you. It's also a good job Corbyn hasn't kept any dodgy company over the years #terrorists In fairness you, presumably, are happy to accept a wage from Rupert Murdoch. Let he is without sin cast the first hashtag . 2
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 4 minutes ago, David Guiza said: In fairness you, presumably, are happy to accept a wage from Rupert Murdoch. Let he is without sin cast the first hashtag . There is a slight difference between hanging out with someone and supporting their views and being a long, long, long, long way down a particular food chain. I wouldn't necessarily say that speaking a little bit about football on the radio is much of a sin but others may disagree
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Hence my careful use of the words "can't entirely judge". JRM isn't responsible for the far-right nutters that show at his speeches, but at the same time it should be a matter of record that some people who support him have far-right views, like this guy. Where is the evidence the guy is far-right? I can't find that.
RumbleFox Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 4 hours ago, David Guiza said: Wait, what, you mean jokes about women's periods aren't funny anymore? Next you'll be telling me that Bernard Manning isn't selling out across the UK? Chubby Brown neither? Next thing you know there will be women doing jokes. I've had it with this country. . I blame the EU. X
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: I'm with you. It's also a good job Corbyn hasn't kept any dodgy company over the years #terrorists Only in Britain could you become a figure of virtue whilst expressing public support for dictators like Komenei, Chavez and Castro yet then another guy be judged because a bloke who bought a ticket to his speech once went to to a fancy dress party dressed as a Nazi. We are a weird, weird country at times. Edited 6 February 2018 by MattP
leicsmac Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Just now, MattP said: Where is the evidence the guy is far-right? I can't find that. Wearing a Nazi uniform - even as fancy dress - is nonindicative then? I guess Prince Harry did it in a moment of youthful idiocy too... I'm simply applying Occams Razor here, the guy clearly sympathises with JRM's views which implies conservatism, and also believes that wearing a Nazi uniform isn't a faux pas. I mean, there's a little more needed for a definitive verdict here, but it doesn't really look fantastic. Once again though I am bound to say this doesn't reflect on JRM, as he can't be expected to vet every single nutter that shows up to one of his speeches, and his reaction to all this happening was exactly what it should have been.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Wearing a Nazi uniform - even as fancy dress - is nonindicative then? I will now look at 'Allo 'Allo in a different light
David Guiza Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 3 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: There is a slight difference between hanging out with someone and supporting their views and being a long, long, long, long way down a particular food chain. I wouldn't necessarily say that speaking a little bit about football on the radio is much of a sin but others may disagree it was just a little joke about the distant company kept by one. In an ideal world large sections of TalkSport would have followed Colin Murray out the door on the day of the takeover and left Micky Quinn and a few others behind but I'm not so naive to know the world doesn't work like that. I'm not comfortable with some of Corbyn's historical comments and past 'allies', but neither am I with a vast array of historical and current associations the Tory party has either so Labour is a minority winner based on values held and morals. Sort of like choosing between Forest and a club you quite like but is managed by a more appealing Big Ron Atkinson
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 2 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Wearing a Nazi uniform - even as fancy dress - is nonindicative then? I guess Prince Harry did it in a moment of youthful idiocy too... I'm simply applying Occams Razor here, the guy clearly sympathises with JRM's views which implies conservatism, and also believes that wearing a Nazi uniform isn't a faux pas. I mean, there's a little more needed for a definitive verdict here, but it doesn't really look fantastic. Once again though I am bound to say this doesn't reflect on JRM, as he can't be expected to vet every single nutter that shows up to one of his speeches, and his reaction to all this happening was exactly what it should have been. I honestly don't know where to start with this The guy went to a fancy dress part as an SS officer, as thousands of people have over the years, I remember this happening at university before the snowflake days. The idea he's automatically now a "far-right nutter" because of it is beyond belief. People had a sense of dark humour once, in fact it was one of the great traits of this country that we could laugh at stuff like this. (I nearly went to one as Stalin once BTW but opted to go as Gary Glitter instead, God knows what that makes me!)
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 4 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: I will now look at 'Allo 'Allo in a different light Charlie Chaplin's legacy is ruined.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 4 minutes ago, David Guiza said: it was just a little joke about the distant company kept by one. In an ideal world large sections of TalkSport would have followed Colin Murray out the door on the day of the takeover and left Micky Quinn and a few others behind but I'm not so naive to know the world doesn't work like that. Yeah I know you were yanking the chain, it's cool. Everybody has a different moral compass - as Colin Murray showed (and it wasn't a great loss if I'm honest) - and I generally have a 'live and let live' view on the world. 1
leicsmac Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 5 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: I will now look at 'Allo 'Allo in a different light Lil bit of difference between assured entertainment for TV and a fancy dress party IRL? But who knows. Just now, MattP said: I honestly don't know where to start with this The guy went to a fancy dress part as an SS officer, as thousands of people have over the years, I remember this happening at university before the snowflake days. The idea he's automatically now a "far-right nutter" because of it is beyond belief. People had a sense of dark humour once, in fact it was one of the great traits of this country that we could laugh at stuff like this. (I nearly went to one as Stalin once BTW but opted to go as Gary Glitter instead, God knows what that makes me!) I do believe I maintained it wasn't definitive, and merely that it didn't look good? I mean, the guy could be a centrist or Antifa who likes going to such things for the craic and thinks that dressing up in an SS uniform is the height of humour...in which case his sense of humour is shite (and I'm not sure the student immaturity angle really works as he's in his 50's) and perhaps he should have thought more carefully about what the future consequences of that might be, but ah well. Him wanting to get involved in a scrap with Antifa and being there in the first place is probably more telling, come to think of it. In that situation, if you don't want a fight you back away and talk, the way JRM did - you don't get in folks faces unless you want to bash some heads, unless you're totally bluffing about wanting things to escalate (which being a taekwondo instructor I'm assuming the guy knew how to look after himself).
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 19 minutes ago, MattP said: I honestly don't know where to start with this The guy went to a fancy dress part as an SS officer, as thousands of people have over the years, I remember this happening at university before the snowflake days. The idea he's automatically now a "far-right nutter" because of it is beyond belief. People had a sense of dark humour once, in fact it was one of the great traits of this country that we could laugh at stuff like this. (I nearly went to one as Stalin once BTW but opted to go as Gary Glitter instead, God knows what that makes me!) Turning up to a speech in balaclavas like the gestapo is non condemnable but going to fancy dress as Hitler is a huge faux pas. 1
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Just now, leicsmac said: Lil bit of difference between assured entertainment for TV and a fancy dress party IRL? But who knows. I do believe I maintained it wasn't definitive, and merely that it didn't look good? I mean, the guy could be a centrist or Antifa who likes going to such things for the craic and thinks that dressing up in an SS uniform is the height of humour...in which case his sense of humour is shite (and I'm not sure the student immaturity angle really works as he's in his 50's) and perhaps he should have thought more carefully about what the future consequences of that might be, but ah well. Him wanting to get involved in a scrap with Antifa and being there in the first place is probably more telling, come to think of it. In that situation, if you don't want a fight you back away and talk, the way JRM did - you don't get in folks faces unless you want to bash some heads, unless you're totally bluffing about wanting things to escalate (which being a taekwondo instructor I'm assuming the guy knew how to look after himself). Personally I thought standing up to those sort of people is very good, watch the video again and it's very clear who looks to threaten throw the first punch. Your humour is different to others, doesn't mean it's great or shite, personally I love it when someone goes as something outrageous to a fancy dress party, Hitler, Stalin, Glitter, Jimmy Savile etc - give me that everytime over the boring twats going as the seventh wonderwoman or tenth Lionel Messi walking through the door. All he was doing was looking out for someone who was the the victim of a balaclava wearing mob shouting in his face, I'd have been ready to step in and do the same had I been there and the last thing on my mind would have been the press digging up some shit from my Facebook page, most things are more important than that. I honestly cannot see where you are coming from on this at all. You are picking on the wrong people because of your hatred for the politics of JRM - there are fascists in that room - but they aren't the guy who went to a fancy dress party.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Just now, Strokes said: Turning up to a speech in balaclavas like the gestapo is non condemnable but going to fancy dress as Hitler is a huge faux pas. Incredible isn't it who some people see as the side in the wrong.
Strokes Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 Just now, MattP said: Incredible isn't it who some people see as the side in the wrong. Maybe they were in IRA fancy dress? 2
leicsmac Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 4 minutes ago, MattP said: Personally I thought standing up to those sort of people is very good, watch the video again and it's very clear who looks to threaten throw the first punch. Your humour is different to others, doesn't mean it's great or shite, personally I love it when someone goes as something outrageous to a fancy dress party, Hitler, Stalin, Glitter, Jimmy Savile etc - give me that everytime over the boring twats going as the seventh wonderwoman or tenth Lionel Messi walking through the door. All he was doing was looking out for someone who was the the victim of a balaclava wearing mob shouting in his face, I'd have been ready to step in and do the same had I been there and the last thing on my mind would have been the press digging up some shit from my Facebook page, most things are more important than that. I honestly cannot see where you are coming from on this at all. You are picking on the wrong people because of your hatred for the politics of JRM - there are fascists in that room - but they aren't the guy who went to a fancy dress party. You know me - never been one for confrontation. I know there's an argument for having to bash people across the head before getting them to negotiate (or at the very least keep the threat there so they never start anything) but AFAIC it mostly just results in people needlessly getting hurt until you do what you should have done right at the start and actually talk about it. And that goes for pretty much any ideology (apart from things that concern humans as a whole, which is the only hill I'd die on). Of course, humour is subjective and some people like their bad taste - but then those folks can't be surprised at the reaction they get when they use it. Like has been said before, all freedoms come with the freedom to accept the consequences of what you say and do. I disagree that the bloke was being purely defensive in the way you suggest here - again, if he'd been that way he'd have done exactly what JRM did, talk to the Antifa and make them look like idiots, not get into a barney with them. I guess the key point we disagree on here is how necessary getting into a scrap to further the interests you hold dear - whatever they are - is.
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 36 minutes ago, MattP said: I honestly don't know where to start with this The guy went to a fancy dress part as an SS officer, as thousands of people have over the years, I remember this happening at university before the snowflake days. The idea he's automatically now a "far-right nutter" because of it is beyond belief. People had a sense of dark humour once, in fact it was one of the great traits of this country that we could laugh at stuff like this. (I nearly went to one as Stalin once BTW but opted to go as Gary Glitter instead, God knows what that makes me!) Someone with a shit taste in music?
Alf Bentley Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 17 minutes ago, Strokes said: Maybe they were in IRA fancy dress? Please don't wake up a certain resident of the web. He's just dozed off in his rocking-chair after a hard day's painting.
Alf Bentley Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 6 minutes ago, Buce said: Someone with a shit taste in music? I expect you spent the early 70s listening to some rubbish like Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple, when you could have been appreciating this (no Gary to avoid offending anyone): Magnificent!
Guest Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 41 minutes ago, MattP said: Personally I thought standing up to those sort of people is very good, watch the video again and it's very clear who looks to threaten throw the first punch. Your humour is different to others, doesn't mean it's great or shite, personally I love it when someone goes as something outrageous to a fancy dress party, Hitler, Stalin, Glitter, Jimmy Savile etc - give me that everytime over the boring twats going as the seventh wonderwoman or tenth Lionel Messi walking through the door. All he was doing was looking out for someone who was the the victim of a balaclava wearing mob shouting in his face, I'd have been ready to step in and do the same had I been there and the last thing on my mind would have been the press digging up some shit from my Facebook page, most things are more important than that. I honestly cannot see where you are coming from on this at all. You are picking on the wrong people because of your hatred for the politics of JRM - there are fascists in that room - but they aren't the guy who went to a fancy dress party. I actually don't understand the idea you can't wear a fancy dress nazi costume. It absolutely isn't in some weird way condoning nazism. I used to have a German ww2 shirt that I wore without it having any meaning (more to do with music taste than anything). They sold them in a shop under Irish. And that was just in normal life.
Buce Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Alf Bentley said: I expect you spent the early 70s listening to some rubbish like Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple, when you could have been appreciating this (no Gary to avoid offending anyone): Magnificent! Wash your mouth out! My early musical taste was very much influenced by my brother who was eight years older than me, so it was Free, Pink Floyd, Hendrix, Stones, Beatles, The Who, Incredible String Band, and yes, Led Zep. Full disclosure, though. In 1981 (I think) I was back in Leicester briefly after some years of travelling, and caught up with some old mates. I was still drinking back then and we went into town and really tied one on. Not wanting to finish when the pubs shut, we ended up in a downmarket nightclub (Baileys if memory serves) where we saw GG perform on yet another of his comeback tours. To be fair he was quite the showman still and the music didn’t seem too bad after 20 or so pints. Edited 6 February 2018 by Buce
Alf Bentley Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 8 minutes ago, Buce said: Full disclosure, though. In 1981 (I think) I was back in Leicester briefly after some years of travelling, and caught up with some old mates. I was still drinking back then and we went into town and really tied one on. Not wanting to finish when the pubs shut, we ended up in a down market nightclub (Baileys if memory serves) where we saw GG perform on yet another of his comeback tours. To be fair he was quite the showman still and the music didn’t seem too bad after 20 or so pints. I saw him in Norwich at about the same time, probably the same tour. A bit of a novelty act by then, but entertaining. My Mum was a big fan in his 70s heyday, so was very disappointed in him when his misconduct was revealed later.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2018 Posted 6 February 2018 3 hours ago, toddybad said: I actually don't understand the idea you can't wear a fancy dress nazi costume. It absolutely isn't in some weird way condoning nazism. I used to have a German ww2 shirt that I wore without it having any meaning (more to do with music taste than anything). They sold them in a shop under Irish. And that was just in normal life. It really has baffled me although today is the first time I've ever heard someone claim that a fancy dress costume could be reflective of political opinion. I doubt this is seriously a widespread opinion.
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