Innovindil Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 4 minutes ago, toddybad said: Read the first three words again. So just a random rant? Cool. Glad you got that off your chest.
Strokes Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 2 hours ago, toddybad said: Is this, coupled with the already substantial drop in business investment to the UK, project fear? There's always a unicorn over the rainbow, no matter the problem, for your leavers, isn't there? Whataboutery.
Strokes Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Not Brexit related. Just an outlook thing. What I don't understand: Currently, uk politics is dominated by austerity affecting the poorest, with cuts to benefits and public services. At the same time, we continue with QE which is doing nothing to increase demand or productivity, simply making the rich ever richer as evidenced by the stock markets, which continue to surge ahead despite seriously weak underlying economic data (as QE is simply being invested in the markets). So, whilst cutting services to normal people in the name of debt reduction, debt is being taken on to fund QE. It is a direct removal of resources from poor to rich. Why are you happy with the status quo? Talking of increased productivity, isn’t it time we all did some work?
Buce Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 Just now, Strokes said: Talking of increased productivity, isn’t it time we all did some work? Fvck off. It's Friday and the month doesn't have an 'r' in it. 1
Grebfromgrebland Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 OMFG just listening to LBC and there's British people defending Donald Trump saying that he's doing the right thing re: trade wars and that we should lower tariffs on the US even at the expense of British citizens and have a worse life. And this is the massive issue I have with Brexit. We have a section of society obsessed with making millionaires richer at the expense of their own lives and the futures of their own families and are prepared to ruin their own country. But its ok as long as Dyson and Wetherspoons can increase their profits and Farage etc. It really is Turkeys voting for Christmas. 1
Innovindil Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 1 minute ago, Grebfromgrebland said: OMFG just listening to LBC and there's British people defending Donald Trump saying that he's doing the right thing re: trade wars and that we should lower tariffs on the US even at the expense of British citizens and have a worse life. And this is the massive issue I have with Brexit. We have a section of society obsessed with making millionaires richer at the expense of their own lives and the futures of their own families and are prepared to ruin their own country. But its ok as long as Dyson and Wetherspoons can increase their profits and Farage etc. It really is Turkeys voting for Christmas. Hate to break it to you, but there are plenty of left-leaners that agree with protectionism too. Only difference is you wouldn't hear them blowing trumpet.
Buce Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 1 minute ago, Innovindil said: Hate to break it to you, but there are plenty of left-leaners that agree with protectionism too. Only difference is you wouldn't hear them blowing trumpet. I don't know of any that would agree, so the likes of Dyson get richer at the expense of the ordinary working man and woman. It's only the class traitors and the sycophants that are ok with that.
leicsmac Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 8 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: OMFG just listening to LBC and there's British people defending Donald Trump saying that he's doing the right thing re: trade wars and that we should lower tariffs on the US even at the expense of British citizens and have a worse life. And this is the massive issue I have with Brexit. We have a section of society obsessed with making millionaires richer at the expense of their own lives and the futures of their own families and are prepared to ruin their own country. But its ok as long as Dyson and Wetherspoons can increase their profits and Farage etc. It really is Turkeys voting for Christmas. 3 Some British people defended Trump when he referred to some of the Charlottesville neofascists as "very fine people". Compared to that this is small fry tbh.
Strokes Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said: OMFG just listening to LBC and there's British people defending Donald Trump saying that he's doing the right thing re: trade wars and that we should lower tariffs on the US even at the expense of British citizens and have a worse life. And this is the massive issue I have with Brexit. We have a section of society obsessed with making millionaires richer at the expense of their own lives and the futures of their own families and are prepared to ruin their own country. But its ok as long as Dyson and Wetherspoons can increase their profits and Farage etc. It really is Turkeys voting for Christmas. It’s a bit rich to bring brexit into the debate whilst standing on a platform attacking trump for protectionism. The EU is the biggest protectionist racket going and did exactly what trump is doing to China not that long ago at all. Personally I think all nations should look after the natives and if that means hitting cheaper products with tariffs then so be it.
Guest Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 1 hour ago, Strokes said: It’s a bit rich to bring brexit into the debate whilst standing on a platform attacking trump for protectionism. The EU is the biggest protectionist racket going and did exactly what trump is doing to China not that long ago at all. Personally I think all nations should look after the natives and if that means hitting cheaper products with tariffs then so be it. But your preferred Brexit involves removing tariffs on cheap imported goods and letting British farmers go out of business?
Strokes Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 8 minutes ago, toddybad said: But your preferred Brexit involves removing tariffs on cheap imported goods and letting British farmers go out of business? No it doesn’t, i prefer it to staying in the union but it’s not my preferred brexit. My preferred brexit is WTO rules for all external trades.
Guest Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 13 minutes ago, Strokes said: No it doesn’t, i prefer it to staying in the union but it’s not my preferred brexit. My preferred brexit is WTO rules for all external trades. Was that option on the poll card? What % of leavers want to see that? What about the fact it will increase prices significantly, driving inflation upwards at pace?
Webbo Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 2 hours ago, toddybad said: But your preferred Brexit involves removing tariffs on cheap imported goods and letting British farmers go out of business? No,that was me. 1
Guest Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 24 minutes ago, Webbo said: No,that was me. So is Brexit wto tariffs, unilaterally having no tariffs, or free trade? Which one? It can only be one of these things. Brexit means Brexit, after all.
Webbo Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 Just now, toddybad said: So is Brexit wto tariffs, unilaterally having no tariffs, or free trade? Which one? It can only be one of these things. Brexit means Brexit, after all. Ideally free trade, but it's not just up to us.
Strokes Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Was that option on the poll card? No What % of leavers want to see that? I don’t know, does it matter? What about the fact it will increase prices significantly, driving inflation upwards at pace? Inflation isn’t a bad thing, it reduces debt. Remember? Price increases would hopefully mean we reduce consumption/waste. Whilst we are paying higher prices we would also be earning a bit more so it should balance things out a bit.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 (edited) Take note so called leftists this is what you get when you want a “moderate”, pro EU leader of the Labour Party the SDP are on 13% (!) among the young in Germany while the far right 8 points ahead and equivalent of the Greens on 1 point behind Wake up Britain! Edited 1 June 2018 by Sharpe's Fox
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 7 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said: OMFG just listening to LBC and there's British people defending Donald Trump saying that he's doing the right thing re: trade wars and that we should lower tariffs on the US even at the expense of British citizens and have a worse life. And this is the massive issue I have with Brexit. We have a section of society obsessed with making millionaires richer at the expense of their own lives and the futures of their own families and are prepared to ruin their own country. But its ok as long as Dyson and Wetherspoons can increase their profits and Farage etc. It really is Turkeys voting for Christmas. CHUMP!
Guest Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Take note so called leftists this is what you get when you want a “moderate”, pro EU leader of the Labour Party the SDP are on 13% (!) among the young in Germany while the far right 8 points ahead and equivalent of the Greens on 1 point behind Wake up Britain! This is the one issue I do have with the status quo - there does need to be some sort of action that probably directly addresses immigration but definitely deals with the problem of lack of investment and opportunity in the north. I actually don't think the first causes the second but the right have been very successful in convincing everybody that it does. The problem worldwide is economics not working for ordinary people. We're seeing the rise of the right and the blaming of other groups in the same way we did in Germany in the 30s when it's finances were shot. It's what happens in difficult times. But somehow people don't recognise this in themselves despite the historical lessons. Here in the UK we're going down the Brexit route and it's hard to argue against the fact that both the main parties are making decisions based on populist type support. Edited 1 June 2018 by Guest
leicsmac Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 The AFD second ranked amongst young people I would have thought that in Germany it would have been clear where that road leads, even eight decades on and amongst the young.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Oh dear. Poor Seb doesn’t remember you vote for a party rather than an individual MEP in European Parliament election, meaning he is just another tool unaccountable to any of his constituents. Maybe Seb should submit a document to change the law in his chamber? Oh yeah he can’t. Edited 1 June 2018 by Sharpe's Fox 1
Guest Posted 1 June 2018 Posted 1 June 2018 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Oh dear. Poor Seb doesn’t remember you vote for a party rather than an individual MEP in European Parliament election, meaning he is just another tool unaccountable to any of his constituents. Maybe Seb should submit a document to change the law in his chamber? Oh yeah he can’t. There are times when you have to accept certain realities though. If we have a free trade deal with any country in the world it will see either an alignment or a mutual acceptance (which basically means deregulation) of standards and regulations which will be adjudicated upon by a supranational authority. It's not so far removed from the EU.
leicsmac Posted 2 June 2018 Posted 2 June 2018 The store LUSH are catching some flak on social media (and of course, the Daily Mail) for drawing attention to the "spy cops" scandal, where the fuzz infiltrated numerous green and anti-capitalist groups. Apparently drawing attention to activity from authority that is at best unethical and at worst actually illegal isn't a good thing now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44330078 1
Strokes Posted 2 June 2018 Posted 2 June 2018 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: The store LUSH are catching some flak on social media (and of course, the Daily Mail) for drawing attention to the "spy cops" scandal, where the fuzz infiltrated numerous green and anti-capitalist groups. Apparently drawing attention to activity from authority that is at best unethical and at worst actually illegal isn't a good thing now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44330078 Tbf to lush, they kind of made their name from ethical campaigns so the argument some are using that it isn’t their place is misguided imo. I think it’s a bit of a niche area, I mean how many undercover police are actively behaving inappropriately, half a dozen, a score? It’s hardly far reaching. The set up in the store with the police tape isn’t very clear and does look like an anti police campaign too........ I’d say a bit of an own goal for lush tbh.
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