Strokes Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 1 hour ago, Sharpe's Fox said: People involved in politics is now a cult. If this a far right rally you'd be telling us how dangerous and serious it is and how we should sit up and take notice before they start getting into positions of power. Because these people on the left you ignore the incoming change in our politics that is staring you in the face. It’s a valid point but we would still be condemning them and calling them nutters so the cult tag is still also valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’s a valid point but we would still be condemning them and calling them nutters so the cult tag is still also valid. TBF the far-right nutters don't get as much condemnation as they get Internet news networks with millions of followers and calls from hundreds of thousands for them to be released from jail because they've been "unjustly imprisoned" for "exposing the truth". Edited 16 August 2018 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 21 hours ago, Lionator said: Come back when Jezza has invaded a country thus creating conditions for the savagest terrorist group ever to exist to thrive. I'm not fan of 2018 Corbyn but some of you lot are petrified of a Corbyn government aren't you haha! Who in their right minds, wouldn't be? The man couldn't lead a donkey across a field, let alone lead a government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 (edited) It's worth voting for Jezza if only to watch the Tory meltdown on here when he won. Edited 16 August 2018 by Buce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 Labour complains to regulator over coverage of cemetery visit Party says newspapers misrepresented Tunisia event which Jeremy Corbyn attended The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia. In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014. The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery. It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage. The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath. The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia. Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony. The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists. Labour acknowledges that the cemetery contains the graves of senior Palestinian Liberation Organisation individuals Salah Khalaf and Atef Besiso, who were assassinated in the early 1990s and have been accused by Israel of having had links with Black September, something the PLO has always denied. However, it insists Corbyn did not take part in laying wreaths on their specific graves. The party initially struggled to clarify events surrounding Corbyn’s visit. However, it went on the attack when the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, personally intervened and criticised Corbyn. Newspapers named in the Ipso complaint have been informed. There will be an internal complaints process at each one, and they could offer to publish corrections to resolve the dispute. If Labour rejects any of the potential mediation offers, a full inquiry could take place. Ipso could have to rule on the accuracy of each contentious piece and whether it breaks its code on accuracy. It is thought that several members of the public have complained to Ipso about the coverage, but their concerns cannot be investigated because the regulator does not accept complaints from third parties. The regulator has been increasingly willing to make strong rulings on contentious issues, ordering front-page corrections in the Daily Mail and Mirror in recent months. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/16/labour-complains-to-regulator-over-coverage-of-cemetery-visit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 7 minutes ago, Buce said: It's worth voting for Jezza if only to watch the Tory meltdown on here when he won. I'm a lifelong Labour voter but I can't bring myself to vote for him. I'd be very worried if he became PM. It's bad enough he and his crazy follows have turned Labour into a laughing stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 11 minutes ago, Buce said: It's worth voting for Jezza if only to watch the Tory meltdown on here when he won. As satisfying as that sentiment is, voting in a candidate purely to piss the other side off is one of the reasons Trump got in, and that's not exactly been a good thing. I'd like to see some clarification on both Brexit and scientific policy from Labour before I'd consider voting for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 2 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: People involved in politics is now a cult. If this a far right rally you'd be telling us how dangerous and serious it is and how we should sit up and take notice before they start getting into positions of power. Because these people on the left you ignore the incoming change in our politics that is staring you in the face. He won a Nobel peace prize 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: TBF the far-right nutters don't get as much condemnation as they get Internet news networks with millions of followers and calls from hundreds of thousands for them to be released from jail because they've been "unjustly imprisoned" for "exposing the truth". Errrr....shouldn't we wait for the court case? Why do you always seek to defend with "Whataboutism" - it's in almost every post from you now. 12 minutes ago, Buce said: It's worth voting for Jezza if only to watch the Tory meltdown on here when he won. Yeah let's watch a meltdown by voting for someone who is totally mental. You are actually no better than a Trump loyalist Buce, it's almost laughable how you try and come over so high and mighty. Call for people who disagree with you to die, urge votes for bigots, then shout how cruel others are. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 3 minutes ago, leicsmac said: As satisfying as that sentiment is, voting in a candidate purely to piss the other side off is one of the reasons Trump got in, and that's not exactly been a good thing. I'd like to see some clarification on both Brexit and scientific policy from Labour before I'd consider voting for them. So just to be clear if the Brexit and Science is cool you'll be happy to vote for an anti-semitic bigot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MattP said: Why do you always seek to defend with "Whataboutism" - it's in almost every post from you now. Because the far-right is in the ascendancy and is much more of a threat than the far-left to any and all currently liberal societies across Europe and North America, and that perspective needs to be highlighted rather than focusing on a much smaller boogeyman. 11 minutes ago, MattP said: So just to be clear if the Brexit and Science is cool you'll be happy to vote for an anti-semitic bigot? Note my careful use of the word "consider". A party that pushes bigger and better scientific and other areas of collaboration (particularly on environmental/energy policy) with Europe and the rest of the world would certainly have my attention, however they're not the only keystone issues for me; as I've said pretty damn often on here before, social considerations of minority groups - Jews included - in policy is also very important. TBH the sooner organised religion of all Abrahamic kinds ceases being a reason to dictate and shape policy in various places around the world the better. Edit: freedom to practise, but certainly not to lobby or to set policy based on any scripture. Edited 16 August 2018 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Because the far-right is in the ascendancy and is much more of a threat than the far-left to any and all currently liberal societies across Europe and North America, and that perspective needs to be highlighted rather than focusing on a much smaller boogeyman. Note my careful use of the word "consider". A party that pushes bigger and better scientific and other areas of collaboration (particularly on environmental/energy policy) with Europe and the rest of the world would certainly have my attention, however they're not the only keystone issues for me; as I've said pretty damn often on here before, social considerations of minority groups - Jews included - in policy is also very important. TBH the sooner organised religion of all Abrahamic kinds ceases being a reason to dictate and shape policy in various places around the world the better. Edit: freedom to practise, but certainly not to lobby or to set policy based on any scripture. So just to be clear if the Brexit and Science is cool you will consider voting for an anti-semitic bigot? Edited 16 August 2018 by MattP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 @MattP u ok hun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 5 minutes ago, MattP said: So just to be clear if the Brexit and Science is cool you will consider voting for an anti-semitic bigot? Channeling your inner Paxman tonight huh, Matt? Hope everything's alright. Fine - do allow me to clarify. I'd like to see some clarification on both Brexit and scientific policy and various social issues including allegations of anti-semitism from Labour before I'd consider voting for them. That all being said, when it comes to anti-Semitism, it ain't the lefties marching with tiki-torches chanting about how "Jews will not replace us", is it? (Sorry for the whataboutery comparison, again.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 29 minutes ago, Buce said: Labour complains to regulator over coverage of cemetery visit Party says newspapers misrepresented Tunisia event which Jeremy Corbyn attended The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia. In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014. The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery. It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage. The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath. The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia. Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony. The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists. Labour acknowledges that the cemetery contains the graves of senior Palestinian Liberation Organisation individuals Salah Khalaf and Atef Besiso, who were assassinated in the early 1990s and have been accused by Israel of having had links with Black September, something the PLO has always denied. However, it insists Corbyn did not take part in laying wreaths on their specific graves. The party initially struggled to clarify events surrounding Corbyn’s visit. However, it went on the attack when the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, personally intervened and criticised Corbyn. Newspapers named in the Ipso complaint have been informed. There will be an internal complaints process at each one, and they could offer to publish corrections to resolve the dispute. If Labour rejects any of the potential mediation offers, a full inquiry could take place. Ipso could have to rule on the accuracy of each contentious piece and whether it breaks its code on accuracy. It is thought that several members of the public have complained to Ipso about the coverage, but their concerns cannot be investigated because the regulator does not accept complaints from third parties. The regulator has been increasingly willing to make strong rulings on contentious issues, ordering front-page corrections in the Daily Mail and Mirror in recent months. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/16/labour-complains-to-regulator-over-coverage-of-cemetery-visit Glad there has been some sort of response to this rubbish at last. Right Wing rags have already caused enough damage with their Brexit lies. All part of shoring up the Tory vote with staple cognitive dissonance fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 4 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: @MattP u ok hun? I'm good. Got Jezza a 50/1 to win Wimbledon next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Channeling your inner Paxman tonight huh, Matt? Hope everything's alright. Fine - do allow me to clarify. I'd like to see some clarification on both Brexit and scientific policy and various social issues including allegations of anti-semitism from Labour before I'd consider voting for them. That all being said, when it comes to anti-Semitism, it ain't the lefties marching with tiki-torches chanting about how "Jews will not replace us", is it? (Sorry for the whataboutery comparison, again.) No problem, expected it. 1 minute ago, l444ry said: Glad there has been some sort of response to this rubbish at last. Right Wing rags have already caused enough damage with their Brexit lies. All part of shoring up the Tory vote with staple cognitive dissonance fodder. Can you point out exactly where the press have lied? The Mail told the truth, Benjamin Netanyahu told the truth. Jeremy Corbyn lied, then lied and then lied again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 3 minutes ago, MattP said: No problem, expected it. Can you point out exactly where the press have lied? The Mail told the truth, Benjamin Netanyahu told the truth. Jeremy Corbyn lied, then lied and then lied again. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45196409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 1 minute ago, l444ry said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45196409 "Attention has focused on a 2014 Morning Star article, in which he wrote that "wreaths were laid at the graves of those who died on that day and on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991". Who were the others @l444ry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MattP said: No problem, expected it. 1 Fair enough. Question for a question then, if you'd be so good as to satisfy my curiosity: do you feel that there is a concerning rise of the far-right in Europe and the US right now and why/why not? Edited 16 August 2018 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 3 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Fair enough. Question for a question then, if you'd be so good as to satisfy my curiosity: do you feel that there is a concerning rise of the far-right in Europe and the US right now and why/why not? I'd say hard right rather than far-right. Far right us white supremacy, there are many non whites who agree with the populist right parties being elected. Happening for a variety of reasons, mainly austerity in Southern Europe, a shocking attempt at changing demographic without consent in Central Europe and Scandinavian and in Eastern Europe a pretty much sensible idea of looking at what is happening here and them deciding they don't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 5 minutes ago, MattP said: "Attention has focused on a 2014 Morning Star article, in which he wrote that "wreaths were laid at the graves of those who died on that day and on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991". Who were the others @l444ry https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 44 minutes ago, MattP said: He won a Nobel peace prize Errrr....shouldn't we wait for the court case? Why do you always seek to defend with "Whataboutism" - it's in almost every post from you now. Yeah let's watch a meltdown by voting for someone who is totally mental. You are actually no better than a Trump loyalist Buce, it's almost laughable how you try and come over so high and mighty. Call for people who disagree with you to die, urge votes for bigots, then shout how cruel others are. Pathetic. Looks like you're melting down already at the mere thought of it. Maybe you should take a break from here for the sake of your blood pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 2 minutes ago, l444ry said: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row So who are the others? In your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 Margaret Hodge just on Sky News saying “it’s a fine line between being pro-Palestinian and anti-Semitic” how do these people get the time of day?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l444ry Posted 16 August 2018 Share Posted 16 August 2018 1 minute ago, MattP said: So who are the others? In your opinion. I just go by the fact check data from reputable sites. I certainly wouldn't go running to the Daily Mail for a factual account, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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