davieG Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 The Premier League has been awarded a High Court order for the forthcoming 2017-18 season, which will help it combat the illegal streaming of games. The blocking order will require UK Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to prevent people from illegally accessing streams of its matches. It will allow the league to combat the illicit sale and use of devices such as pre-loaded IPTV and Kodi boxes. A similar order was obtained for the final two months of the 2016-17 season. That saw more than 5,000 server IP addresses blocked that had previously been streaming Premier League content. Sky and BT Sport hold the live rights for Premier League football. The two firms paid a record £5.136bn for rights to show live matches for three seasons. The English top flight League is currently undertaking its biggest ever copyright protection programme. Its anti-piracy efforts have also contributed to a range of prominent apps and add-ons being closed down as the law catches up with them. "This blocking order is a game-changer in our efforts to tackle the supply and use of illicit streams of our content," said Premier League Director of Legal Services, Kevin Plumb. "It will allow us to quickly and effectively block and disrupt the illegal broadcast of Premier League football via any means, including so called 'pre-loaded Kodi boxes'. "The protection of our copyright, and the investment made by our broadcast partners, is hugely important to the Premier League and the future health of English football."
tom27111 Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 Happens numerous times a season, there's always a way around it.
AKCJ Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 Now then with the increase of the money they will get from this will we see reduced prices? A streaming service? Will we bollocks. People stream the games because the prices are too high and the games chosen for your team are few and far between. How about instead of blocking people from viewing cheap/free content you look at why people do it? I've said it a million times. A Sports Netflix will do wonders. Look at what streaming sites like Amazon Prime and Netflix have done to the movie and television market.
Adster Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 6 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Now then with the increase of the money they will get from this will we see reduced prices? A streaming service? Will we bollocks. People stream the games because the prices are too high and the games chosen for your team are few and far between. How about instead of blocking people from viewing cheap/free content you look at why people do it? I've said it a million times. A Sports Netflix will do wonders. Look at what streaming sites like Amazon Prime and Netflix have done to the movie and television market. Bang on. There is a reason why most people stream illegally and that's because the prices for subscriptions to these channels are quite frankly ridiculous. It's their own fvcking fault. Like they don't get enough money anyway. Eventually once they finally realise illegal streaming will always be a thing whilst they're so damn expensive, they might lower than prices or offer subscriptions for just matches to a single club.
MrSpaM Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 They need to offer a simple solution where a person can subscribe to a single teams matches and nothing else at a reasonable price, that's the only thing that's going to help, but they won't do it
Adster Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 1 minute ago, MrSpaM said: They need to offer a simple solution where a person can subscribe to a single teams matches and nothing else at a reasonable price, that's the only thing that's going to help, but they won't do it Agreed. I still cannot believe they don't cover all matches, and have all games available. I think of it as like purchasing a Leicester City season ticket through Sky, so you can just watch all Leicester Away matches on it. That would be great and affordable, but they'd probably pull in less revenue so unless they're seriously bothered about illegal streams they won't do it. It's all about the £££££
MrSpaM Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 Just now, Adster said: Agreed. I still cannot believe they don't cover all matches, and have all games available. I think of it as like purchasing a Leicester City season ticket through Sky, so you can just watch all Leicester Away matches on it. That would be great and affordable, but they'd probably pull in less revenue so unless they're seriously bothered about illegal streams they won't do it. It's all about the £££££ I would happily pay £100 a year for a dongle that plugs into your tv and allows you to watch all our live games in HD and nothing else They aren't making any money out of me at the moment so it's a no brainer to offer something like that as far as I'm concerned. It wouldn't completely get rid of the problem but at least they'd be getting some money from the people who aren't willing to pay for their massively overpriced packages
davieG Posted 27 July 2017 Author Posted 27 July 2017 As much as I'm for the idea is club ST as I think it was @Webbo said if the money paid to clubs is based on those ST sales clubs like us would lose out massively and the gap at the top would get even bigger. Theyre already trying to get a bigger slice of the overseas revenue. So be careful what you wish for.
Adster Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 1 minute ago, MrSpaM said: I would happily pay £100 a year for a dongle that plugs into your tv and allows you to watch all our live games in HD and nothing else They aren't making any money out of me at the moment so it's a no brainer to offer something like that as far as I'm concerned. It wouldn't completely get rid of the problem but at least they'd be getting some money from the people who aren't willing to pay for their massively overpriced packages Absolutely. I think they'd worry though about people cancelling their full subscription though and going for the cheaper alternative. Whether that would balance out on people like me and you (I'd happily pay that also, and I don't give them anything currently), I'm not so sure. Just now, davieG said: As much as I'm for the idea is club ST as I think it was @Webbo said if the money paid to clubs is based on those ST sales clubs like us would lose out massively and the gap at the top would get even bigger. Theyre already trying to get a bigger slice of the overseas revenue. So be careful what you wish for. Great point to be fair, never really though about it like that. Clubs like Man Utd would probably get millions of people pay for an away season ticket from people all over the world. Whereas the smaller clubs would not.
Danizen Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 Firstly, they need to abandon the 3pm blackout. It's a pointless antiquity. Many fans would be all too happy to pay a reasonable price for a reliable service but not one where more than half of the games are missing. A lot of people do already use paid-for illegal streams or access foreign coverage with a VPN so the market is definitely there and I'm amazed that Sky and BT aren't pushing hard for an end to the blackout. If they close down the illegal streams without providing a viable alternative, it might turn hundreds of thousands of people away from watching Premier League football in this country which would be a disaster. It seems unlikely but look what has happened to the Champions League since it's been on BT. There is total apathy towards the group stages and if your team isn't involved, only a passing interest before the final.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 1 minute ago, MrSpaM said: I would happily pay £100 a year for a dongle that plugs into your tv and allows you to watch all our live games in HD and nothing else They aren't making any money out of me at the moment so it's a no brainer to offer something like that as far as I'm concerned. It wouldn't completely get rid of the problem but at least they'd be getting some money from the people who aren't willing to pay for their massively overpriced packages This. I'd pay whatever the going rate for Sky Sports is (£50 a month? ish) just to be able to watch all Leicester matches in HD. Absolutely no point in me paying for Sky Sports as it is, if we're only showing a small handful of games per season. Can't be arsed watching games that don't involve my team, just can't get into it and the "derbies" are almost always a huge anti-climax, and who the fvck is watching Bournemouth vs Stoke?
davieG Posted 27 July 2017 Author Posted 27 July 2017 6 minutes ago, Adster said: Agreed. I still cannot believe they don't cover all matches, and have all games available. I think of it as like purchasing a Leicester City season ticket through Sky, so you can just watch all Leicester Away matches on it. That would be great and affordable, but they'd probably pull in less revenue so unless they're seriously bothered about illegal streams they won't do it. It's all about the £££££ I think the limit on games shown is probably down to the PL and the FA at least it's the FA that have the Saturday 3pm restriction and I'm applied the number of games restriction when they first started to show live games.
AKCJ Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 20 minutes ago, MrSpaM said: I would happily pay £100 a year for a dongle that plugs into your tv and allows you to watch all our live games in HD and nothing else They aren't making any money out of me at the moment so it's a no brainer to offer something like that as far as I'm concerned. It wouldn't completely get rid of the problem but at least they'd be getting some money from the people who aren't willing to pay for their massively overpriced packages £100 a year is 8 per month. That's unrealistically cheap IMO. Personally I'd rather a system where I buy a box or a dongle or whatever for, say, £20 and I pay about £5 per game is a better alternative.
EnglishOxide Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 They've shafted the UK football fan for too long. Almost the whole world get 3pm kick offs to any game they desire, a product we as fans helped create, whilst we have to resort to illegal methods. Or pay £100 a month to get access to games you aren't that interested in to line up the pockets of Mr Rooney to waddle around the ****ing centre circle on £300k a week. There's people starving in the world. **** them. It's on Sky/BT/PL to get legislation changed (for 3pm kickoffs) to offer a proper service, but it's not in their interest because they are still making too much money. Streaming will carry on and rightly so.
AKCJ Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 4 minutes ago, EnglishOxide said: They've shafted the UK football fan for too long. Almost the whole world get 3pm kick offs to any game they desire, a product we as fans helped create, whilst we have to resort to illegal methods. Or pay £100 a month to get access to games you aren't that interested in to line up the pockets of Mr Rooney to waddle around the ****ing centre circle on £300k a week. There's people starving in the world. **** them. It's on Sky/BT/PL to get legislation changed (for 3pm kickoffs) to offer a proper service, but it's not in their interest because they are still making too much money. Streaming will carry on and rightly so. The 3pm blackout is all that's keeping non-league and lower league clubs alive.
WigstonWanderer Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 It does seem like the UK has the worst of all possible worlds. Not only the 3pm blackout, but what matches are actually broadcast are over 2 different providers. No doubt they claim that to be "competitive". In my view it is the very opposite as it is designed to screw every last quid out of a captive audience.
davieG Posted 27 July 2017 Author Posted 27 July 2017 11 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: It does seem like the UK has the worst of all possible worlds. Not only the 3pm blackout, but what matches are actually broadcast are over 2 different providers. No doubt they claim that to be "competitive". In my view it is the very opposite as it is designed to screw every last quid out of a captive audience. Well you can blame the EU for the laughable justification for the sky/bt split on the basis of competition.
WigstonWanderer Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 How anyone can call this competition is beyond me. It is the very opposite. Competition is supposed to deliver a service at lowest cost to the consumer. This maximises revenue to the PL. True competition would involve 2 providers with rights to show all the matches, both competing for viewers.
urban.spaceman Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 The music and film industry resisted their consumer's desire to use superior technology, then what happened? iTunes and Netflix beat HMV and Virgin Records. When will the football industry learn from the mistakes of others?
TAFKA Castroneves Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 GIve it twenty years and no-one will be able to afford it, it's not going to get cheaper that's for sure...the price is too much now and that's why a 1/3 of fans end up streaming already, if they did some simple maths then they'd make more money with more happy customers if they charged less - but nope it's them telling us what the premier league is worth so it'll all end in tears eventually. But looking on the plus side if it all does get too expensive, half the games end up being played in America or something daft - we'll all just end up heading out to more non-league games as it'll still be competitvily priced - and it's actually more about the football anyways. Imagine turning up to watch a conference side with 20,000 there, it would be like the good old days before the money grabbing pricks at sky started ruining football
Guest BlueBrett Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 I watch streams cos I like looking at the Ads at the side during uninspiring passages of play
grobyfox1990 Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: The 3pm blackout is all that's keeping non-league and lower league clubs alive. Very true - if Sky/BT had their way, of course they'd want to televise all 3pm games, in fact I her they lobby the Govt heavily to do this. Subscription rates and profits would go through the roof and the current TV deal would look like absolute pocket change. By keeping the current amount of televised football as it is (c.40% of PL games I think) the FA is showing it actually still has a backbone and cares about all levels of the game and not just Murdochs back pocket. If people could watch all PL games live - attendances at League 1 and below matches would be virtually zero, who would go and stand on a terrace at Hinckley at 3pm on a Saturday if you could watch 7 live PL games at the pub. Long may the 3pm blackout continue, football exists away from the PL.
MrSpaM Posted 27 July 2017 Posted 27 July 2017 It's also worth noting that the same thing is happening with sports tv as what as happened with MP3 downloads and the alleged effect it is having on the music business, as well as the movie business If you actually read into it, pirated music is having absolute zero effect on the money record companies are making, they are actually making more money now then ever before, but they constantly push this idea that pirated music is killing their business. They also claimed it would push the prices of CD's up, when CD's have actually come down in price since MP3's were a thing The exact same thing also happened when VHS's originally came out, the movie industry claimed that it would kill cinema ticket sales, and in turn ruin movies as a whole. Now summer blockbusters are making billions every year and pirated films aren't even denting their profits in the slightest, and this is still going on to this day. They keep claiming it's ruining things but it simply isnt Sky are now pushing the agenda that pirate sports streams are killing their business, when the reality is they are making more money now than ever before, they just simply want more money. They want to close the entire thing off so that they are the sole people in control, so they can charge whatever they like. It's never going to happen, they need to evolve with the times and offer the public alternatives to illegal streaming, instead of trying to scare monger people into buying their current, overpriced solution Unfortunately the only way they can find any middle ground is to lower their prices and offer services people actually want, services the pirates are offering, something they aren't willing to do purely out of greed. The music industry has managed to find a way by offering streaming services such as spotify at competitive prices, as have movies with netflix and amazon video We basically need the netflix of sport to happen. How that will actually happen I don't know, but that is the next evolution
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