Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[bovril]

13 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Wait until you hear what ethno Nazi @sexybabe1k5 has to say and you might change your mind 

she's just a classical liberal

[CornwallFox]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

But when you are getting banned for opinions, and not being personal with someone it’s a bit meh. 
 

 

Yeah I get you, I got banned for giving an opinion on reforms level of racism. It's my opinion. There was no argument. It isn't illegal to think what I think. It got me banned. It's very meh 

[kenny]

12 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

To be clear - I said Starmer was solving those problems, which is categorically true, not that they were already 'fixed'. Brexit and 15 years of conservative ideology will take decades to properly recover from.

 

Rejoining the EU at the earliest opportunity is the best thing this country could do for itself, aside from exiling Farage. We all know it's inevitable so we might as well get it over and done with. 

If he can solve them out of the EU then they clearly aren't an EU problem but a government of the day problem. Weirdly, this 'disingenuous' view isn't one that you will consider.

 

I would be up for rejoining the EU simply to help people such as yourself and @CornwallFox realise it isn't a magic panacea.

 

I've seen a figure of 6% GDP loss quoted  or 120bn which is 4% GDP in the same sentence, both figures have no basis, it's probably 1-2% at most, but as it's made up I would go for a higher %, why not?

[LCFCJohn]

8 minutes ago, kenny said:

If he can solve them out of the EU then they clearly aren't an EU problem but a government of the day problem. Weirdly, this 'disingenuous' view isn't one that you will consider.

 

I would be up for rejoining the EU simply to help people such as yourself and @CornwallFox realise it isn't a magic panacea.

 

I've seen a figure of 6% GDP loss quoted  or 120bn which is 4% GDP in the same sentence, both figures have no basis, it's probably 1-2% at most, but as it's made up I would go for a higher %, why not?

Out of interest, what do you think the answer is? Thats not intended to come across abrasive or anything but a genuine question as tone is hard to interpret when written.

[kenny]

4 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Out of interest, what do you think the answer is? Thats not intended to come across abrasive or anything but a genuine question as tone is hard to interpret when written.

I work in construction and we are in a recession equivalent to 2008. It's a mostly self inflicted recession borne out of a lack of cash for investment in the economy due to the current government. The interest rates going up in 2024 slowed things, but labour have really done a job on us.

 

As for immigration and small boats, I am satisfied that it is as resolved as it gets. Whether you credit Mahmood or older policy changes from Sunaks time making the difference is up to you, but it's as good as under control IMO.

[LCFCJohn]

45 minutes ago, kenny said:

I work in construction and we are in a recession equivalent to 2008. It's a mostly self inflicted recession borne out of a lack of cash for investment in the economy due to the current government. The interest rates going up in 2024 slowed things, but labour have really done a job on us.

 

As for immigration and small boats, I am satisfied that it is as resolved as it gets. Whether you credit Mahmood or older policy changes from Sunaks time making the difference is up to you, but it's as good as under control IMO.

In terms of Brexit, I was and am of the view we should have remained. So many promises were made by a certain Mr Farage and his campaign and I don’t think there is any case to suggest we are better off as a country as a result. But in balance, there’s been significant events such as Covid and Ukraine so it’d be unfair to suggest things are entirely down to Brexit as these factors would have had a massive effect on the country anyway.

 

No doubt things are a struggle and particular sectors. Sorry to hear yours is one of them. I think getting the economy moving and particularly the crisis with young people and employment is a big one that this or the next government needs to address. 
 

I suppose it’s a case of we were no doubt in a bad position as a country in 2024 anyway and there’s definitely been things that have positively been improved elsewhere such as NHS waiting times. I do think any government needs time to try and make a difference. Obviously the last government had 14 years so it is fair to judge them.

 

I do wonder what people (not saying you) expect from Reform. Will they be held to a similar standard after 2 years?

[leicsmac]

The only difference between a US fundamentalist and a member of the Afghan Taliban, in terms of their attitude towards governance and the rights of other people, is the sophistication level of their methods. 

[Tommy G]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The only difference between a US fundamentalist and a member of the Afghan Taliban, in terms of their attitude towards governance and the rights of other people, is the sophistication level of their methods. 

I think this falls under the provocative post category and you should retract it. I'm not sure how this can be posted on here and not be moderated? 

[bovril]

13 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The only difference between a US fundamentalist and a member of the Afghan Taliban, in terms of their attitude towards governance and the rights of other people, is the sophistication level of their methods. 

True, stoning is pretty unsophisticated. 

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I think this falls under the provocative post category and you should retract it. I'm not sure how this can be posted on here and not be moderated? 

Well, I guess I'll let other posters and the mod powers that be be the judges of that. I'm happy to accept their judgement either way. 

 

This is the Unpopular Opinions thread after all and I stand by every word I said. I can substantiate it, too, if that isn't possibly crossing a line as well. 

 

4 minutes ago, bovril said:

True, stoning is pretty unsophisticated. 

Exactly. Why get your own hands personally dirty when you have the system can do all the work of control and enforcement for you? Much cleaner, much more deniable. 

 

The attitudes remain mostly aligned, and they don't like each other because there's only room for one at the top. 

Edited 24 June by leicsmac

[fox_up_north]

Given I have met Afghans, I have met very religious yanks and seen some of the values they spread...hard one to fundamentally disagree with.

 

I'd say there's much more in common than they'd like to have you believe. No abortion, women as effective property of the man, fervently following scripture, wishing to convert or ostracise non-believers. 

[danny.]

42 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

Given I have met Afghans, I have met very religious yanks and seen some of the values they spread...hard one to fundamentally disagree with.

 

I'd say there's much more in common than they'd like to have you believe. No abortion, women as effective property of the man, fervently following scripture, wishing to convert or ostracise non-believers. 

One country doesn’t just ostracise non-believers… comparing the Taliban with anyone from the US is just disingenuous misinformation. The very worst of fundamental Christianity isn’t anywhere near on a par with the Taliban Islamists, if you think that you’re woefully uninformed. 

[danny.]

10 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

Yeah I get you, I got banned for giving an opinion on reforms level of racism. It's my opinion. There was no argument. It isn't illegal to think what I think. It got me banned. It's very meh 

I think people get banned for anything that’s going to start/escalate an argument. Which is understandable if not frustrating - it is meant to be a news thread (although it’s become the politics thread of sorts). Having a dedicated politics thread would be an alternative, but it would need a caveat that arguing is allowed, still probably isn’t something the mods of a football forum want the headache of if it is to be moderated. 

Edited 24 June by danny.

[leicsmac]

26 minutes ago, danny. said:

One country doesn’t just ostracise non-believers… comparing the Taliban with anyone from the US is just disingenuous misinformation. The very worst of fundamental Christianity isn’t anywhere near on a par with the Taliban Islamists, if you think that you’re woefully uninformed. 

... this is absolutely true (in terms of attitude, rather than simply methods), with no possible examples to indicate otherwise? 

[worthosoriginals]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

True, stoning is pretty unsophisticated. 

Even if he did say jehovah? 

[lcfcell]

Living under taliban rule sounds amazing if you’re into oppressing women & girls

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, lcfcell said:

Living under taliban rule sounds amazing if you’re into oppressing women & girls

Absolutely. Their attitude towards the rights of everyone who isn't one particular demographic is utterly medieval. 

[Finnegan]

4 hours ago, Tommy G said:

I think this falls under the provocative post category and you should retract it. I'm not sure how this can be posted on here and not be moderated? 

 

Behave. 

 

Aaron Sorkin dubbed them the American Taliban in a mainstream HBO drama almost fifteen years ago and this is as spot on for describing MAGA as it was for describing The Tea Party. 

 

 

 

History definitely won't look favourably on the MAGA Movement or America's fundamentalist "Christians."

 

I don't think what mac said was particularly controversial tbh. Not if you've got the sense to understand his nuance. 

 

It's like the whole Gary Lineker thing. Lineker never said "wow this country is exactly like Nazi Germany", he said (paraphrasing obviously) "some of the rhetoric Suella Braverman is using to talk about "Others" is dangerously reminiscent of Germany in the 30s."

 

Anyone with a brain knew what he meant, the far right just over reacted because it was a convenient way to shut him down. 

 

It's very, very obvious that Mac wasn't actually saying that America treats women and non believers like the Taliban do. But what he implied was that America has a significant group of Christian Fundamentalists who are absolutely terrifying and the only major difference between them and the Taliban is opportunity. Which is a fair statement. 

 

Edited 24 June by Finnegan

[danny.]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

... this is absolutely true (in terms of attitude, rather than simply methods), with no possible examples to indicate otherwise? 

I'm sure you'll find an example of anything if you look hard enough. Not much value in that though, you'd need to look at a significant amount of data and at ideologies and systematic implementation of those. If you can find examples of the very worst USA Churches i.e. Westboro Baptist doing the kind of things – I am not going to go into detail here as I will be banned from here too – that the Taliban do then I'd love to see it.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, danny. said:

I'm sure you'll find an example of anything if you look hard enough. Not much value in that though, you'd need to look at a significant amount of data and at ideologies and systematic implementation of those. If you can find examples of the very worst USA Churches i.e. Westboro Baptist doing the kind of things – I am not going to go into detail here as I will be banned from here too – that the Taliban do then I'd love to see it.

Well, I was thinking more of individual examples of directed violence by such fundamentalists against "other" groups, yes (of which there are quite a few).

 

But on the general topic, @Finnegan above pretty much explains it further very accurately and in detail. 

[Innovindil]

Past time the police allowed us to mow down these moped thieving nobbers and remove them from the collective gene pool. 

[danny.]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Well, I was thinking more of individual examples of directed violence by such fundamentalists against "other" groups, yes (of which there are quite a few).

I'm not sure what the value of that is though, in response to the post I made that you replied to. You can find examples of almost anything in almost any demographic or system. I'm sure there is someone in the Taliban who has done lots of very nice things and a Buddhist monk that is a serial killer.

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Past time the police allowed us to mow down these moped thieving nobbers and remove them from the collective gene pool. 

And their organs would be much more useful in someone else's body, too.

 

Another benefit. 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, danny. said:

I'm not sure what the value of that is though, in response to the post I made that you replied to. You can find examples of almost anything in almost any demographic or system. I'm sure there is someone in the Taliban who has done lots of very nice things and a Buddhist monk that is a serial killer.

Agreed, which does again bring us back to the general point I made in the OP, which was generously elaborated on further below. 

[Kisnorbo fox]

On 23/06/2026 at 23:35, CornwallFox said:

Yeah I get you, I got banned for giving an opinion on reforms level of racism. It's my opinion. There was no argument. It isn't illegal to think what I think. It got me banned. It's very meh 

Yeah I also got banned for stating that a lot of people on the left cry the generic buzz word “racism” when someone slightly right of centre dare give there opinion on the current state of the country…. “The far right” is another common un- justified coined phrase from the left aswell 😂 

Edited 24 June by Kisnorbo fox