If you get into the drop zone, you better start planning your holidays

[4fuxsake]

Looks like the owners have one simple rule.

"If you get into the drop zone, you better start planning your holidays"

 

And if I was the owner, I would do the same. Shakes had to go.

You are required to be ruthless. The owner, must be ruthless with the management and management ruthless with the players

 

Now the question is how long do you give the new manager?  I would give him until New Years, if we are still in drop zone,.

Find someone else, start culling the squad and bring others in.

 

This is not going to be easy.

 

[Monsell1976]

1 minute ago, 4fuxsake said:

Looks like the owners have one simple rule.

"If you get into the drop zone, you better start planning your holidays"

 

And if I was the owner, I would do the same. Shakes had to go.

You are required to be ruthless. The owner, must be ruthless with the management and management ruthless with the players

 

Now the question is how long do you give the new manager?  I would give him until New Years, if we are still in drop zone,.

Find someone else, start culling the squad and bring others in.

 

This is not going to be easy.

 

Can we employ someone first, before we discuss sacking them  

[RoboFox]

[4fuxsake]

8 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

Can we employ someone first, before we discuss sacking them  

Nope. Lets see what Appleton does in the next couple of games.

Hopefully he can teach them how to pass the ball going forward.

 

I'd gladly take 10k a week to pass the ball to the keeper

[norwichfox]

28 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

Can we employ someone first, before we discuss sacking them  

Not necessary, this is Foxes Talk

[The Doctor]

Pearson survived months rock bottom - what I'm seeing are owners who can recognise when a position is false and where coming good is realistic  (Pearson), and when a sides in a tailspin  (Raineri) or is defending itself to relegation (Shakespeare), not a knee jerk "in bottom three, bin em" (not least since Raineri was sacked before we hit the bottom three)

[mozartfox]

33 minutes ago, 4fuxsake said:

Looks like the owners have one simple rule.

"If you get into the drop zone, you better start planning your holidays"

 

And if I was the owner, I would do the same. Shakes had to go.

You are required to be ruthless. The owner, must be ruthless with the management and management ruthless with the players

 

Now the question is how long do you give the new manager?  I would give him until New Years, if we are still in drop zone,.

Find someone else, start culling the squad and bring others in.

 

This is not going to be easy.

 

TRUE -  but being ruthless should surely extend to disposing of non-performing off field Management personnel too??

[4fuxsake]

Just now, mozartfox said:

TRUE -  but being ruthless should surely extend to disposing of non-performing off field Management personnel too??

Absolutely, whoever made some of these buying decisions, should be buried under a car park, 

[ajthefox]

I think they knew giving Shakey the job was always going to be a risk because he's never been number one before and since the initial new manager bounce, they have seen the same thing most of us have seen: uninspired and often tactically poor football and a bad run of results.

 

Last time I looked on Monday night the poll on Shakey staying/going was about 75% in favour of giving him the boot. It's easy for us to say he should be sacked from our seats but if that many fans want him gone, it's not that ruthless really, is it?

[Livid]

1 hour ago, 4fuxsake said:

Looks like the owners have one simple rule.

"If you get into the drop zone, you better start planning your holidays"

 

And if I was the owner, I would do the same. Shakes had to go.

You are required to be ruthless. The owner, must be ruthless with the management and management ruthless with the players

 

Now the question is how long do you give the new manager?  I would give him until New Years, if we are still in drop zone,.

Find someone else, start culling the squad and bring others in.

 

This is not going to be easy.

 

We effectively have no central midfield, if we're still in the drop zone at the end of December I won't be shocked.

[joachim1965]

It's not just about being in the drop zone though is it, if the performances were decent but we just wasn't getting the rub of the green then shakey would still be in charge. The performances were woeful and he showed no sign of having the ability to turn it around.

[jumbo747]

59 minutes ago, 4fuxsake said:

Nope. Lets see what Appleton does in the next couple of games.

Hopefully he can teach them how to pass the ball going forward.

 

I'd gladly take 10k a week to pass the ball to the keeper

Right with you. So, er, he's been doing what for the past few months ?

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, 4fuxsake said:

Looks like the owners have one simple rule.

"If you get into the drop zone, you better start planning your holidays"

 

And if I was the owner, I would do the same. Shakes had to go.

You are required to be ruthless. The owner, must be ruthless with the management and management ruthless with the players

 

Now the question is how long do you give the new manager?  I would give him until New Years, if we are still in drop zone,.

Find someone else, start culling the squad and bring others in.

 

This is not going to be easy.

 

So you're going to employ a manager and then sack him if we can't get out of the bottom three? Surely no manager with half a brain would apply to the club. 

 

We need stability, someone with fresh ideas who isn't scared to get rid of some of these players. Ruthless I agree.

[4fuxsake]

9 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

So you're going to employ a manager and then sack him if we can't get out of the bottom three? Surely no manager with half a brain would apply to the club. 

 

We need stability, someone with fresh ideas who isn't scared to get rid of some of these players. Ruthless I agree.

Are you kidding me. 1 mill payout for 2 months work. They'll be lining up.

 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

Pearson survived months rock bottom - what I'm seeing are owners who can recognise when a position is false and where coming good is realistic  (Pearson), and when a sides in a tailspin  (Raineri) or is defending itself to relegation (Shakespeare), not a knee jerk "in bottom three, bin em" (not least since Raineri was sacked before we hit the bottom three)

Some intelligent insight on Foxestalk, instead of a sweeping oversimplifiaction. praise the Lord! Or am I in a parallel universe?

[Fox92]

20 minutes ago, 4fuxsake said:

Are you kidding me. 1 mill payout for 2 months work. They'll be lining up.

 

I'm pretty sure reputation comes above making a little money.

[anotherharboroughfox]

2 hours ago, 4fuxsake said:

 

Now the question is how long do you give the new manager?  I would give him until New Years, if we are still in drop zone,.

Find someone else, start culling the squad and bring others in.

 

It'll be the same old 'give them time to build a squad' and then after a string of bad results most will want them sacked     

 

We're a bit of a circus atm. How Ruskin is still employed is beyond comprehension.

[KingsX]

The on-field overhaul this club needs includes major changes not only to formations and tactics, but to personnel.  Using key players who have little or no game experience in the XI and need to learn how to play with each other, in new system(s).

 

This cannot be put into place in six weeks, much less judged for the future.  If you junk it and restart the cycle you are no further ahead, and you enter the next window with half-clues about which system you are recruiting for, or even how your existing talent fits.

 

Worse, you kill your ability to bring in just the type and caliber of manager you need to fulfill your ambitions.  In just eight months, this club has fired two managers with respectable WDL records.  Arguably justifiable in either individual case.  But a pattern is now clear which points to the top.  No big name, quality manager will consider going where the first poor run of results guarantees the sack.  Especially a club that needs sweeping change, which takes some time.

 

Players also want to avoid churn.  Organizations that keep thrashing because of cluelessness at the top SUCK to work for, in sport or elsewhere.  Considered change is necessary, but new bosses and restarts over and over are hugely demotivating.  You will have to overpay -- by a lot -- for proven talent both on and off the field  Even then you will not get the best, because they have better options.  See: Browns, Cleveland.

 

A nice strategy to provide some distraction from the real problem.  That you, John-Boy?

[Harry - LCFC]

This is the definitely the funniest thread we've had recently 

 

It's effectively an "[Insert Name] Out?" thread!