Ndidi vs Iborra

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

Would be an interesting fight.

 

kind of Batman vs Superman

[Buzzell]

Would love to see an Ndidi and Iborra partnership with Silva in the CAM role.

[Alf Bentley]

39 minutes ago, FIF said:

Ndidi is proving to be a better defender than Kanté and he has a threat in the opposition's box too. He's going to be another player that'll be difficult to hold onto. Better than Yaya Touré in his prime. I like Iborra he has class but he makes as many errors as Ndidi even though he has so much more experience and he doesn't have the pace or tenacity of Ndidi.

 

Having said that With Mahrez gone I'd consider dropping Albrighton to the bench and playing Ndidi, Iborra, Silva and Diabaté in midfield with Iheanacho as a link to Vardy.

 

I salivate at the possibilities post Mahrez.

 

Who would you play wide aside from Diabaté? The other 3 are central midfielders of various types, surely?

 

I suppose you could switch formation to a diamond, with the full-backs getting forward more - Chilwell & Amartey/Albrighton? Can't imagine Simmo or Fuchs fitting into that.

Alternatively, 3-5-2 with Ndidi, Iborra & Silva central, say Diabaté & Albrighton wide, Nacho & Jamie up-front? We do now have centre backs mobile enough to play 3 at the back: Maguire, Drago, Wes (central), Fuchs, Amartey....

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Who would you play wide aside from Diabaté? The other 3 are central midfielders of various types, surely?

 

I suppose you could switch formation to a diamond, with the full-backs getting forward more - Chilwell & Amartey/Albrighton? Can't imagine Simmo or Fuchs fitting into that.

Alternatively, 3-5-2 with Ndidi, Iborra & Silva central, say Diabaté & Albrighton wide, Nacho & Jamie up-front? We do now have centre backs mobile enough to play 3 at the back: Maguire, Drago, Wes (central), Fuchs, Amartey....

I think this idea of central and wide is a handicap to play. After all we have to defend wherever the opposition play their players and we should be attacking where they are weak.

 

Ndidi and Iborra for me are the defensive - based midfielders, they fill in when Maguire goes forward and they are there to disrupt any attacks. Both are capable of going forward and threats on set pieces. Silva is my playmaker, he links the defence and the attack, he harries on defence wherever he has to. Diabaté floats from side to side and through the centre linking with silva and nacho. He overloads whichever side we want to attack down.

 

Jamie does what he always does and sits on the shoulder of the last defender whilst Nacho can move up alongside him or drop back to Silva.

 

The game is moving towards fluidity of position, 2 wingers has really hurt us at times over the last couple of years - especially when it's a player who can't/won't defend like Mahrez (less so with Albrighton but his crossing is inconsistent) making our centre weak and overrun.

 

My concern is our FBs. I don't think we need 3 at the back and WBs as many/most teams only play one man up front so I believe the way forward is 2 men at the back and wing backs, especially when we have Iborra and Ndidi who can slip into the back line and help out. Simpson is not a player for the new age and the only reason I like Fuchs is for his long throw and crossing ability. I'm happy with Chilwell on the left but I'm not sure whether Amartey is the player for the right (though I think he's better suited than Simpson).

[M0901]

You've got to have Ndidi and one other. He's a much different player to the others and his ability to win the ball is brilliant.

 

Silva edges it for me as he does a lot of leg work to help him out. Plus he's a technically better footballer than Iborra and James.

 

It is refreshing to have four very capable midfield players though!!!

[lgfualol]

One of the first names on the team sheet for me. How can we be talking about potentially dropping the league's top tackler by a fair bit..

[teblin]

I'd play ibbora, Silva and wilf at city next weekend!

[Tom12345]

4 hours ago, MattP said:

N'Didi is tremendous at tackling and interceptions but his ball retention and passing is often horrific, that first touch yesterday that ended above his head has to go if he wants to play top level.

 

Shame we can't combine the qualities of the two. 

Agree. That was it for me. It was like watching high school football with that first touch.

[Tom12345]

1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Would be an interesting fight.

 

kind of Batman vs Superman

I am not sure it is really that. Iborra in my view is also great defensively. He gets into position to make interception or forces bad passing from the other side. I really think people dont appreciate his defensive qualities enough. 

[Tom12345]

10 hours ago, Wookie said:

A Silva/Iborra pivot would be abysmal defensively in the league as they don’t cover ground well enough. N’Didi has to play.

I think Iborra covers just as much ground seamlessly

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

2 hours ago, FIF said:

Ndidi is proving to be a better defender than Kanté and he has a threat in the opposition's box too. He's going to be another player that'll be difficult to hold onto. Better than Yaya Touré in his prime. I like Iborra he has class but he makes as many errors as Ndidi even though he has so much more experience and he doesn't have the pace or tenacity of Ndidi.

 

Having said that With Mahrez gone I'd consider dropping Albrighton to the bench and playing Ndidi, Iborra, Silva and Diabaté in midfield with Iheanacho as a link to Vardy.

 

I salivate at the possibilities post Mahrez.

Better than Yaya Toure in his prime?

 

Eh?

 

Even just solely for his defending this is an amazing statement.

Edited 4 February 2018 by Abrasive fox

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

5 hours ago, MattP said:

N'Didi is tremendous at tackling and interceptions but his ball retention and passing is often horrific, that first touch yesterday that ended above his head has to go if he wants to play top level.

 

Shame we can't combine the qualities of the two. 

remimded me of Frank Sinclair that touch.

[FoxFossil]

Young Ndidi is not the finished article but definitely improving. Ideal partnership with Puel and coaching team who have a strong reputation for bringing youngsters on. If owners stick with Puel and co, we could be fantastic in 12 months time. Believe!

[fuchsntf]

9 hours ago, Babylon said:

Iborra is every bit as inconsistent I'm afraid, one good thing usually followed up by a piss poor pass to the opposition.

Taking, the ops Side, Ndidi does miss out on 2nd Ball,and has Made a few piss poor Passes

also to the Opposition.

I wouldnt mind to to see if Iborra/Silva/James,set up could,give us an alternative..

I dont want us to Go through this new era,depending again in any single Player.

@tom12345 ,imo gives Up an interesting different Perspective.

Under Puel,we're Seen Ndidi being more commited, to Push forward and looking

to get into scoring chances positions. So we are seeing developement. 

Iborra, or a.n.other gives us Variations.

Plus future buys,are to be taken into account.

 

 

 

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, teblin said:

I'd play ibbora, Silva and wilf at city next weekend!

Ditto....very ditto

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, FIF said:

Ndidi is proving to be a better defender than Kanté and he has a threat in the opposition's box too. He's going to be another player that'll be difficult to hold onto. Better than Yaya Touré in his prime. I like Iborra he has class but he makes as many errors as Ndidi even though he has so much more experience and he doesn't have the pace or tenacity of Ndidi.

 

Having said that With Mahrez gone I'd consider dropping Albrighton to the bench and playing Ndidi, Iborra, Silva and Diabaté in midfield with Iheanacho as a link to Vardy.

 

I salivate at the possibilities post Mahrez.

I am Desperate to get my 3 man midfield..Iborra/Silva/Ndidi,

Then alternate. Diabete/Gray/Albrighton,linking with Nacho Like you say. 

 

Then you have those Same 3,also according to who you have benched, 

any of the benched 2 can,be seen also has subs for Nacho,competing

With Okazaki. 

We need to reasses without Mahrez,but if Out of this crazy Last 2 weeks,

Mahrez Carries on his City career....thats gravy!!

But Yesterday,I Seen IMO a new Set Up,that gives us also a damn good future

Without Mahrez.Alot of posters yesterday,were Not seeing the bigger picture.

We were not lucky with the result,but we got considering the Last week, the

Performance.  Full Marks for Puel and co.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

2 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Would be an interesting fight.

 

kind of Batman vs Superman

 

1 hour ago, Tom12345 said:

I am not sure it is really that. Iborra in my view is also great defensively. He gets into position to make interception or forces bad passing from the other side. I really think people dont appreciate his defensive qualities enough. 

 

My point was in reference to the two going at it... had nothing to do with football.

[Tringfox]

11 hours ago, Babylon said:

Iborra is every bit as inconsistent I'm afraid, one good thing usually followed up by a piss poor pass to the opposition.

And totally lacking confidence..there are flaws with all our midfielders. We really lack a creative midfielder who can go by players and open up the play.  

[Leamington Fox]

13 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

In my humble view, Ndidi is still too raw. He is good in terms of running around and getting back on defence, but he turns the ball over too much. His passing is not accurate and even if he completes them his teammates would often have to slow down or track back to get them. At other times, he just overkicks or underkicks. His choice of passing is often suspect and he passes back when he should be looking forward. In other words, he interrupts play too much. It is not very obvious with him but look closely.

 

Also, he cannot dribble or control the ball well enough to allow first time passes. For example, you would often see that he would lose the ball after receiving a pass because his first touch would result in the ball five feet away or even over his head instead of trapping the ball. He really needs more practice.

 

To be honest, it is a bit frustrating watching him at the moment (not just in the last game but last few months).

 

He has vision though and possesses good physical attributes and he will become a good player in the future.

 

But to me, we clearly need to replace him with Iborra in midfield. Iborra is a proven midfielder with compusure, passing, positioning and smart. I think most would agree that he played really well when he was starting previously so it is baffling why he cannot get a minute in the league recently.

 

Thoughts?

I'm afraid you've got this totally wrong.  Ndidi is superb already and will be a £50M+ player by the end of the season.  I really rate Iborra, but Ndidi is probably the first or second name on the team sheet for me.

[Leamington Fox]

6 hours ago, jamesmilner said:

Ndidi v his youth !!!! Bad miss yesterday and costly (easier to score , 2-0 game over ) . Yes he can not pass as like the others and needs composure . He will be better with experience . And a mature finished Ndidi (few years yet) will be better than the finished article Iborra . 

It was Iheanacho who missed the almost open goal, not Ndidi.  Ndidi finished brilliantly, but it was offside.

[Slim Dog]

Ndidi is a ****ing monster.

[Blue ROI]

N'Didi is a guaranteed starter for us. He's a bit rough around the edges and he reminds of a horse jumping over a fence when running with the ball but overall us hes a great addition.

 

Iborra has struggled to impose himself since the United game but I'd have felt he was worth more of a run out than what hes had to settle for lately.Would have opted for him over James yesterday when looking for a winner,

[Marutimon]

3 hours ago, Abrasive fox said:

Better than Yaya Toure in his prime?

 

Eh?

 

Even just solely for his defending this is an amazing statement.

Yaya was never as good defensively as Ndidi, but Yaya's ball control and possession play is on a whole other level. But I could see Ndidi add this to his game. And then he would become the undisputed no1 in the world.

[RowlattsFox]

Ndidi is excellent at what he does but passing is not his strength. He gets too desperate at times and tries to complicate it. Doesn’t help that his options are often limited.

[foxinsocks]

Why is this the choice. .  .

Ndidi is a given

 Thread shoukd be ibora v silva v james

 

None  of us woukd start  without ndidi

 

Iboras passes are inconsistant v silva gets caught abd muscled off the balll.... you decide