Iran Vs Portugal

[Leicester_Loyal]

That decision was an absolute disgrace. As was the Pique tackle which didn't even receive a card.

 

VAR has a lot of potential, but this would cup it has been awful. The Tunisia game still winds me up with the penos that we were denied.

[Manwell Pablo]

3 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

What is odd specifically?

 

The notion that we (the British) are considering implementing VAR due to us taking on American ideology when var is being used throughout the world including top European leagues and we are more stand off on using it full time than most.

[Max Wall]

6 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

The notion that we (the British) are considering implementing VAR due to us taking on American ideology when var is being used throughout the world including top European leagues and we are more stand off on using it full time than most.

Artificial entertainment added on. A very American concept. Which is why I referenced the awful 35 yard shootouts in the NASL (something the Americans actually reintroduced into the MSL in the 90's even after it failed once). That was in the 70's long before hawkeye and reviews in tennis and cricket. If people need extra drama to satisfy them, so be it. To me, that's very American. 

I don't just mean the British anyway, the rest of the Western World follows America, doesn't make it right.

Edited 25 June 2018 by Max Wall

[Tuna]

What a spectacle that second half was, foul, overreaction, var rinse and repeat with a bit of football in the middle of it.

 

No idea why the ref gave 6 minutes, the first 2 and a half were messing around with VAR.

 

Shame for Iran but pleased for Adrien Silva.

 

Highlight was Lawro going nuts.

[Max Wall]

1 hour ago, Max Wall said:

 

Call me a cynic, it's my age. Having seen American culture increasingly take over here. I expect a point in the future where football is played in 4 quarters with ad breaks and some twat like Chris Martin singing on the pitch in the intervals.

First school proms and trick or treat, overuse and misuse of the word literally, next four 22 minute quarters.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

The notion that we (the British) are considering implementing VAR due to us taking on American ideology when var is being used throughout the world including top European leagues and we are more stand off on using it full time than most.

Not the point I made really. I didn't mention VAR in my original post. Just a change towards a more American outlook on sport. Presumably with several breaks to enable the hot dog sellers to get rich, the punters to get obese and the drug companies to advertise their wares.

Edited 25 June 2018 by Max Wall

[StanSP]

kinda glad there was VAR controversy.

SkyBet had VAR to be used 2 or more times at 10/1 for this game . Guaranteed with some of the pansies on the pitch these days.

[Manwell Pablo]

1 minute ago, Max Wall said:

 

Not the point I made really. I didn't mention VAR in my original post. Just a change towards a more American outlook on sport.

 

Pretty clearly bought about from tonight’s VAR circus though wasn’t it?

 

Id not view the whole thing as being American driven myself as corporate driven myself. Sport becomes more and more business driven every year, fair enough I agree the Americans have played a big part in showing the world  how to make money out of sport but Murdoch Sky and the PL have mad a huge influence on world sport themselves hence why you won’t see VAR in the PL until it’s been optimised.

[Max Wall]

4 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Pretty clearly bought about from tonight’s VAR circus though wasn’t it?

 

Id not view the whole thing as being American driven myself as corporate driven myself. Sport becomes more and more business driven every year, fair enough I agree the Americans have played a big part in showing the world  how to make money out of sport but Murdoch Sky and the PL have mad a huge influence on world sport themselves hence why you won’t see VAR in the PL until it’s been optimised.

Circus is correct.

Anything corporate driven is/has likely to have been American driven/influenced in the first place. That's kinda my point.

We'll agree to differ on this one though I suspect.

Edited 25 June 2018 by Max Wall

[Manwell Pablo]

2 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

Circus is correct.

Anything corporate driven is/has likely to have been American driven/influenced in the first place. That's kinda my point.

We'll agree to differ on this one though I suspect.

 

 

Ill be the first to admit that game was a poor advert for VAR.

 

In the case of the PL and other predominantly British sports run by the Hearns in particular I’d say no, they retain their own character and are made to appeal to their audience in a completely different manner than a lot of amaerican sports. Thats why VAR has only had cup competition trials in this country and why no televised football games can be shown at 3pm on a Saturday. I think you give them a bit too much credit to suggest they’ve solely laid down a blue print on how to make money from sport.

 

Perhaps we will, world would be a boring place and all that.

[Guest Col city fan]

30 minutes ago, StanSP said:

kinda glad there was VAR controversy.

SkyBet had VAR to be used 2 or more times at 10/1 for this game . Guaranteed with some of the pansies on the pitch these days.

I didn’t realise this. Easy money! 

[Max Wall]

1 hour ago, Max Wall said:

Circus is correct.

Anything corporate driven is/has likely to have been American driven/influenced in the first place. That's kinda my point.

We'll agree to differ on this one though I suspect.

 

 

56 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Ill be the first to admit that game was a poor advert for VAR.

 

In the case of the PL and other predominantly British sports run by the Hearns in particular I’d say no, they retain their own character and are made to appeal to their audience in a completely different manner than a lot of amaerican sports. Thats why VAR has only had cup competition trials in this country and why no televised football games can be shown at 3pm on a Saturday. I think you give them a bit too much credit to suggest they’ve solely laid down a blue print on how to make money from sport.

 

Perhaps we will, world would be a boring place and all that.

This is where I completely disagree. 

Arsenal, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Manchester Utd, Swansea, Barnsley, Millwall, Sunderland. Don't they all have majority shareholders from the USA? Certainly Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal do. If you don't think Americans are influencing decisions within the Premier league then I certainly disagree. 

As for 'British sports' run by the Hearns, which do you mean? Snooker? Yeah, Americans probably don't influence that because they don't care but if you think the big ring entrances and razzamatazz in boxing didn't come in it's entirety from the USA, I'd argue that it did. As did extended build ups to big fights. Sky and others merely followed that lead.

With regards to laying down a blueprint on how to make money from sport, I'd say they 100% did and everything since has followed that blueprint, albeit altered slightly for whatever audience it was shown to and to gain maximum financial benefit.

 

 

Edit - I'd like to clarify, something seems to have been lost in translation here by the way. I don't think you'll find anywhere I've said I'm totally against VAR. I'm against constant stopping and starting of games. VAR, if used correctly, could be  a successful addition to the game.

Edited 25 June 2018 by Max Wall

[Suzie the Fox]

1 hour ago, Max Wall said:

If you're going to go down the route of fundamentally changing the game by stopping it to review, you simply have to get all the decisions correct. Two out of 3 ain't bad for Meatloaf but it's appalling for VAR.

 

Love that song 

[Max Wall]

49 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Love that song 

Glad to have tweaked your memory Suzie. Saw him live at Knebworth in 1985 where he marauded around the stage with his leg in plaster and was utterly hopeless. Also saw him live at Castle Donnington in 1983

where he was also bombarded by bottles of urine which probably didn't help his performance.

Thankfully on both occasions he was a mere support act to those I actually went to see.

Edited 26 June 2018 by Max Wall

[Iran]

The boys did well tonight in a very tricky group! Next Step: Asian Cup!

[Iran]

Adrien Silva did well too with his passing, moving the ball with fluidity, and that play which led to the goal. A shame we didn't get to see Pereira play, but I believe in him getting that starting spot!

[Max Wall]

27 minutes ago, Iran said:

The boys did well tonight in a very tricky group! Next Step: Asian Cup!

A very spirited performance against both Spain and Portugal. Not to mention a win against Morocco. 

[Iran]

1 minute ago, Max Wall said:

A very spirited performance against both Spain and Portugal. Not to mention a win against Morocco. 

Well we can't take all the credit against Morocco , but against Spain and Portugal we really played well when they scored on us and the game opened up. Thank you for for the compliment mate! I wish the all the best to your team at the World Cup! 

[Suzie the Fox]

1 hour ago, Max Wall said:

Glad to have tweaked your memory Suzie. Saw him live at Knebworth in 1985 where he marauded around the stage with his leg in plaster and was utterly hopeless. Also saw him live at Castle Donnington in 1983

where he was also bombarded by bottles of urine which probably didn't help his performance.

Thankfully on both occasions he was a mere support act to those I actually went to see.

 

Lol..Bombarded by urine.. Not one of my favourite pastimes i have to admit. Probably not for him either

 

Memorising is making me feel old now, and im guessing you are a similar age to me. Never went to Knebworth but i did do Monsters of Rock at Donnington a couple of times  

[Alf Bentley]

Bombarded by bottles of urine? It was like a vat out of hell for Meatloaf...

[Max Wall]

3 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Lol..Bombarded by urine.. Not one of my favourite pastimes i have to admit. Probably not for him either

 

Memorising is making me feel old now, and im guessing you are a similar age to me. Never went to Knebworth but i did do Monsters of Rock at Donnington a couple of times  

I always assumed you were a lithe 20 year old  

Which ones did you attend?

I suspect I may be a little older than you. I was really just a nipper (13) when I went in 81 when AC/DC headlined and Slade played, I also went in 1983 when Whitesnake and ZZ Top played.

The Knebworth i went to was 85 I think. A recently reformed Deep Purple were the headliners though the Scorpions stole the show.

Edited 26 June 2018 by Max Wall

[Max Wall]

3 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

Bombarded by bottles of urine? It was like a vat out of hell for Meatloaf...

In those days at a festival, if you didn't perform well, it was a guaranteed piss bottle attack.  No quarter given.

Luckily for Meatloaf, he played when there were 80 odd thousand in the crowd. Had he played the year after, 110 thousand would have bombarded him.

Edited 26 June 2018 by Max Wall

[Nalis]

Some of the smaller footballing nations haven't exactly painted themselves in glory in this World Cup in terms of gamesmanship.

 

Iran, Tunisia, Panama to name three have been disgraceful in harassing the referee, play acting and general over the top challenges. Sadly makes it difficult to go for teams like that as underdog.

[Manwell Pablo]

10 hours ago, Max Wall said:

 

This is where I completely disagree. 

Arsenal, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Manchester Utd, Swansea, Barnsley, Millwall, Sunderland. Don't they all have majority shareholders from the USA? Certainly Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal do. If you don't think Americans are influencing decisions within the Premier league then I certainly disagree. 

As for 'British sports' run by the Hearns, which do you mean? Snooker? Yeah, Americans probably don't influence that because they don't care but if you think the big ring entrances and razzamatazz in boxing didn't come in it's entirety from the USA, I'd argue that it did. As did extended build ups to big fights. Sky and others merely followed that lead.

With regards to laying down a blueprint on how to make money from sport, I'd say they 100% did and everything since has followed that blueprint, albeit altered slightly for whatever audience it was shown to and to gain maximum financial benefit.

 

 

Edit - I'd like to clarify, something seems to have been lost in translation here by the way. I don't think you'll find anywhere I've said I'm totally against VAR. I'm against constant stopping and starting of games. VAR, if used correctly, could be  a successful addition to the game.

 

 

Don't really see what that has to do with it, direct involvement in clubs is something different to what we've been discussing, or at least what I thought we were discussing. The PL attracts world wide interest and owners of clubs come from all over the shop and its no surprise to American influence in big clubs (but then there are British franchises popping up in the MLS conversely) . We still have our pyramid system, rules, there are more sponsors  but nothing on a American level, we still play in halfs have capped away ticket prices and 3pm Saturday kick offs are blocked from TV coverage, game 39 got kicked into touch as soon as it was suggested and you can still draw a game without some silly over time periods. You could argue in 30 years time in may be different as Amazons experiment could  be the start of something I don't particularly want to see but for me at this moment in time the PL is still very British and has made money without it's product being compromised by American sporting ideology.  

 

It was more the snooker and darts than boxing as boxing is a global sport but even then we do still do things differently to them in terms of what fights we put on, how much we charge for them (very significant difference)  and how much time is given to on air advertising. And Eddie Hearn is actually making decent in roads into the American boxing market himself but this is a different story. Again it is not about direct American involvement in snooker or darts it is the business model used to make money and it remains very different to a typical American sporting model. 

 

Not that a particularly think there is anything wrong with the way the Americans run their sports anyway it's horses for courses. 

 

VAR- yes I agree and the game last night was a demonstration on what needs to be avoided, gaps in play were to long and as I said elsewhere I'm not a fan on pens being given 90 sec 2 mins after the incident and play has resumed.

[stripeyfox]

11 hours ago, Iran said:

The boys did well tonight in a very tricky group! Next Step: Asian Cup!

That would have been some moment if he'd scored the winner at the end.!!!

 

[Guest MattP]

10 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

Bombarded by bottles of urine? It was like a vat out of hell for Meatloaf...

Didn't he always say a piss was a terrible thing to waste?