Iran Vs Portugal

[Otis]

VAR isn't being used properly, it should only be used for obvious mistakes & howlers. not every 50-50 decision.

 

FIFA need to instruct the refs or bin them off if they can't understand this simple concept.

[Max Wall]

10 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

And me.

 

Football is not stop start game. And decisions are just as bad as they have been without var.

 

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I think it’s the potential it has to ruin so many more games. The players tonight were appealing for everything and anything and the ref was checking everything. It almost gave the players license to cheat even more.

Call me a cynic, it's my age. Having seen American culture increasingly take over here. I expect a point in the future where football is played in 4 quarters with ad breaks and some twat like Chris Martin singing on the pitch in the intervals.

First school proms and trick or treat, overuse and misuse of the word literally, next four 22 minute quarters.

Edited 25 June 2018 by Max Wall

[The Blur]

8 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Do you not foresee a possible future where all games are this stop start constantly? 

 

I was quoting you to agree with the overall sentiment of your post where it is the first game where VAR was misused badly.   However to answer your question,  well at the moment it is not like all games at the tournament are not constantly stop-start is it?  It does have potential to head that way yes but I think overall the introduction of VAR to this tournament have been much better than expected. I am also surprised at how resilient the referees (apart from this one)  are in their application of it- the overturning of Neymar's pen for one and how sporadic it is being used at the moment- genuine pen/red card shouts.    I think the league football will look at how it is being used at the moment and learn from it.  

 

Players ganging up on the referees after they have looked at VAR and have made their decision on the other hand....

Edited 25 June 2018 by The Blur

[MC Prussian]

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I think it’s the potential it has to ruin so many more games. The players tonight were appealing for everything and anything and the ref was checking everything. It almost gave the players license to cheat even more.

In that case, it's great that VAR has eliminated at least one team with players constantly complaining from the tournament, isn't it?

[Carl the Llama]

4 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

Cui Bono?

 

The Russkies.

How so?  Surely you'd rather play a knockout match against a Portugal side prone to red mists?

[The whole world smiles]

Why are people saying VAR ruined that game? That last 45 minutes was absolutely brilliant entertainment.

[bovril]

Farsi-cal. 

[Guest Col city fan]

5 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

 

Call me a cynic, it's my age. Having seen American culture increasingly take over here. I expect a point in the future where football is played in 4 quarters with ad breaks and some twat like Chris Martin singing on the pitch in the intervals.

First school proms and trick or treat, overuse and misuse of the word literally, next four 22 minute quarters.

 

I don’t think you’re being cynical at all. I think you’re being real.

The truth about tonight, I suggest, is that people were more excited by the VAR incidents than by the Football.

I agree with you completely. Take Foxes Talk..I’m convinced that many people get more out of TALKING about football than actually watching football.

 

Edited 25 June 2018 by Col city fan

[Guest Col city fan]

2 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Why are people saying VAR ruined that game? That last 45 minutes was absolutely brilliant entertainment.

Point made..

[The Blur]

9 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I think it’s the potential it has to ruin so many more games. The players tonight were appealing for everything and anything and the ref was checking everything. It almost gave the players license to cheat even more.

 

You what?  Off my head- there was three occasions that VAR were used-  1) Ronaldo penalty which was a correct call after being not given at first  2)  Ronaldo's yellow card-  Once again, a correct call especially that the referee have missed the sly smack  3)  I will concede that one less said

 

It is not like it is being used left, centre and right.  

[Max Wall]

55 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I don’t think you’re being cynical at all.

The truth about tonight, I suggest, is that people were more excited by the VAR incidents than by the Football.

I agree with you completely. Take Foxes Talk..I’m convinced that many people get more out of TALKING about football than actually watching football.

I agree Col. I suppose that's my point really. Americans (USA) routinely used to describe football as boring because there wasn't enough goals or incident. That's why the American leagues for years refused to have draws and used to decide games all square at full time by shoot-offs from 35 yards. They needed an ending those with minimal wit would accept and some artificial excitement at the end of the game.. 

Far from clarifying incidents, VAR has lead to some extraordinary decisions.

I used to be amazed in the USA when they whooped and hollered in cinemas and stood and applauded the saccharine endings but I've actually started to see similar things here in the last 15 years.

We follow the USA whether people like it or not. That does not bode well for football as we know it.

Edited 25 June 2018 by Max Wall

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

4 minutes ago, The Blur said:

 

I was quoting you to agree with the overall sentiment of your post where it is the first game where VAR was misused badly.   However to answer your question,  well at the moment it is not like all games at the tournament are not constantly stop-start is it?  It does have potential to head that way yes but I think overall the introduction of VAR to this tournament have been much better than expected. I am also surprised at how resilient the referees (apart from this one)  are in their application of it- the overturning of Neymar's pen for one and how sporadic it is being used at the moment- genuine pen/red card shouts.    I think the league football will look at how it is being used at the moment and learn from it.  

 

Players ganging up on the referees after they have looked at VAR and have made their decision on the other hand....

 

Players reactions as you say is a worry

 

Another worry is that controversy still exists. So we may lose the flow of the game and still have controversy; or, worst case scenario, in order to make var work the game becomes completely sanitised so there is no controversy. You cant even touch a player anymore, stop start all the time

 

We have to be very careful or this could get away from us

 

A safe option may be to accept controversy as part of the game, use Var only for offside We would preserve the game at least

 

Extreme caution needs to be used with it i think

[Mrfox452]

11 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

 

Call me a cynic, it's my age. Having seen American culture increasingly take over here. I expect a point in the future where football is played in 4 quarters with ad breaks and some twat like Chris Martin singing on the pitch in the intervals.

First school proms and trick or treat, overuse and misuse of the word literally, next four 22 minute quarters.

 

****ing hell...just the thought of that makes me cry.

[Max Wall]

1 minute ago, Mrfox452 said:

****ing hell...just the thought of that makes me cry.

Luckily, I'm 50. If I do live to see it, I'm unlikely to know what the fvck is going on anyway.

The World keeps moving I suppose. If the inevitable does happen and it becomes more like American football, within a generation no one will even care what it was like in 1998 I suppose.

[Guest Col city fan]

Just now, Max Wall said:

Luckily, I'm 50. If I do live to see it, I'm unlikely to know what the fvck is going on anyway.

The World keeps moving I suppose. If the inevitable does happen and it becomes more like American football, within a generation no one will even care what it was like in 1998 I suppose.

I’m 50 this year mate and see it exactly the same way.

[Max Wall]

57 minutes ago, The Blur said:

 

You what?  Off my head- there was three occasions that VAR were used-  1) Ronaldo penalty which was a correct call after being not given at first  2)  Ronaldo's yellow card-  Once again, a correct call especially that the referee have missed the sly smack  3)  I will concede that one less said

 

It is not like it is being used left, centre and right.  

The inconsistency is the problem. The last of those decisions you mention only serves to highlight the problem. Never a pen.

It's easy to focus on your own team but look at what Kane had to put up with at corners,other players and other teams have had to  put up with similar, yet they stop the game to give that pile of shite penalty tonight.

 

[Max Wall]

1 hour ago, The Blur said:

 

You what?  Off my head- there was three occasions that VAR were used-  1) Ronaldo penalty which was a correct call after being not given at first  2)  Ronaldo's yellow card-  Once again, a correct call especially that the referee have missed the sly smack  3)  I will concede that one less said

 

It is not like it is being used left, centre and right.  

If you're going to go down the route of fundamentally changing the game by stopping it to review, you simply have to get all the decisions correct. Two out of 3 ain't bad for Meatloaf but it's appalling for VAR.

Edited 25 June 2018 by Max Wall

[Stadt]

Great watch but it was barely football. I'm surprised that I saw people saying Ronaldo should have been off. Instead of cutting out diving, going down easily, dubious claims for handballs and the like its only made it worse. Amrabat got it spot on.

[turtmcfly]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I don’t think you’re being cynical at all. I think you’re being real.

The truth about tonight, I suggest, is that people were more excited by the VAR incidents than by the Football.

I agree with you completely. Take Foxes Talk..I’m convinced that many people get more out of TALKING about football than actually watching football.

 

 

 

Bloody hell Col, you've made getting on for 31,000 posts. You must get a lot out of watching it....

 

 

 

[trabuch]

I used to think 2 team reviews like cricket or tennis was the answer, but how that would be implemented is another question. Probably should be the captain. But if the refs in the TV room are flawed however it's done is irrelevant.

[Max Wall]

3 minutes ago, trabuch said:

I used to think 2 team reviews like cricket or tennis was the answer, but how that would be implemented is another question. Probably should be the captain. But if the refs in the TV room are flawed however it's done is irrelevant.

I can understand your view there. However, imagine the amount of 'plants' around the stadium for the captain to glance towards to decide whether to review a decision. Steve Smith already made a total cnut of himself taking signals from the balcony in cricket to review decisions. That system implemented in football would lead to the same sort of thing.

I'm aware I'm slagging off the new system without suggesting an alternative by the way. Maybe it just needs more time but the portents are not good. 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Max Wall said:

I agree Col. I suppose that's my point really. Americans (USA) routinely used to describe football as boring because there wasn't enough goals or incident. That's why the American leagues for years refused to have draws and used to decide games all square at full time by shoot-offs from 35 yards. They needed an ending those with minimal wit would accept and some artificial excitement at the end of the game.. 

Far from clarifying incidents, VAR has lead to some extraordinary decisions.

I used to be amazed in the USA when they whooped and hollered in cinemas and stood and applauded the saccharine endings but I've actually started to see similar things here in the last 15 years.

We follow the USA whether people like it or not. That does not bode well for football as we know it.

 

 

Odd comment. If you are talking about us as the British at least. Video reviews are used in cricket rugby and tennis which are the among most popular sports in this country outside of football so the pressure is certainly more from the inside than out if you ask me.

 

As for the system itself, VAR is used full time in Serie A and the Primera league  (among other top leagues in world football) and reasonably successfully at that, with other top leagues being much closer to implementing the system full time in their top leagues than we are. Any pressure to implement the system would come from the system being seen as a success when used in Europe.

 

I think think we are one of the furthest away from implementing it tbh, with most of the money men waiting to see how successful it is.

 

 

[Max Wall]

17 minutes ago, Wookie said:

Great watch but it was barely football. I'm surprised that I saw people saying Ronaldo should have been off. Instead of cutting out diving, going down easily, dubious claims for handballs and the like its only made it worse. Amrabat got it spot on.

 

This is the World we live in. Look at boxing, it seems at times now, people pay more attention to the entrance to the ring than the fight itself. I get that it's theatre but it's not football as we know it. It will be accepted though and football will evolve into another version I suppose.

 

With regards to Ronaldo, not surprised some wanted him sent off, he polarises opinion. Doesn't mean those people thought it was the correct decision to send him off. Personally, I'm not his biggest fan, though he is a remarkable footballer. I certainly would not have wanted him to be red carded for that.

[Max Wall]

2 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Odd comment. If you are talking about us as the British at least. Video reviews are used in cricket rugby and tennis which are the among most popular sports in this country outside of football so the pressure is certainly more from the inside than out if you ask me.

 

As for the system itself, VAR is used full time in Serie A and the Primera league  (among other top leagues in world football) and reasonably successfully at that, with other top leagues being much closer to implementing the system full time in their top leagues than we are. Any pressure to implement the system would come from the system being seen as a success when used in Europe.

 

I think think we are one of the furthest away from implementing it tbh, with most of the money men waiting to see how successful it is.

 

 

What is odd specifically?

[trabuch]

5 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

I can understand your view there. However, imagine the amount of 'plants' around the stadium for the captain to glance towards to decide whether to review a decision. Steve Smith already made a total cnut of himself taking signals from the balcony in cricket to review decisions. That system implemented in football would lead to the same sort of thing.

I'm aware I'm slagging off the new system without suggesting an alternative by the way. Maybe it just needs more time but the portents are not good. 

 

I blame his parents and country of birth.  

 

It's a very tricky situation - but I would rather more stayed on the pitch and the fans in the stadium are completely in the know. They make football what it is (not armchair wankers - of which I am one) after all.