Young English Players

[BenTheFox]

Is it just me or does it feel like there are more homegrown players performing well in the premier league? A couple of years ago it was very unlikely that you'd see more than a couple of English players performing in this league. Now there seems to be a fair bit of excitement surrounding the likes of Maddison, Foden, Alli, Rashford, Sessegnon, Sterling, Pickford as well as the likes of Hughes, Chilwell, Barkley and Shaw who have started the season well. Even if go a few years older we're seeing Maguire, Kane, Stones, Lingard, Wilson etc. who have all done well recently. It appears to me that English football is in much better shape than it was a few years ago. I mean six of our starting eleven on Saturday were English! The question is are we starting to produce better players or are managers just showing more trust in young English talent?

[AKCJ]

By-product of better academies now that PL clubs have huge amounts of money and the FA looking into the national team's youth sides.

The National Team will be stacked in 5/6 years time I think.

[BenTheFox]

8 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

By-product of better academies now that PL clubs have huge amounts of money and the FA looking into the national team's youth sides.

The National Team will be stacked in 5/6 years time I think.

A refreshing change from the last few years!

[Max Wall]

44 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Is it just me or does it feel like there are more homegrown players performing well in the premier league? A couple of years ago it was very unlikely that you'd see more than a couple of English players performing in this league. Now there seems to be a fair bit of excitement surrounding the likes of Maddison, Foden, Alli, Rashford, Sessegnon, Sterling, Pickford as well as the likes of Hughes, Chilwell, Barkley and Shaw who have started the season well. Even if go a few years older we're seeing Maguire, Kane, Stones, Lingard, Wilson etc. who have all done well recently. It appears to me that English football is in much better shape than it was a few years ago. I mean six of our starting eleven on Saturday were English! The question is are we starting to produce better players or are managers just showing more trust in young English talent?

A refreshingly positive thread to start Ben 

It's probably a bit of both. It does seem like there are a number all establishing themselves at the same time though. I also agree with the previous poster that academies are improving all the time. As the game has become awash with money, at least some seems to be going towards the nurturing of young talent and improving of facilities. Long may it continue and good to see our club as one of the clubs leading the way.

[Aus Fox]

Proof the Checkatrade trophy is working

[Fox92]

47 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

Proof the Checkatrade trophy is working

Nah. It's pointless in it's current format.

The players listed by OP have nothing to do with the Checkatrade trophy.

[BenTheFox]

I missed out a few more obvious ones like Alexander-Arnold and Loftus-Cheek too!

[SemperEadem]

Someone will have the stats I'm sure but it still will be minuscule numbers compared to homgrown players playing in say Spain/Germany/France/Italy.

 

Pleasing to see things improving but still a long long way to go.

[BenTheFox]

30 minutes ago, baker11 said:

Someone will have the stats I'm sure but it still will be minuscule numbers compared to homgrown players playing in say Spain/Germany/France/Italy.

 

Pleasing to see things improving but still a long long way to go.

When England played Germany in the u21s euro final, the German team had 14,000 more minutes at Bundesliga level than ours had at premier league level! We lost only on penalties. It goes to show that we are producing decent players, but minutes have been hard to come by at the top level. Hopefully we're starting to see that change.  

[gurru991]

6 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I missed out a few more obvious ones like Alexander-Arnold and Loftus-Cheek too!

Crazy that Loftus-Cheek can play for England but can't get game time for Chelsea. We are lucky to have a manager who is not scared to go with youth. Too much pressure at ManC,Manu & Chelsea to win for kids to get a chance.

[Xen]

Pickford (24)
TAA (19) - Stones (24) - Maguire (25) - Chilwell (21)
RLC (22) - Foden (18)
Sterling (23) - Maddison (21) - Gray (21)
Rashford (20)

Average age of 21.6, and they all either have an England cap already or look set to get one reasonably soon.

Add in a few players with a bit more experience (Kane, Shaw, Alli all still young) and that's a fairly solid side. Plenty others who could have a chance over the next few years, like Choudhury, Jadon Sancho etc.

 

There's a lot of very young English players who are getting chances now in the PL and upper-Championship (Leicester are no exception) and it bodes very well for the future, as you'd imagine that enough of them will realise their potential that we can make a full squad out of them.

 

 

 

 

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[Xen]

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[Choppalcfc]

exciting times

[CosbehFox]

7 hours ago, gurru991 said:

Crazy that Loftus-Cheek can play for England but can't get game time for Chelsea. We are lucky to have a manager who is not scared to go with youth. Too much pressure at ManC,Manu & Chelsea to win for kids to get a chance.

Yep - Reece Oxford is another sad example. Plays for West Ham, moves on loan to play at Gladbach and now West Ham are literally sitting on him (so to speak). No foreign club can muster the transfer fee. So he's just stuck playing Under 23s football. 

[BenTheFox]

10 hours ago, gurru991 said:

Crazy that Loftus-Cheek can play for England but can't get game time for Chelsea. We are lucky to have a manager who is not scared to go with youth. Too much pressure at ManC,Manu & Chelsea to win for kids to get a chance.

 

3 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Yep - Reece Oxford is another sad example. Plays for West Ham, moves on loan to play at Gladbach and now West Ham are literally sitting on him (so to speak). No foreign club can muster the transfer fee. So he's just stuck playing Under 23s football. 

That in a nutshell is what the issue has been in recent years. The financial repercussions of being relegated or missing out on the top four have meant that managers are always under pressure. It boils down to why would you persist with a young player who is going to make mistakes cost you a few points when you can go out and buy an established player. However, whilst this is the case the clubs still don't want their competitors to have the best young players so there just ends up being a stockpile of players. Hopefully we're seeing a change with certain players thriving at this level and as a result more being given the opportunity. Look at how well the England youth teams have done recently. We're definitely producing talented players, they just need to be nurtured properly. 

[gurru991]

22 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

 

That in a nutshell is what the issue has been in recent years. The financial repercussions of being relegated or missing out on the top four have meant that managers are always under pressure. It boils down to why would you persist with a young player who is going to make mistakes cost you a few points when you can go out and buy an established player. However, whilst this is the case the clubs still don't want their competitors to have the best young players so there just ends up being a stockpile of players. Hopefully we're seeing a change with certain players thriving at this level and as a result more being given the opportunity. Look at how well the England youth teams have done recently. We're definitely producing talented players, they just need to be nurtured properly. 

Clubs need to have success with young home grown players & then other clubs will take notice. Clubs like Chelsea spunk money on name players when they already have a ton of talent that they are scared to use.

[BenTheFox]

5 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

Clubs need to have success with young home grown players & then other clubs will take notice. Clubs like Chelsea spunk money on name players when they already have a ton of talent that they are scared to use.

What's mental is that Barkley has been given a chance so far this season and Loftus-Cheek who went to the world cup isn't! Unless I'm missing something? It's still early days of course, but if RLC isn't going to be given an opportunity at Chelsea then he needs to move on. He'd be a fantastic signing for anyone outside the top six and maybe one or two already in it. 

[Ric Flair]

7 hours ago, Xen said:

Pickford (24)
TAA (19) - Stones (24) - Maguire (25) - Chilwell (21)
RLC (22) - Foden (18)
Sterling (23) - Maddison (21) - Gray (21)
Rashford (20)

Average age of 21.6, and they all either have an England cap already or look set to get one reasonably soon.

Add in a few players with a bit more experience (Kane, Shaw, Alli all still young) and that's a fairly solid side. Plenty others who could have a chance over the next few years, like Choudhury, Jadon Sancho etc.

 

There's a lot of very young English players who are getting chances now in the PL and upper-Championship (Leicester are no exception) and it bodes very well for the future, as you'd imagine that enough of them will realise their potential that we can make a full squad out of them.

 

 

 

 

Isn't Kane only 24-25? Shouldn't he be included, he's arguably the best of them all.

[BenTheFox]

10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Isn't Kane only 24-25? Shouldn't he be included, he's arguably the best of them all.

Yeah he's the best English footballer without question. 

[gurru991]

45 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

What's mental is that Barkley has been given a chance so far this season and Loftus-Cheek who went to the world cup isn't! Unless I'm missing something? It's still early days of course, but if RLC isn't going to be given an opportunity at Chelsea then he needs to move on. He'd be a fantastic signing for anyone outside the top six and maybe one or two already in it. 

The problem now for RLC is that he can only go to Europe or the Championship on loan now & then push for a move in January. I personally think that Derby & Frank Lampard would be a great move for him until the Jan window

[BenTheFox]

1 minute ago, gurru991 said:

The problem now for RLC is that he can only go to Europe or the Championship on loan now & then push for a move in January. I personally think that Derby & Frank Lampard would be a great move for him until the Jan window

Him going to Derby would be such a waste.

[gurru991]

Just now, BenTheFox said:

Him going to Derby would be such a waste.

Not really, he would play 90 minutes every game and could learn lots from Lampard. Other than that he would be off to Europe & I don't feel that would be best for him.

[BenTheFox]

1 minute ago, gurru991 said:

Not really, he would play 90 minutes every game and could learn lots from Lampard. Other than that he would be off to Europe & I don't feel that would be best for him.

Of course it's better than not playing at all, but I feel he's wasted there. He's comfortably a top half premier league player.  

[Voll Blau]

31 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

Not really, he would play 90 minutes every game and could learn lots from Lampard. Other than that he would be off to Europe & I don't feel that would be best for him.

Playing for Derby would be better for someone who played at the World Cup than playing in a top league abroad?

[Stadt]

Sancho and Lookman seem to be two of the better prospects and they've both gone to Germany.

 

I think something that is always neglected to be mentioned is that the quality of players always ebbs and flows, you can do everything right from a coaching perspective but sometimes you'll have more talented players than others. Right now I think there's a bit of both, academies are improving but I also think the generation coming through seem to are an exceptional one.

Edited 24 August 2018 by Stadt