Coronavirus Thread

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, fox_favourite said:

You got it again? That’s really unlucky. 

Go big or go home IMO

[fox_favourite]

183000+ cases, hospitals starting to increase, no PCRs available in England and lateral flows are worse than finding Vestergaard’s pace. And all this before schools go back?! This variant is gonna cause chaos. But let’s hope it’s short lived, milder and the hospitals can cope. 

[fox_favourite]

2 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Go big or go home IMO

At least you’re covered for both variants now as a positive spin.

[VLC86]

Just now, fox_favourite said:

At least you’re covered for both variants now as a positive spin.

If you hear of any Beta going let me know, I’m sure my immune system will wave that cnut through as well. Ffs

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, fox_favourite said:

183000+ cases, hospitals starting to increase, no PCRs available in England and lateral flows are worse than finding Vestergaard’s pace. And all this before schools go back?! This variant is gonna cause chaos. But let’s hope it’s short lived, milder and the hospitals can cope. 

That's the hope here tbh. Given the amount of people who now have the thing, if, heaven forbid, Omicron does turn out to be as nasty (or even close to as nasty) as Delta, then everyone is in for a great deal of trouble.

 

Hopefully it won't be the case, and thankfully it seems from current evidence that it won't be.

[fox_favourite]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

That's the hope here tbh. Given the amount of people who now have the thing, if, heaven forbid, Omicron does turn out to be as nasty (or even close to as nasty) as Delta, then everyone is in for a great deal of trouble.

 

Hopefully it won't be the case, and thankfully it seems from current evidence that it won't be.

Would you have expected an exceptional rise in critical care by now? Or are we looking at the figures too early/too much re hospitalisations?

[Farrington fox]

Has anyone got a link to where current data can be found, on those hospitalised with covid, jabbed v unjabbed, age and type of thing. 

[fox_favourite]

This thread will go down in history. This has surpassed the Maynard thread! 

[Finnaldo]

Anecdotal, yes, but a couple days ago the NHS Providers CEO Chris Hopson released a thread saying that some Trusts are reporting that the majority of hospitalisations are incidental cases, that is coming in for other reasons and testing positive by chance: 

 

 

More of this news to come hopefully, looking more and more positive by the day so far.

[shade]

29 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

An interesting study, but a single study, one that is from a year ago and involves a much smaller cohort than the Nature article.

 

Of course it isn't a five-sigma scientific certainty that masks prevent COVID spread, but even given preponderance of the evidence rather than beyond all doubt as burden of proof it is still probably better to have them than not in terms of overall cost. Of at least, ambiguous enough to be more risk averse in the short term and then sort the longer term stuff out as we can.

Just revisiting this for a minute, don't you think it's strange that in 2019 and early 2020 the WHO were actively recommending against masks for respiratory viruses?

 

 

[Babylon]

39 minutes ago, shade said:

Take a look at this randomised controlled trial...

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-#:~:text=Unlike other studies looking at masks%2C the Danmask,told to change after eight hours of use.

Oh FFS not this again. This trial was purely about the wearer, it was basically someone wandering around in a mask compared to everyone else who was wandering around maskless. It wasn't testing the impact of EVERYONE wearing a mask. It's been said countless times, that it's more about reducing the chance of someone with covid passing it on, compared to the masks stopping you getting it. 

[foxile5]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

That it is.

 

But that being said, I'm struggling to think of a viable alternative course of action.

There must be a better way. The lft are just alive with plastic waste. 

[leicsmac]

23 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Would you have expected an exceptional rise in critical care by now? Or are we looking at the figures too early/too much re hospitalisations?

I think I would have expected a sharper increase in hospitalisations/hats on the ground by now, yes, Omicron has had enough time. Which is an encouraging sign.

 

20 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Has anyone got a link to where current data can be found, on those hospitalised with covid, jabbed v unjabbed, age and type of thing. 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

 

Here we are for stuff by age and region. With vaccination status, it appears timely data is difficult to come by but Northern Ireland have some:

 

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/doh-vaccination-status-weeks-45-48.pdf

 

 

9 minutes ago, shade said:

Just revisiting this for a minute, don't you think it's strange that in 2019 and early 2020 the WHO were actively recommending against masks for respiratory viruses?

 

 

"If you don't have respiratory symptoms."

 

Covid has those symptoms, so I don't think this is relevant here.

Edited 30 December 2021 by leicsmac

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

There must be a better way. The lft are just alive with plastic waste. 

Then I sincerely hope that someone smarter than me comes up with it and applies it rapidly.

[shade]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I think I would have expected a sharper increase in hospitalisations/hats on the ground by now, yes, Omicron has had enough time. Which is an encouraging sign.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

 

Here we are for stuff by age and region. With vaccination status, it appears timely data is difficult to come by but Northern Ireland have some:

 

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/doh-vaccination-status-weeks-45-48.pdf

 

 

"If you don't have respiratory symptoms."

 

Covid has those symptoms, so I don't think this is relevant here.

No, you're missing the point, 99.9% of people wearing masks don't have those symptoms, there's not many people wandering around  with a fever and a cough.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, shade said:

No, you're missing the point, 99.9% of people wearing masks don't have those symptoms, there's not many people wandering around  with a fever and a cough.

Ah, so it's about asymptomatic carriers?

 

At that time, such carriers were of no concern to the WHO or anyone else as the priority diseases we had to deal with were almost universally symptomatic. Now, of course, the situation has changed and I'm sure the WHO think differently today as a result.

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, shade said:

No, you're missing the point, 99.9% of people wearing masks don't have those symptoms, there's not many people wandering around  with a fever and a cough.

You watched the video? They literally say healthcare workers should be using masks... guess why. 

[shade]

9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Ah, so it's about asymptomatic carriers?

 

At that time, such carriers were of no concern to the WHO or anyone else as the priority diseases we had to deal with were almost universally symptomatic. Now, of course, the situation has changed and I'm sure the WHO think differently today as a result.

The trope pedalled is that masks do nothing against breath, but are to stop droplets from coughing and sneezing infecting others. If you're asymptomatic, not coughing and sneezing, are you telling me masks stop aerosols?

 

[filbertway]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview%26areaName=United Kingdom#card-patients_in_mechanical_ventilation_beds

 

If you set this to By Nation you'll get daily figures for England and you can see for yourself that despite the massively high infection rate, that figure isn't really budging. Its even lower than Novembers numbers.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, shade said:

The trope pedalled is that masks do nothing against breath, but are to stop droplets from coughing and sneezing infecting others. If you're asymptomatic, not coughing and sneezing, are you telling me masks stop aerosols?

 

Really? If this is true, it isn't accurate.

 

Yes, surgical masks do empirically stop miniature droplets through breathing - it's just that no one thought that asymptomatic carriers of a viral disease would be such a headache until all of this started.

[Legend_in_blue]

Good read.

 

https://dailysceptic.org/why-have-our-points-landed-after-all/

 

Pretty much sums up where we are.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Good read.

 

https://dailysceptic.org/why-have-our-points-landed-after-all/

 

Pretty much sums up where we are.

....and there was me thinking there was a likely significant difference between variants of the virus compared to a year and a half ago and now and so attitudes towards it and "living with it" would shift based on that, rather than on some self-congratulatory "sceptics" actually having been right all along.

 

There's so many fallacious arguments in there it would be darkly amusing if some folks didn't actually buy into the ideas being peddled with all the consequences for human life, economy and comfort that entails.

[Babylon]

35 minutes ago, shade said:

The trope pedalled is that masks do nothing against breath, but are to stop droplets from coughing and sneezing infecting others. If you're asymptomatic, not coughing and sneezing, are you telling me masks stop aerosols?

 

Droplets also come out from speaking. 

[Babylon]

13 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Good read.

 

https://dailysceptic.org/why-have-our-points-landed-after-all/

 

Pretty much sums up where we are.

More utter shite... quelle surprise.

 

If 1000's were dying a die, as they were, people would happily support lockdowns or restrictions. Just as most put on a mask again and had a booster, just in case Omicron was bad. We aren't in a lockdown, because that's not happening. 

 

The majority have common bloody sense, severely lacking in these self congratulatory knob cheeses. 

 

 

[Zear0]

It got me.  Just a headache and a cough so far.

 

It must be the virus making me delirious, but am I still reading people claiming masks do F.A?