BLM support to be displayed on shirts

[filbertway]

6 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

It's difficult to say what will be achieved, but putting out a message is the right thing to do. If one fool is considers his previous actions/thoughts and changes their mind in a positive way then it's worthwhile in my opinion. You could use the same argument against any single thing that sports people do, 

 

I think some kids are affected by it, but I was probably similar to you at the time! Footballers can be great role models and examples for tolerance and education, you only have to look at players like Salah whom have clearly had a positive impact on some fans understanding of Islam. Sure it shouldn't take a brilliant footballer to change your opinion, but it certainly does. Sport can be both the cause and the solution when you consider things like Jesse Owens, Muhammad Ali, the infamous USA  v Iran game at 1998 World Cup etc. 

 

I think I'm quite cynical about these things. If I genuinely believed it would do some good then I'd back it. It just stinks of jumping on a popular bandwagon to me though, same as about 80% of my social media time line. I just find it tiresome I think.

 

If people continue to champion a cause then fair play. I just stand everybody getting on their high horse for a couple of days or weeks, then jumping onto a different high horse the next time something else comes along.

 

Rashford's actions the past month will bring way more good than the millions of people sharing stuff on social media and pretending to care. When I say pretending to care, they probably do care in some way, but I have never seen these people actively discuss racism and bring up these matters before. Maybe I should change that to "Pretend to care more than they actually do". 

 

Again, I realise I am dripping with cynicism

 

Remember when everyone hated Dominic Cummings and thought he should never be allowed near number 10 again? Feels like years ago now.

[swanlee]

25 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

I appreciate your response mate but you may want to refrain from using the term "cultural Marxists" which is pretty abhorrent term loaded with anti-Semitism.

You appreciate my response - really?

 

Yes, I'm not a fan of the term either and have little time for identity politics.

 

But refrain from using the term and what, pretend there is no such issues on the fringes of our politics?

 

Loaded or not, I disagree, and think the term, in the context used, valid.

[Ollie93]

48 minutes ago, Wortho said:

This is total surrender to anarchy and Marxism, and if your happy without a police force then it's not controversial.

The police force isn't going to be disbanded though is it. Come on

[Ollie93]

The only way to change the whole view on racism, is to start introducing it to the school curriculum, children should be learning about how the British empire was actually formed. Not just how we won WW2. 

[Wortho]

38 minutes ago, Ollie93 said:

The police force isn't going to be disbanded though is it. Come on

Well they certainly want it disbanded. I don't think people realise what aims BLM have. I'm sure that posters on here who were moaning about the police having austerity forced upon them, are now championing the defunding of the police. You couldn't make it up!!!

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, Wortho said:

This is total surrender to anarchy and Marxism. 

What, both at the same time? 

[CosbehFox]

Going to be an interesting reaction when a player on Wednesday takes a knee in a display of support for Marxism and Stalin 

Edited 15 June 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[Sharpe's Fox]

2 hours ago, Ollie93 said:

The only way to change the whole view on racism, is to start introducing it to the school curriculum, children should be learning about how the British empire was actually formed. Not just how we won WW2. 

Not just how it was formed, how it persisted and even ended. In living memory (post 1945!) Britain was force feeding Kikuyu people their own genitalia in Kenyan concentration camps. People in this country don’t know this.

[Wortho]

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Going to be an interesting reaction when a player on Wednesday takes a knee in a display of support for Marxism and Stalin 

What is wrong with "Kick it out" being on shirts. Instead of a movement that desecrates war memorials and statues. 

[Wortho]

2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

What, both at the same time? 

Do you honestly think that BLM is about fighting racism? If so the MSM have done their job.

[HighPeakFox]

5 minutes ago, Wortho said:

Do you honestly think that BLM is about fighting racism? If so the MSM have done their job.

Oh boy, have you picked the wrong person to suggest that to.

 

Do you really think that Anarchy is the same as Marxism? You're very good at not answering direct questions, I've noticed.

[Wortho]

20 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Oh boy, have you picked the wrong person to suggest that to.

 

Do you really think that Anarchy is the same as Marxism? You're very good at not answering direct questions, I've noticed.

Oh boy you've not answered my question. Oh the irony

[Foxin_Mad]

2 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Not just how it was formed, how it persisted and even ended. In living memory (post 1945!) Britain was force feeding Kikuyu people their own genitalia in Kenyan concentration camps. People in this country don’t know this.

At the same time we can also educate about the atrocities served upon the world by Marxist regimes, and still are to this very day. Also the dubious pasts of Messers Mandela and Ghandi conveniently missed from the curriculum at present. 

 

Pretty much every country on this earth has had a dubious past in some way. Let's learn about them all and learn Britain is actually pretty good and free.

Edited 15 June 2020 by Foxin_Mad

[CosbehFox]

50 minutes ago, Wortho said:

What is wrong with "Kick it out" being on shirts. Instead of a movement that desecrates war memorials and statues. 

Dunno, ask Leicester City’s club captain 

[HighPeakFox]

16 minutes ago, Wortho said:

Oh boy you've not answered my question. Oh the irony

Why should I? You failed to answer mine, so I'm just trying to get you back to your original statement about Marxism and anarchy. 

 

Given your rubbish about the MSM, perhaps you'd care to share with us your sources of information. 

[StanSP]

21 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

At the same time we can also educate about the atrocities served upon the world by Marxist regimes, and still are to this very day. Also the dubious pasts of Messers Mandela and Ghandi conveniently missed from the curriculum at present. 

 

Pretty much every country on this earth has had a dubious past in some way. Let's learn about them all and learn Britain is actually pretty good and free.

Sorry but you can't conveniently miss Gandhi's misdemeanours and conveniently miss that Churchill sanctioned off the killing of 4 million Bengalis and knowingly limited food, welfare and provisions for that area and people of India...

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Sorry but you can't conveniently miss Gandhi's misdemeanours and conveniently miss that Churchill sanctioned off the killing of 4 million Bengalis and knowingly limited food, welfare and provisions for that area and people of India...

We wont, we are learning the full truth about all nations and political regimes then perhaps we can make some more informed choices. Instead of the limited information we are currently fed. Maybe we will decide it's not all that bad here after all.

[Trav Le Bleu]

On 13/06/2020 at 09:14, Cardiff_Fox said:

Is it a moral bandwagon to support the abolishment of racism? 

I think more the point he was saying is that football players having #blacklivesmatter on their shirts isn't going to end racism. We've had the Let's Kick Racism Out of Football slogan in football for a long time, I'd like to think the great majority of us support that. Just like football didn't start with the Premier League, the fight against racism didn't start with the death of George Floyd. I think that is what @jonthefox is saying. If you only care because everyone else is doing it, because you're afraid to be seen as different, do you really care at all? When the next big tragedy happens and everyone starts hashtagging that, and most people forget #blacklivesmatter because there's some new populist public grief to join in with.

 

At the end of the day, you don't have to make a big public display. Just be nice to each other, treat people like they're your brother or your sister. Everyone does that, end of problem . It's really that simple. 

 

Of course, some people really don't get on with their siblings, but you know what I mean. 

 

Edited 15 June 2020 by Trav Le Bleu

[Wortho]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Dunno, ask Leicester City’s club captain 

So I take from your reply you are happy with BLM on the shirts. Fair enough if you approve of BLM attacking the police...no doubt you want the police defunded.

[Wortho]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

Why should I? You failed to answer mine, so I'm just trying to get you back to your original statement about Marxism and anarchy. 

 

Given your rubbish about the MSM, perhaps you'd care to share with us your sources of information. 

My rubbish!!! Who starts a post with "Oh boy, have you picked the wrong person to suggest that to". Take your head out of your arse.

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, Wortho said:

My rubbish!!! Who starts a post with "Oh boy, have you picked the wrong person to suggest that to". Take your head out of your arse.

It was you who was suggesting I am a creature of the MSM with zero evidence. Are you capable of staying on topic for more than one post?

[Foxin_Mad]

Calm down now lads, think we will agree to disagree on the the purpose of BLM and any potential political agendas it may have beyond racial equality. 

 

I think we can all agree we must do all we can collectively to eradicate racism. Those making the decisions have chosen what they feel is the correct message to display. 

[StanSP]

55 minutes ago, Wortho said:

So I take from your reply you are happy with BLM on the shirts. Fair enough if you approve of BLM attacking the police...no doubt you want the police defunded.

What ?

 

You're tarring every BLM person with the notion that all of them like to or want to attack the police?

 

That's exactly the same as tarring everyone who doesn't want BLM is racist and/or doesn't want to see equality and justice in society.

 

Not true, is it?

 

Mad you'd come to the assessment that anyone in BLM attacks police. Did every member of the BLM protests last weekend attack the police? I think not.

[CosbehFox]

8 hours ago, Wortho said:

So I take from your reply you are happy with BLM on the shirts. Fair enough if you approve of BLM attacking the police...no doubt you want the police defunded.

Yeah, I have repeatedly stated here I think it’s a good thing BLM is on the shirts. No I don’t want the police refunded. 
 

Like a lot of things in life you can have support something but have the nuance not to agree with certain parts of it. Realistically defunding the police is not going to happen in the UK.  A few idiots action on memorials (which happens far more than people think) doesn’t detract from the main debate. 
 

Anyway, don’t trouble yourself too much because it’s happening tomorrow when Villa and Sheff U run out with it on their back. Apparently both clubs have something lined up so expect everyone taking a knee too. 

[Ollie93]

11 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

We wont, we are learning the full truth about all nations and political regimes then perhaps we can make some more informed choices. Instead of the limited information we are currently fed. Maybe we will decide it's not all that bad here after all.

It's not that bad at all, but why can't it be better? Why can't there be no racism, no prejudice?