BLM support to be displayed on shirts

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, yorkie1999 said:

Thing is, how this comes across is that Derrick Chauvin is representative of all policemen and therefore there's a major problem between the police force and the black community in America, but because they knew each other from working together and had a dislike for each other it becomes personal, so Floyd wasn't murdered at the hands of a policeman as such, he was murdered by someone who was taking advantage of the fact he was a policeman.

Whilst I understand that, Chauvin was still in his uniform and on the job. He took his own dislike for an individual in to his own hands and far over-stepped the mark. As a professional, he should have known better. This isn't to say that Floyd should have escaped any punishment, more that Chauvin should have been better in applying it and just arresting him and detaining him properly.

[yorkie1999]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Whilst I understand that, Chauvin was still in his uniform and on the job. He took his own dislike for an individual in to his own hands and far over-stepped the mark. As a professional, he should have known better. This isn't to say that Floyd should have escaped any punishment, more that Chauvin should have been better in applying it and just arresting him and detaining him properly.

Harold Shipman was "in uniform" and on the job, but he wasn't representative of all doctors was he. We weren't calling for the nhs to withdraw funding from doctors because of one psycho.

[Carl the Llama]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Harold Shipman was "in uniform" and on the job, but he wasn't representative of all doctors was he. We weren't calling for the nhs to withdraw funding from doctors because of one psycho.

But it's not just one psycho, that's exactly the problem.  What about Breonne Taylor's death? Was that just one team of psychos?

[yorkie1999]

8 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

But it's not just one psycho, that's exactly the problem.  What about Breonne Taylor's death? Was that just one team of psychos?

Well no, that's what happens when everyone's got a gun.

[January47]

41 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

This has already been dealt with in this thread. It ISN'T  political, it is social. And equating the EDL to the struggle for equality is revolting. That is what is known as 'false syllogism'.

Just because you said something in a previous email doesn’t mean it has been dealt with and the truth has been established. The idea that this is not political seems to be at odds with the hundreds of posts today on one message board on one subject. Support or not for this organisation should be an individual decision.

And by association the fans of these teams will feel that are represented by something they don’t agree with. And I’m not even talking about the morons on display today

 

dread to think what will happen when the games starts.......some idiots will be burning the shirts for example.

 

they should have stuck with highlighting kick it out or similar.

 

 

[Leeds Fox]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

The organisation did not do that. Lone berks did that, and it would not surprise me if the group has been infiltrated by various groups to try and discredit it anyway.

To play devil’s advocate... the same could be said of the policeman who committed the crime. I can’t speak on what the US police are like on the whole but the argument could be reversed.

[HighPeakFox]

16 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

To play devil’s advocate... the same could be said of the policeman who committed the crime. I can’t speak on what the US police are like on the whole but the argument could be reversed.

Indeed. However, the police in USA have a terrible reputation for association with the KKK etc, especially in the south.

[ozleicester]

In West Oz today...

 

Edited 13 June 2020 by ozleicester

[Fox92]

Just now, ozleicester said:

In West Oz today...

What's more Australian than having a snake around your neck in your profile picture  

[Hammo]

The overriding feeling I get from reading all of the various posts on here is that the Black Lives Matter movement has thus far succeeded in one respect and one respect only:

 

It has reinforced the preconceived viewpoints of people on both sides of the argument - and therefore merely widened the divide between them.

 

Which means that its strategy is flawed and consequently doomed to failure.

 

The mandatory placing of the slogan on every Premier League shirt (with no right of reply or objection) can either be seen as a worthy contribution to the Anti-racism cause or an ill-considered attempt to jump onto a fast-moving bandwagon - depending on your point of view - but does anybody truly think that it will change people’s already entrenched beliefs?

 

Edited 13 June 2020 by Hammo

[Itsthejoeker]

2 hours ago, jonathan_ross said:

Well I’ll be boycotting games next season if the support for the organisation continues.

Thank **** for that. Please don’t bother coming back

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, jonathan_ross said:

well maybe if you’d served your country, seen your friends be killed in service and now your football team is sporting the same BLM slogan put on the cenotaph you’d be a little upset too.

Sorry you don’t like my decision.

In 2010 the Cenotaph was vandalised at a student march (famously a member of Pink Floyd’s son). Given the clubs very active links with two universities of the city, boycotting would have made sense also then.

 

I’d like to think we can recognise where one idiot or a handful of them are not representative of an entire movement or group. Bit like these morons down in London today being tagged football lads 

Edited 13 June 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[UniFox21]

15 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

In 2010 the Cenotaph was vandalised at a student march (famously a member of Pink Floyd’s son). Given the clubs very active links with two universities of the city, boycotting would have made sense also then.

 

I’d like to think we can recognise where one idiot or a handful of them are not representative of an entire movement or group. Bit like these morons down in London today being tagged football lads 

We don't associate or wish to associate those attacking police with football fans, same applies with the idiots who use the BLM march to be twats. 

 

But this type of logic seems to be a miss with certain posters

[Dr The Singh]

2 hours ago, jonathan_ross said:

well maybe if you’d served your country, seen your friends be killed in service and now your football team is sporting the same BLM slogan put on the cenotaph you’d be a little upset too.

Sorry you don’t like my decision.

Really.  I have 2 cousins and my son is considering joining the armed.forces.  I think the gesture to accept that BLM is positive.  I really do struggle with the negativity, abolishing racism is a positive thing.

 

My family have served in the British Army for over 100 years btw.

[Angus Scott]

The thing that gets to me about this is the way it is constantly being rammed down my throat. The same as with more jobs for women, that silly little girl & schoolkids (if I had joined that march as a kid I would have got the cane at school & a belting off my Dad) with the climate change thing. I can make my own mind up about these.

 

In all these things what comes across to me is that a lot of these people actually hate our country. This, a country that has given them everything they have & now expect as of right, probably without them having had to work too hard to obtain them. I saw a woman interviewed on the News earlier & she had been on every march of recent times & you could sense the hatred in her voice & see it in her eyes. If they think our country is so bad, perhaps they would enjoy life more in somewhere like North Korea.

 

I am just an ordinary bloke who has paid his taxes for 50 years, obeyed the law & obtained a decent standard of living through hard work & saving my money. There are millions more like me who cannot understand why these people want to wreck everything that our parents & grandparents made huge sacrifices to improve our quality of life, both through work & 2 world wars. 

 

I am nearly 70 so will not have too long left on this earth. Frankly I am glad as I do not want to see what our glorious country will be like when the anarchists take over.

[josh_baskin]

Found this guys post on the Burnley forum(apologies for the source) and I think he makes some good points..

 

 

How nieve are you 59/60 you really think that all this is about racism - Lewis Hamilton under privileged upbringing , Anthony Joshua ( don’t buy from whites stores ) racist that I think . 
Meghan who was always white till this Rubbish got going. 
Leona Lewis who can’t go anywhere without being subjected to racism. ( really ). 

Beyonce , who’s relatives were part of the slave trade , who bleached her skin for acceptance.

And now we’re going back hundreds of years for the oppressed in slavery 

Here’s the thing slavery was started by black traders and we in this country campaigned and paid to stop it for years , yes that’s right the British white tax payers were the main contributors to stop the slave trade and eventually succeeded as late as 2015 I think. 

So here we are 59 and you as well have been dragged along by abSolute codswallop , 

If you read my previous posts I wrote there always has been and always will be forms of racism and I accept that , however I didn’t agree with it.

Here’s a complete reversal for you take a walk yourself Through Bradford city centre as a white man without feeling intimidated 
( that can’t be right either can it - no sign of those people on the media though is there?) 

So these people and the left and Of course the media bull **** train is at full speed now with yours and BT backing , and many more for that matter all frightened to actually have a thought of their own. 

If you checked the American media four deaths of black men since the fatal murder that stated this charade , I wander if those black lives didn’t/ don’t matter(ironic isn’t it black lives matter- killed by other black s ). 

I’m signing off for good now gents And won’t be posting on here anymore it’s all a political scam divide and conquer Process that’s in motion and it’s really not for me.

Edited 13 June 2020 by josh_baskin

[Guest SO1]

As always Dave nails it. Starts at 2:00. A credit to mankind.

Edited 13 June 2020 by SO1

[Carl the Llama]

21 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

The thing that gets to me about this is the way it is constantly being rammed down my throat. The same as with more jobs for women, that silly little girl & schoolkids (if I had joined that march as a kid I would have got the cane at school & a belting off my Dad) with the climate change thing. I can make my own mind up about these.

 

In all these things what comes across to me is that a lot of these people actually hate our country. This, a country that has given them everything they have & now expect as of right, probably without them having had to work too hard to obtain them. I saw a woman interviewed on the News earlier & she had been on every march of recent times & you could sense the hatred in her voice & see it in her eyes. If they think our country is so bad, perhaps they would enjoy life more in somewhere like North Korea.

 

I am just an ordinary bloke who has paid his taxes for 50 years, obeyed the law & obtained a decent standard of living through hard work & saving my money. There are millions more like me who cannot understand why these people want to wreck everything that our parents & grandparents made huge sacrifices to improve our quality of life, both through work & 2 world wars. 

 

I am nearly 70 so will not have too long left on this earth. Frankly I am glad as I do not want to see what our glorious country will be like when the anarchists take over.

You mean you're reading about it in a newspaper or on a website that you made the decision to read, a decision I would imagine you've made many times, rarely opting for the choice of not picking up that specific newspaper/visiting that website.  Then those articles suggested you should be outraged by all this harassment and you obliged.  Tbf I'm assuming that, I suppose it's possible you've lived 70 years having people stop you on the street, in the shops, at your place of work and tell you to be more empathetic towards the plight of minorities and that would be annoying but you'd also be the first genuine case of having these issues rammed down your throat that I've heard of.

 

Now think about this:  If you feel so harassed by these articles that you're exercising the freedom of choice to consume, how do you think it must feel for the people who frequently live these issues?  I'm talking about the ones who have law enforcement arbitrarily pull them over or look through their bags, or those who see their likeness used repeatedly as a negative stimulus by mainstream political campaigns, or even those who have simply logged on to the forum of their favourite football team from a city famed for its multicultural population only to read a bunch of old white guys complaining that their fight for equal treatment is a nuisance?  Bet that feels a bit more oppressive than choosing to be outraged by the media you choose to consume.

Edited 13 June 2020 by Carl the Llama

[Finnaldo]

23 minutes ago, josh_baskin said:

 

[Long post of exceedingly tedious Northern drivel]

It reads like a load of nonsense.

 

Right so a bunch of celebrities have it easy, that doesn’t exactly say much for the average black person does it? 
 

In fact, within the nonsense they go as far as to point out Beyonces bleached her skin in editing for mainstream appeal... which is exactly the bloody argument being made. Why SHOULD black women be forced to bleach their skin for mainstream appeal?? THAT. IS. THE. POINT. 
 

And of course, the cherry on the sh!t cake: black on black crime. 1) what does that have to do with African-Americans being brutalised by police, or further, with the UK BLM movement? 2) perhaps the deprivation of black communities having to resort to violent crime could be alleviated if we actually addressed the issue rather than just portray them as violent black thugs, again a BLM talking point.

 

What you’ve achieved here is outing yourself as agreeing with some crusty Northern knuckledragger shouting from his Burnley hovel. This is on top of:

 

-Accusing BLM of being ‘Marxists’, which we’ve debunked as nonsense. 

 

-Claiming Marx’s statue hasn’t been vandalised, which it had been on two separate occasions as of April 2019, again debunked as nonsense. 
 

Please take a step back and think about what you’re posting mate.

Edited 13 June 2020 by Finnaldo

[swanlee]

10 minutes ago, SO1 said:

As always Dave nails it. Starts at 2:00. A credit to mankind.

Great post - thanks for sharing.

 

And as an aside: what a truly depressing thread. Jesus - any of you boycotting any games, I'll gladly take yer' ticket off your hand.

[UniFox21]

Can't wait for those hating the BLM message to realise the FA Cup Final has been renamed the HeadsUp FA Cup Final this year in partnership to promote a mental health campaign supported by Prince William. Assume they'll be massively against that and the royals being involved.

Edited 13 June 2020 by UniFox21

[Wymsey]

3 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Can't wait for those hating the BLM message to realise the FA Cup Final has been renamed the HeadsUp FA Cup Final this year in partnership to promote  mental health campaign, assume they'll be massively against that

Both subjects here are entirely different aspects in human life altogether, but I quite get what you mean.

 

If they're not willing to keep up with today's time in terms of understanding such problems you mentioned with these aspects that people can definitely struggle with via abuse, then they should just go back in their caves and watch the world evolve without their disgusting beliefs - as a massive majority of the general public won't give a second thought about them as an individual.

Edited 13 June 2020 by Wymsey

[January47]

4 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

It reads like a load of nonsense.

 

Right so a bunch of celebrities have it easy, that doesn’t exactly say much for the average black person does it? 
 

In fact, within the nonsense they go as far as to point out Beyonces bleached her skin in editing for mainstream appeal... which is exactly the bloody argument being made. Why SHOULD black women be forced to bleach their skin for mainstream appeal?? THAT. IS. THE. POINT. 
 

And of course, the cherry on the sh!t cake: black on black crime. 1) what does that have to do with African-Americans being brutalised by police, or further, with the UK BLM movement? 2) perhaps the deprivation of black communities having to resort to violent crime could be alleviated if we actually addressed the issue rather than just portray them as violent black thugs, again a BLM talking point.

 

What you’ve achieved here is outing yourself as agreeing with some crusty Northern knuckledragger shouting from his Burnley hovel. This is on top of:

 

-Accusing BLM of being ‘Marxists’, which we’ve debunked as nonsense. 

 

-Claiming Marx’s statue hasn’t been vandalised, which it had been on two separate occasions as of April 2019, again debunked as nonsense. 
 

Please take a step back and think about what you’re posting mate.

Funny isn’t it that some people rather than discuss and debate issues call another point of view as being from a crusty northern knuckle dragger from his Burnley hovel

[Finnaldo]

Just now, January47 said:

Funny isn’t it that some people rather than discuss and debate issues call another point of view as being from a crusty northern knuckle dragger from his Burnley hovel

I’ve discussed it as nauseum. That particular point was nothing but shouting into the void about celebrities, nothing to do with BLM, detracting with black on black crimes which has nothing to do with the point at hand. 
 

I’ve had numerous discussions with numerous people, in a sensible and respectful manner, yet I’m not going to waste effort on tin hatters talking about Marxists and Stalinists. 
 

If people want a proper discussion, discuss the actual issues around BLM. Marxist conspiracies and Celebrity opinions are simply accusations to slight and play down the actual matters being protested and discussed. Something tells me the same people arguing these points wouldn’t have the same “we’re only discussing it” tone if I accused the Tories of being a far right hate party infiltrated by Britain First. 

[January47]

4 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

I’ve discussed it as nauseum. That particular point was nothing but shouting into the void about celebrities, nothing to do with BLM, detracting with black on black crimes which has nothing to do with the point at hand. 
 

I’ve had numerous discussions with numerous people, in a sensible and respectful manner, yet I’m not going to waste effort on tin hatters talking about Marxists and Stalinists. 
 

If people want a proper discussion, discuss the actual issues around BLM. Marxist conspiracies and Celebrity opinions are simply accusations to slight and play down the actual matters being protested and discussed. Something tells me the same people arguing these points wouldn’t have the same “we’re only discussing it” tone if I accused the Tories of being a far right hate party infiltrated by Britain First. 

Then do it instead of giving your opinionated stereotypes