Angus Scott Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 27 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: You mean you're reading about it in a newspaper or on a website that you made the decision to read, a decision I would imagine you've made many times, rarely opting for the choice of not picking up that specific newspaper/visiting that website. Then those articles suggested you should be outraged by all this harassment and you obliged. Tbf I'm assuming that, I suppose it's possible you've lived 70 years having people stop you on the street, in the shops, at your place of work and tell you to be more empathetic towards the plight of minorities and that would be annoying but you'd also be the first genuine case of having these issues rammed down your throat that I've heard of. Now think about this: If you feel so harassed by these articles that you're exercising the freedom of choice to consume, how do you think it must feel for the people who frequently live these issues? I'm talking about the ones who have law enforcement arbitrarily pull them over or look through their bags, or those who see their likeness used repeatedly as a negative stimulus by mainstream political campaigns, or even those who have simply logged on to the forum of their favourite football team from a city famed for its multicultural population only to read a bunch of old white guys complaining that their fight for equal treatment is a nuisance? Bet that feels a bit more oppressive than choosing to be outraged by the media you choose to consume. I would reply if I had a clue what you were talking about. All I will say is that I am a reasonably intelligent person who's opinions are not influenced by the media. I am just sick of all these people saying everything is wrong with our country & then seeing the taxes that I have worked hard to pay being wasted on policing costs etc for, what i consider, to be unnecessary protests. Many people of my age that I know feel the same 1
josh_baskin Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Finnaldo said: I’ve discussed it as nauseum. That particular point was nothing but shouting into the void about celebrities, nothing to do with BLM, detracting with black on black crimes which has nothing to do with the point at hand. I’ve had numerous discussions with numerous people, in a sensible and respectful manner, yet I’m not going to waste effort on tin hatters talking about Marxists and Stalinists. If people want a proper discussion, discuss the actual issues around BLM. Marxist conspiracies and Celebrity opinions are simply accusations to slight and play down the actual matters being protested and discussed. Something tells me the same people arguing these points wouldn’t have the same “we’re only discussing it” tone if I accused the Tories of being a far right hate party infiltrated by Britain First. The Marx statue has not been reported as a target by the blm protesters and you could argue that his ideologies have contributed to millions of deaths was the point I was making. Edited 13 June 2020 by josh_baskin
swanlee Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, josh_baskin said: maybe I do It great you've got an interest in European political history. There's too much ignorance of the political & philosophical manifesto's that shaped the industrialised west's politics. Although it is heavy going, I much prefer Das Capital. A much meatier analysis of the modern industrial society. I'm also a fan though of Engels 'The Conditions of the Working Class'. There's some discussion in that of the living conditions of Irish immigrants in Manchester. And of course in Marx's polymathic economic text Das Capital, he does address how industrial development necessitates new markets that are forged through colonial expansion. As far as I can recall though, none of these books address the issue of race directly. Dealing as they were with the rapidly industrialising western economies of the 19th century. The focus is very much on the industrial proletariat, whom it has to be pointed out were very much ..... a little bit like myself ....... white and working class. Great pic though ... and Leicester was very much an industrial city. Edited 13 June 2020 by swanlee
Voll Blau Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 6 hours ago, BlueSi13 said: Be interesting to know if players have the option to not wear it on the back. But then again I think we all know what would happen to any player who decided to go against the grain on this one. To be fair it would be interesting to see all the weirdos who lose their shit at James McClean every year becoming passionate advocates for opting out of shirt gestures all of a sudden... 1 1 1
StanSP Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 That Burnley post up above is a load of old shite . So many incorrect statements.
StanSP Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 56 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: Can't wait for those hating the BLM message to realise the FA Cup Final has been renamed the HeadsUp FA Cup Final this year in partnership to promote a mental health campaign supported by Prince William. Assume they'll be massively against that and the royals being involved. #AllHealthMatters
CosbehFox Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 Will pass comment when we have a reliable source, not Pazuzu from twitter. Equally Black Lives Matters called off their protest today
HankMarvin Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Will pass comment when we have a reliable source, not Pazuzu from twitter. Equally Black Lives Matters called off their protest today Think the video speaks for itself It’s also the main story on the Mail. Remains to be seen if the rest is bullshit Edited 13 June 2020 by HankMarvin
CosbehFox Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Think the video speaks for its self also main story on the daily mail. remains to be seen if the rest is bullshit Yeah it’s horrific but where’s the connection to the topic of the thread?
Carl the Llama Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 1 minute ago, HankMarvin said: Think the video speaks for its self It's fvcking disgusting and not at all what BLM is about. 3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: also main story on the daily mail. We're still waiting for a reliable source then.
nnickn Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 social media companies are to blame for all the hatred in the world. They track what people read and send them more of the same, whether right wing or left wing people are bombarded with articles reinforcing their opinions, whereas years ago got to see both sides of an issue. All in the name of advertising and profit. The world is full of hatred now. 1
lgfualol Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: It's fvcking disgusting and not at all what BLM is about. We're still waiting for a reliable source then. Pazuzu has 8 followers, does it get more reliable than that? Lol
old koppite Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 Just now, lgfualol said: Pazuzu has 8 followers, does it get more reliable than that? Lol Yeah, lol. Let’s just hope that bloke, and anyone injured ( any protestors, passer by, police officer) are ok. All madness.
Kopic Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 1 minute ago, josh_baskin said: no comments needed https://twitter.com/mahyartousi/status/1271885540128948224?s=21 I think at least 1 comment may be required....
Carl the Llama Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 Everybody just needs to jam out and chill out. 4
StanSP Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 It really does beg the question - anyone going out looking for a fight, attacking people and causing trouble, do they think that the people they're attacking are gonna recover and say 'ah shit, yeah you were right, I won't be a cvnt anymore because you nearly killed me'. They're just gonna retort with more violence and make it worse in the long run 1
David Hankey Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 This whole issue to my mind is getting completely out of hand. Racism and Police brutality are separate issues and putting this slogan on football shirts is totally out of order. ALL lives matter and racism should be kicked out of our society. As for the past no-one can changed what happened centuries ago or rewrite history. What happened as happened whether we like it or not. What we need to do is work for a better world for the future. 2
lcfcsnow Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 We should have let America get on with it, it happened there but we just can't leave things can we, force messages down peoples throats and you get this.
blaaklint Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 6 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Everybody just needs to jam out and chill out. absolute tune tho
lgfualol Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 Just now, David Hankey said: ALL lives matter and racism should be kicked out of our society. As for the past no-one can changed what happened centuries ago or rewrite history. What happened as happened whether we like it or not. What we need to do is work for a better world for the future. When people say "Black Lives Matter" it does not mean "Only Black Lives Matter". 3
Foxin_Mad Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 People in both groups need to get a grip here. It's gone too far.
jammie82uk Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 15 minutes ago, David Hankey said: This whole issue to my mind is getting completely out of hand. Racism and Police brutality are separate issues and putting this slogan on football shirts is totally out of order. ALL lives matter and racism should be kicked out of our society. As for the past no-one can changed what happened centuries ago or rewrite history. What happened as happened whether we like it or not. What we need to do is work for a better world for the future. You are correct but..... If a house on your street was on fire, would you expect the fire service to arrive and train their hoses on all the houses? Of course not. While they would, rightly, argue that all homes matter, in that very moment they’ll focus their attention and expertise on the house that’s burning down. And so it is with Black Lives Matter. All lives should matter, and all lives will matter when black lives also matter equally. 1
Foxin_Mad Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, jammie82uk said: You are correct but..... If a house on your street was on fire, would you expect the fire service to arrive and train their hoses on all the houses? Of course not. While they would, rightly, argue that all homes matter, in that very moment they’ll focus their attention and expertise on the house that’s burning down. And so it is with Black Lives Matter. All lives should matter, and all lives will matter when black lives also matter equally. But likewise if we are really concentrating on the core important matter at hand here. Why are we concentrating on pulling down houses and sheds in the next street built hundreds of years ago that aren't on fire?? Could it be to wind people up and cause more hatred and division? Edited 13 June 2020 by Foxin_Mad
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