Spudulike Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 11 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said: People in both groups need to get a grip here. It's gone too far. Not just here. It kicked off big time in Paris today. I think the PL decision, whilst well meaning, will need to be reviewed. Stick to 'Kick it Out'.
josh_baskin Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 (edited) Hope this is only a small minority Edited 13 June 2020 by josh_baskin
Hammo Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 9 minutes ago, jammie82uk said: You are correct but..... If a house on your street was on fire, would you expect the fire service to arrive and train their hoses on all the houses? Of course not. While they would, rightly, argue that all homes matter, in that very moment they’ll focus their attention and expertise on the house that’s burning down. And so it is with Black Lives Matter. All lives should matter, and all lives will matter when black lives also matter equally. Your allegory is borrowed. And flawed. It assumes that there are no houses on fire on any other streets in the town (and that if there are, they are not worthy of the same priority; and therefore don’t matter as much). All Lives Matter.
Carl the Llama Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 1 minute ago, josh_baskin said: I need to get tanned fast No you just need to stop falling for obvious smear campaigns. I mean come on, what part of that makes you think it's genuine? I'm honestly curious because if I had to design a poorly made false-flag propaganda attempt from the perspective of a pale-skinned Scotsman who's spent too long staring at 4-chan message boards I would cheat and use that picture.
josh_baskin Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: No you just need to stop falling for obvious smear campaigns. I mean come on, what part of that makes you think it's genuine? I'm honestly curious because if I had to design a poorly made false-flag propaganda attempt from the perspective of a pale-skinned Scotsman who's spent too long staring at 4-chan message boards I would cheat and use that picture. Genuinely hope it is made up Edited 13 June 2020 by josh_baskin
Vestan Pance Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said: It's fvcking disgusting and not at all what BLM is about. What about David Dorn and the other Police officers killed by BLM protests? What about the guy who lost half his head when a statue that was being pulled down hit him? What about the businesses lost and burnt in the protests? Is that what BLM is all about?
Wymsey Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 Would it be more beneficial if this topic was moved to General Chat, which is a bit of a haven for politically-related matters? 1
Carl the Llama Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 15 minutes ago, josh_baskin said: Genuinely hope it is made up If you aren't sure then you probably shouldn't be spreading it as though it's real. But it really couldn't be more obvious. 1 minute ago, Vestan Pance said: What about David Dorn and the other Police officers killed by BLM protests? What about the guy who lost half his head when a statue that was being pulled down hit him? What about the businesses lost and burnt in the protests? Is that what BLM is all about? If you could explain how you think any of them are what it's all about that would make it easier for me to address your misconceptions, I can't picture the argument for any of those examples being things the BLM protesters want to see happen.
josh_baskin Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: If you aren't sure then you probably shouldn't be spreading it as though it's real. But it really couldn't be more obvious. If you could explain how you think any of them are what it's all about that would make it easier for me to address your misconceptions, I can't picture the argument for any of those examples being things the BLM protesters want to see happen. Who could ever know what’s going though the minds of the person printing them, hatred or just sick amusement. Anyhow hopefully all this will have blown over by next week to some degree so all that matters is city again, at least we can all agree on that Edited 13 June 2020 by josh_baskin
UHDrive Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 I never thought I'd see the day when the media and social media companies set off the dangerous precedent that made the way for tagging BLM on PL shirts. It should be left to "kick it out". To have it politicized is disgusting and only opens the draw to many other disgusting acts of historic racism, or similar one off persistent hate crimes to be called for too. We've well and truly opened pandoras box now and everyone under the sun who feels aggrieved in this way will now expect to have our football shirts adorned with some other similar logo. I have stated my support in other ways for BLM, but I cannot in good conscience agree to do so in this manner.
Vestan Pance Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 5 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: If you aren't sure then you probably shouldn't be spreading it as though it's real. But it really couldn't be more obvious. If you could explain how you think any of them are what it's all about that would make it easier for me to address your misconceptions, I can't picture the argument for any of those examples being things the BLM protesters want to see happen. Unfortunately these 'things" are the effect of attempting to approach change through anarchy rather than non violent, constructive behaviour. It comes with the territory, if they didn't know what this type of protest is all about then they know nothing of history.
Carl the Llama Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 5 minutes ago, Vestan Pance said: Unfortunately these 'things" are the effect of attempting to approach change through anarchy rather than non violent, constructive behaviour. It comes with the territory, if they didn't know what this type of protest is all about then they know nothing of history. You mean this sort of thing?: The exciting violence will gain more attention and bad actors will use that to make people forget that the staggering majority of protesters have been doing so peacefully. 3
HankMarvin Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 7 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: You mean this sort of thing?: The exciting violence will gain more attention and bad actors will use that to make people forget that the staggering majority of protesters have been doing so peacefully. Unfortunately In the end they will all get tarred with the same brush. Just like how any peaceful ex Military or armed forces that wanted to defend Memorials are portrayed as right wing thugs in the media.
swanlee Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 21 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Unfortunately In the end they will all get tarred with the same brush. Just like how any peaceful ex Military or armed forces that wanted to defend Memorials are portrayed as right wing thugs in the media. Described as a yob in the Daily Mail. When ya' gotta' go you gotta' go, but I have to say I agree. And for the record I do believe there is a minority that have hijacked the BLM protests with violence. They've got their own political agenda, yes. But don't paint what happened today as whiter than white. Peaceful defence of the memorials ..... please
HankMarvin Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 8 minutes ago, swanlee said: Described as a yob in the Daily Mail. When ya' gotta' go you gotta' go, but I have to say I agree. And for the record I do believe there is a minority that have hijacked the BLM protests with violence. They've got their own political agenda, yes. But don't paint what happened today as whiter than white. Peaceful defence of the memorials ..... please Missing the point, I’m not talking about the nobs going there fighting today. im talking about the people a few days ago that were peacefully protecting monuments.
swanlee Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Missing the point, I’m not talking about the nobs going there fighting today. im talking about the people a few days ago that were peacefully protecting Apologies .... tbh never saw anything about this. I had a quick google now and yes various news outlets reported that there were people stepping out to protect the monuments. Fair do's to them ....... they are our heritage after all. I don't see anyone describing them as right-wing thugs though. But did see that one Steven Yaxley Lennon was mooted to turn up at one point to defend them. We don't wanna' see that twat turn up do we? It's funny how the far-right always play the forces/ex-service card. Of all the ex-service people I've ever known (and I'm related to some). They've always held a range of differing political views (and this includes hard left and what can only be described as apolitical). Kinda' reflective of society really - the way it should be . Edited 13 June 2020 by swanlee
Guest SO1 Posted 13 June 2020 Posted 13 June 2020 2 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: You mean this sort of thing?: The exciting violence will gain more attention and bad actors will use that to make people forget that the staggering majority of protesters have been doing so peacefully. Who has the power of the Media to control a story? Its not the poor and middle class.
Strokes Posted 14 June 2020 Posted 14 June 2020 22 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said: I am happy for this to be used as a way too get equal treatment for the whole black community. Football should use its wide coverage for the good. I do feel however the movement is being hijacked by some hard left extremist groups wanting to push their extremist behaviour. We must be careful. Pretty much what I was going to say.
Bazly Posted 14 June 2020 Author Posted 14 June 2020 An aspect of BLM activity that isn't being covered to any extent in UK MSM is the anarchist/socialist takeover of downtown Seattle following on from BLM protests. The likes of the Guardian cover it in their US section but you won't find it in their UK pages. The democratic mayor is happy for it to continue without any city, state or police involvement The Democratic congressman claimed he didn't even know it'd happened, the takeover was 5 days ago. The group has demands ranging from the arrest of the US President to cigarettes being shipped in free while they are busy undertaking a remodelling of buildings, tilling the parks ready for a vegan lifestyle and adding extensive ethnic artwork. It could easily happen here in the likes of St Pauls in Bristol where the police have history of tactically hiding. I wonder if the EPL really has though this whole thing through and why MSM here is avoiding the story where BLM is being hijacked by political agitators and activists heel bent on destruction of the State..
swanlee Posted 14 June 2020 Posted 14 June 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bazly said: An aspect of BLM activity that isn't being covered to any extent in UK MSM is the anarchist/socialist takeover of downtown Seattle following on from BLM protests. The likes of the Guardian cover it in their US section but you won't find it in their UK pages. The democratic mayor is happy for it to continue without any city, state or police involvement The Democratic congressman claimed he didn't even know it'd happened, the takeover was 5 days ago. The group has demands ranging from the arrest of the US President to cigarettes being shipped in free while they are busy undertaking a remodelling of buildings, tilling the parks ready for a vegan lifestyle and adding extensive ethnic artwork. It could easily happen here in the likes of St Pauls in Bristol where the police have history of tactically hiding. I wonder if the EPL really has though this whole thing through and why MSM here is avoiding the story where BLM is being hijacked by political agitators and activists heel bent on destruction of the State.. I think you've answered your own question. It is a high-jacking by social anarchist groups who have a very different agenda. So while the very justifiable anger being demonstrated by the BLM protests is being covered by mainstream media, the groups trying to piggy-back publicity off the back of it are not being given the attention they want. Thanks for flagging, interesting, But I dont see anything wrong with it, especially if it prevents copy cat occupations breaking out by similarly aligned nefarious groups. Edited 14 June 2020 by swanlee
CosbehFox Posted 14 June 2020 Posted 14 June 2020 Sounds an awful lot like Christiania within Copenhagen which has occurred in Seattle. Which is pretty cool like. 1
Fox92 Posted 14 June 2020 Posted 14 June 2020 15 hours ago, StanSP said: Not sure if it's the same guy but there was a video of about 10 BLM protesters beating up one far right protester on his own.
CosbehFox Posted 14 June 2020 Posted 14 June 2020 8 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Not sure if it's the same guy but there was a video of about 10 BLM protesters beating up one far right protester on his own. BLM didn't have a protest yesterday.
Fox92 Posted 14 June 2020 Posted 14 June 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: BLM didn't have a protest yesterday. Apologies, just some randoms then. Just judging by the caption in that photo it says yesterday's date, 13th. Edited 14 June 2020 by Fox92
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