BLM support to be displayed on shirts

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Apologies, just some randoms then. Just judging by the caption in that photo it says yesterday's date, 13th.

Wasn't meant to be personal in anyway because the media are equally as culpable. Must be gutting if you in the midst of the BLM movement to see idiots doing this. 

[Unabomber]

I can’t believe any fellow Leicester fans are actually against this? What is wrong with you? True colours are really starting to come out. 

Edited 14 June 2020 by Unabomber

[filbertway]

Looking forward to racism being eradicated by the 22nd June!

[MPH]

On 13/06/2020 at 04:15, Cardiff_Fox said:

That’s a shame because it’s happening. Never thought I’d see the day that eradicating racism is judged as Stalinist

I don’t think having the  BLM slogan on the back of a shirt will eradicate racism. I think education will.

[CosbehFox]

55 minutes ago, MPH said:

I don’t think having the  BLM slogan on the back of a shirt will eradicate racism. I think education will.

And that’s not what I said.
 

Poster says BLM group is Stalinist. BLM as a group aim is to eradicate racism. Such an aim isn’t Stalinist. 
 

As a poster already said the BLM slogan won’t change a lot of people’s minds. However there will be plenty of children who may see the message, won’t view it as anything political and learn via education. It reminds me of the campaign Nike did with wristbands and then the international friendlies with the black half, white half shirts. 
 

 

Edited 14 June 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[MPH]

4 hours ago, Unabomber said:

I can’t believe any fellow Leicester fans are actually against this? What is wrong with you? True colours are really starting to come out. 

 

 

i don’t think anyone is truly against it are they?

 

 

 

personally i’m concerned that it’s an empty gesture with no education or progress following behind it. I want change. 

Edited 14 June 2020 by MPH

[StanSP]

9 hours ago, MPH said:

 

 

i don’t think anyone is truly against it are they?

 

I think quite a few posters really are. 

 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

50 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I think quite a few posters really are. 

 

 

Who is against it?

 

I think the majority are in favour or an anti racism message being displayed. Some people are questioning whether Black Lives Matters 'may' have been politicised to the point it has lost its core meaning.

 

I think pretty much all of us are against racism and would want to display and anti-racist message, if this is the message the Premier league choose than so be it. 

 

I still remain concerned that when you have the leader of a movement Imarn Ayton demanding the removal of the Churchill statue, there is a little bit more of an agenda in place. 

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think the majority are in favour or an anti racism message being displayed. Some people are questioning whether Black Lives Matters 'may' have been politicised to the point it has lost its core meaning.

 

I think pretty much all of us are against racism and would want to display and anti-racist message, if this is the message the Premier league choose than so be it. 

Read from the start of the thread... 

[Sharpe's Fox]

anyone who engages their brain for more than ten seconds will realise that racism in the West is tied to perceptions of former colonised peoples, and any substantial analysis of colonialism concludes its driving force is capitalism. Thus, it is not a reach for a anti-racist movements to take on an anti-capitalist themes. As the pre-eminent critic of capitalism then Marx and his conclusions will obviously be cited by those in BLM as relevant.

[Foxin_Mad]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Read from the start of the thread... 

I haven't seen too many people against it maybe 1 or 2.

 

Some people have expressed concerns. I think some of those concerns are justified. 

[StanSP]

On 13/06/2020 at 08:35, Wortho said:

I quite agree. I don't want BLM on the back of players shirts. Extreme political movements shouldn't be allowed to use football to further their Stalinist views.

 

On 13/06/2020 at 09:17, steveherbe said:

I don't agree with this at all. Unless we have White Lives Matter on shirts for 12 games as well, football itself is being racist. Keep politics out of football.

 

 

On 13/06/2020 at 10:35, Spudulike said:

I think that perhaps football should stick with the 'Kick it out' message. No need for BLM. 

 

On 13/06/2020 at 10:52, Angus Scott said:

I posted my thoughts on this on another thread last Thursday.

 

It is a joke, the shirts will soon be full of so many adverts & political messages that we won't be able to see the colours. Don't be surprised if we all are asked to "take the knee" for 8 minutes odd when we eventually get back  for the first game at the stadium

 

On 13/06/2020 at 12:45, Wortho said:

Basically BLM are from the US not the UK. They're anti capitalist and want to refund the police. 

"Kick it out" would be fine. Why don't the players have "Floyd" on their shirts as a tribute to the murdered thug.

 

On 13/06/2020 at 13:30, BlueSi13 said:

An absolutely terrible decision from the Premier League. 

 

There's simply no hiding the fact that Black Lives Matter are a militant Marxist organisation that wants to abolish Capitalism.  It's literally spelled out on their own GoFundMe page:

 

https://uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund

 

Let's not forget they also want to defund/abolish the Police (will future games no longer be policed then?).

 

Politics has absolutely no place in sport, especially when it's this divisive.  

 

If the Premier League had proposed to put "NO TO RACISM" on the back of the shirts then that would be absolutely fine, but instead FORCING players to bear the name of an organisation responsible the desecration of the Cenotaph, Churchill statue and attacks on Police then it sends out a terrible message.

 

Yes to fighting racism.

No to Black Lives Matter.

 

On 13/06/2020 at 15:17, jonathan_ross said:

Well I’ll be boycotting games next season if the support for the organisation continues.

 

To anyone who thinks everyone is for BLM on shirts and has no problem with it... 

[David Guiza]

13 hours ago, filbertway said:

Looking forward to racism being eradicated by the 22nd June!

May as well stop all charity work if this is your outlook on good causes. If a single event can't stop poverty, bring about world peace, or provide equality then what's the point, eh? 

 

I can only assume that those questioning why this necessary, or even dismissing it completely, haven't attended a football game before. We, as football fans, are unfortunately the demographic that anti-racism messages of all kinds need to be shared to. One only needs to look at what happened in London and beyond on Saturday to see that football is quite often a shared passion of the pondlife of society, there's no escaping that. I've witnessed firsthand numerous incidents of racism whilst following our wonderful club, both from and towards our supporters/players. Some of these people will never change, but if this tiny gesture 'infiltrating' the sport that they love changes even a handful of peoples opinions then it's a worthwhile venture. 

 

Football fans really can be a bizarre bunch. Happy to commemorate the death of the King of Thailand in spite of the man's controversies, happy to welcome the Saudi Royal Family with open arms providing they generate success on the field, happy to support an out and out racist if he scores 20+ goals a season, happy to sing about austerity if it winds up the opposing fans etc etc etc, but draw the line at a tiny gesture towards ending racial inequality. 

Edited 15 June 2020 by David Guiza

[Foxin_Mad]

10 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

anyone who engages their brain for more than ten seconds will realise that racism in the West is tied to perceptions of former colonised peoples, and any substantial analysis of colonialism concludes its driving force is capitalism. Thus, it is not a reach for a anti-racist movements to take on an anti-capitalist themes. As the pre-eminent critic of capitalism then Marx and his conclusions will obviously be cited by those in BLM as relevant.

For anyone who engages their brain for more than 10 seconds. Its not quite as simple as that though is it? 

[Foxin_Mad]

14 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To anyone who thinks everyone is for BLM on shirts and has no problem with it... 

The majority of people have no problem with an Anti-Racism message from what I can see from your 'evidence'.

 

They are questioning whether BLM is the correct vehicle to do that, which I think given the fact the figure head of the group (Imarn Ayton) has called for the removal of a statue of Churchill, seems fair.

 

Is removing a statue from 70 years ago going to help black lives in 2020 or is it going to antagonise people in 2020?

 

Now either BLM needs get it CORE message more clearly across and stop engaging in political horsemanship or the Premier league might be better displaying a different anti racism message. Obviously it is what it is and I am sure if the core message is 100% Anti-Racism then (most) people will support it 100%.

 

 

 

[Wortho]

I don't think anyone would object in having an anti racism message on the shirts. I don't want a BLM political message adorning LCFC shirts.

 

I hope that doesn't make me a racist

[Sharpe's Fox]

1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

For anyone who engages their brain for more than 10 seconds. Its not quite as simple as that though is it? 

No. But its a reasonable sequence that demonstrates why BLM has a distinct anti-capitalist/Marxist tone in its analysis of racism on a football forum pal

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

They are questioning whether BLM is the correct vehicle to do that, which I think given the fact the figure head of the group (Imarn Ayton) has called for the removal of a statue of Churchill, seems fair.

 

Telling half of a story there - when asked, she suggested that such a statue be positioned in a museum. 
 

In the same interview, she told protesters not to attend London on Saturday. 
 

The quotes from the interview were:- 

 

‘Yes I do. I believe these statues should be moved to a museum I think it's a win win for everyone.’ 
 

'It no longer offends the black nation, but we get to keep our history and keep those that would like to see that.

 

'Any statue of people who has spoken negatively towards black people is going to be offensive. Any man.'
 

We have to be sensible enough as a nation to realise that’s simply an opinion to a debate. 

[filbertway]

2 hours ago, David Guiza said:

May as well stop all charity work if this is your outlook on good causes. If a single event can't stop poverty, bring about world peace, or provide equality then what's the point, eh? 

 

I can only assume that those questioning why this necessary, or even dismissing it completely, haven't attended a football game before. We, as football fans, are unfortunately the demographic that anti-racism messages of all kinds need to be shared to. One only needs to look at what happened in London and beyond on Saturday to see that football is quite often a shared passion of the pondlife of society, there's no escaping that. I've witnessed firsthand numerous incidents of racism whilst following our wonderful club, both from and towards our supporters/players. Some of these people will never change, but if this tiny gesture 'infiltrating' the sport that they love changes even a handful of peoples opinions then it's a worthwhile venture. 

 

Football fans really can be a bizarre bunch. Happy to commemorate the death of the King of Thailand in spite of the man's controversies, happy to welcome the Saudi Royal Family with open arms providing they generate success on the field, happy to support an out and out racist if he scores 20+ goals a season, happy to sing about austerity if it winds up the opposing fans etc etc etc, but draw the line at a tiny gesture towards ending racial inequality. 

I'm intrigued to what you think will be achieved by it. I've been thinking and I can't envisage anything other than a few pats on the back on social media by people that are already supporting the message.

 

I honestly can't see it changing any opinions or actually achieving anything other than people that already support the message going "yeah, nice one". I suppose if they think it makes them feel good about themselves than you could claim it's a positive.

 

I don't think kids will be affected by it, I certainly remember seeing kick it out as a kid and didn't really care, I was just concerned about the football. I remember asking my parents what "rackism" was as haha.

 

On your final paragraph. I think a lot of football fans just support stuff that provides positives for their club. A very hypocritical and reactive bunch that in the main don't think long term and only see things as black and white. 

[swanlee]

2 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

anyone who engages their brain for more than ten seconds will realise that racism in the West is tied to perceptions of former colonised peoples, and any substantial analysis of colonialism concludes its driving force is capitalism. Thus, it is not a reach for a anti-racist movements to take on an anti-capitalist themes. As the pre-eminent critic of capitalism then Marx and his conclusions will obviously be cited by those in BLM as relevant.

Its not a reach to suggest that some of them are cultural marxists. To be expected really ... a rallying call they are going to answer.

 

But what annoys me, and what a few posters on here don't seem to get, is that great many of the protestors are justifiably angered simply over the murder of a man by a serving police officer.

 

The fact that a few protesters have spouted anti-capitalist rhetoric is now being used by some posters on this forum, somewhat desperately in some cases, to delegitimise the whole BLM support base.  

[ozleicester]

3 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

anyone who engages their brain for more than ten seconds will realise that racism in the West is tied to perceptions of former colonised peoples, and any substantial analysis of colonialism concludes its driving force is capitalism. Thus, it is not a reach for a anti-racist movements to take on an anti-capitalist themes. As the pre-eminent critic of capitalism then Marx and his conclusions will obviously be cited by those in BLM as relevant.

[Nicolo Barella]

Can't believe this is even remotely controversial lol. Well I can, but it's sad.

[Wortho]

1 hour ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Can't believe this is even remotely controversial lol. Well I can, but it's sad.

This is total surrender to anarchy and Marxism, and if your happy without a police force then it's not controversial.

[Sharpe's Fox]

1 hour ago, swanlee said:

Its not a reach to suggest that some of them are cultural marxists. To be expected really ... a rallying call they are going to answer.

 

But what annoys me, and what a few posters on here don't seem to get, is that great many of the protestors are justifiably angered simply over the murder of a man by a serving police officer.

 

The fact that a few protesters have spouted anti-capitalist rhetoric is now being used by some posters on this forum, somewhat desperately in some cases, to delegitimise the whole BLM support base.  

I appreciate your response mate but you may want to refrain from using the term "cultural Marxists" which is pretty abhorrent term loaded with anti-Semitism.

[David Guiza]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

I'm intrigued to what you think will be achieved by it. I've been thinking and I can't envisage anything other than a few pats on the back on social media by people that are already supporting the message.

 

I honestly can't see it changing any opinions or actually achieving anything other than people that already support the message going "yeah, nice one". I suppose if they think it makes them feel good about themselves than you could claim it's a positive.

 

I don't think kids will be affected by it, I certainly remember seeing kick it out as a kid and didn't really care, I was just concerned about the football. I remember asking my parents what "rackism" was as haha.

 

On your final paragraph. I think a lot of football fans just support stuff that provides positives for their club. A very hypocritical and reactive bunch that in the main don't think long term and only see things as black and white. 

It's difficult to say what will be achieved, but putting out a message is the right thing to do. If one fool is considers his previous actions/thoughts and changes their mind in a positive way then it's worthwhile in my opinion. You could use the same argument against any single thing that sports people do, 

 

I think some kids are affected by it, but I was probably similar to you at the time! Footballers can be great role models and examples for tolerance and education, you only have to look at players like Salah whom have clearly had a positive impact on some fans understanding of Islam. Sure it shouldn't take a brilliant footballer to change your opinion, but it certainly does. Sport can be both the cause and the solution when you consider things like Jesse Owens, Muhammad Ali, the infamous USA  v Iran game at 1998 World Cup etc.