If BR & club having transfer issues then bring loanees back

[UHDrive]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Ah right, Rudkin and co have not done their annual update of transfer business on radio Leicester ? Strange that.

Why strange? Strange because of the fact that since I've been supporting city 35 years that, that the club/manger have talked about transfers just prior and during a transfer window. City's silence is deafening.

[jeffschlupp]

Just now, UHDrive said:

Why strange? Strange because of the fact that since I've been supporting city 35 years that, that the club/manger have talked about transfers just prior and during a transfer window. City's silence is deafening.

The club have said bugger all about transfers for years, you will rarely see a PL manager in 2020 say anything more than 'I don't talk about other team's players' and 'we want to invest'.

 

Rodgers said after United and said throughout the restart that they would look to invest and improve as in any summer, with emphasis on the word creativity.

 

Can everyone stop having a meltdown that we are skint, run by incompetent people or there is currently an intra-club mutiny ongoing? Everything is fine. We will sign players, it all takes time. 

 

You cannot judge a window until it's over, there is absolutely no getting away from that.

[UHDrive]

1 minute ago, jeffschlupp said:

The club have said bugger all about transfers for years, you will rarely see a PL manager in 2020 say anything more than 'I don't talk about other team's players' and 'we want to invest'.

 

Rodgers said after United and said throughout the restart that they would look to invest and improve as in any summer, with emphasis on the word creativity.

 

Can everyone stop having a meltdown that we are skint, run by incompetent people or there is currently an intra-club mutiny ongoing? Everything is fine. We will sign players, it all takes time. 

 

You cannot judge a window until it's over, there is absolutely no getting away from that.

Well this window is pretty short so you can shut it pretty quick, along with injurys, internationals, cup comps,  pl & el.

 

The club this time are leaving it far too late. It isnt panicking, its realism.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

19 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

Why strange? Strange because of the fact that since I've been supporting city 35 years that, that the club/manger have talked about transfers just prior and during a transfer window. City's silence is deafening.

When, in the last ten years post Sven has a manager come out and given us a break down of our targets ? Even when players are spotted on planes the club have not come out till it’s done.
 

[Ric Flair]

15 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

The club have said bugger all about transfers for years, you will rarely see a PL manager in 2020 say anything more than 'I don't talk about other team's players' and 'we want to invest'.

 

Rodgers said after United and said throughout the restart that they would look to invest and improve as in any summer, with emphasis on the word creativity.

 

Can everyone stop having a meltdown that we are skint, run by incompetent people or there is currently an intra-club mutiny ongoing? Everything is fine. We will sign players, it all takes time. 

 

You cannot judge a window until it's over, there is absolutely no getting away from that.

You are right but the fans frustrations are understandable, we've not made a signing for over a year now except for Ryan Bennett on loan. Fans crave signings in modern football and the longer this goes on the more riled they will get. This regime haven't been behind any large scale recruitment either so it all feels a bit tetchy that we could actually fail to strengthen and that is unthinkable. At best we are starting the season with a weaker side than last year and any new signings are going to face quarantine etc so its going to be chaos.

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

When, in the last ten years post Sven has a manager come out and given us a break down of our targets ? Even when players are spotted on planes the club have not come out till it’s done.
 

No but they will often repeat that they are actively looking to make signings, allude to areas where they will recruit and give  few snippets to appease the fans. This preseason it seems the club are deliberately keeping themselves to themselves on information on preseason and the forthcoming campaign. 

[Corky]

Now Brendan's finished reminiscing about Liverpool's failures he can sort ours out.

 

Minimum 3 players before 13th September, please.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

No but they will often repeat that they are actively looking to make signings, allude to areas where they will recruit and give  few snippets to appease the fans. This preseason it seems the club are deliberately keeping themselves to themselves on information on preseason and the forthcoming campaign. 

Because there is a limitation on outside media and behind close doors matches. No soccer AM events etc. The club media is running the interviews not sky sports. The question are just not the same as usual seasons. 

[Ric Flair]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

Because there is a limitation on outside media and behind close doors matches. No soccer AM events etc. The club media is running the interviews not sky sports. The question are just not the same as usual seasons. 

Didn't stop the stream of media during the restart of the 2019/20 season. Absolutely nothing stopping reporters asking such questions after preseason games or the club thinking " you know what, perhaps in light of the fans feeling even more disengaged than ever with their football club due to being forced to stay away, we'll step up our communication lines with them "

[jeffschlupp]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

You are right but the fans frustrations are understandable, we've not made a signing for over a year now except for Ryan Bennett on loan. Fans crave signings in modern football and the longer this goes on the more riled they will get. This regime haven't been behind any large scale recruitment either so it all feels a bit tetchy that we could actually fail to strengthen and that is unthinkable. At best we are starting the season with a weaker side than last year and any new signings are going to face quarantine etc so its going to be chaos.

So we've signed one player on loan when the window has been open for two months of the last 12? I'm not sure I understand your point, we did a deal on deadline day last summer and we don't do January business.

 

As I pointed out on another thread, there's been hardly any deals in the first 5 weeks of the window that aren't loans made permanent; players from clubs in financial difficulty or that have been relegation; release clauses; or players that have asked to leave/are free agents. That group of options doesn't give you a great deal of quality, generally speaking.

 

Aside from Chelsea who have gone nuts, Gabriel (Arsenal), Eze (Palace), Doherty (Spurs), Lemina (Fulham), Tsimikas (Liverpool) are the few exceptions to those I can think of off the top of my head, there can't be that many more. We're already seeing some more movement like Allan, van de Beek etc this week and in fact most of those done deals I've listed have happened this week, so slowly but surely we are seeing an upswing in business.

 

The market often springs into life and never more so with us. I'm personally content to start the season without signings if it saves the club valuable money and the manager has enough to get results. Keep the faith folks.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Didn't stop the stream of media during the restart of the 2019/20 season. Absolutely nothing stopping reporters asking such questions after preseason games or the club thinking " you know what, perhaps in light of the fans feeling even more disengaged than ever with their football club due to being forced to stay away, we'll step up our communication lines with them "

Firstly, the clubs media service is not going to do that. It just won’t. Professionally any indication that we are interested in players away from the club could hamper a deal. 
 

Secondly, the media has to be limited. The lockdown and season stop cause a number of implications. The re-start was professional games where coverage were justified - not the same principles for pre-season friendlies. 
 

Look, personally I think the club are being cute. Trying to push the deals to the latest time possible to get the best deals. I think there are genuine targets but it’s a strategy the club are taking to get the best fees. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, believe me, my opinion will change and I think after the 2016 summer window and the silva debacle, this will be the final straw for the higher ups in charge. Until then, best to stay calm.

[Ric Flair]

2 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

So we've signed one player on loan when the window has been open for two months of the last 12? I'm not sure I understand your point, we did a deal on deadline day last summer and we don't do January business.

 

As I pointed out on another thread, there's been hardly any deals in the first 5 weeks of the window that aren't loans made permanent; players from clubs in financial difficulty or that have been relegation; release clauses; or players that have asked to leave/are free agents. That group of options doesn't give you a great deal of quality, generally speaking.

 

Aside from Chelsea who have gone nuts, Gabriel (Arsenal), Eze (Palace), Doherty (Spurs), Lemina (Fulham), Tsimikas (Liverpool) are the few exceptions to those I can think of off the top of my head, there can't be that many more. We're already seeing some more movement like Allan, van de Beek etc this week and in fact most of those done deals I've listed have happened this week, so slowly but surely we are seeing an upswing in business.

 

The market often springs into life and never more so with us. I'm personally content to start the season without signings if it saves the club valuable money and the manager has enough to get results. Keep the faith folks.

We went a whole window where we scrabbled around for Ryan Bennett come the end of it and so far there's been zero action this window except to sell Chilwell. Its quite understandable why fans are concerned, we are one of only 3 clubs (soon to be 2) that haven't made a signing this summer so spin it how you like pal, it's whiffy but all is not lost, let's hope for the first time in many years they can juggle many deals at once come the close of the window, it will get interesting.

[jeffschlupp]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We went a whole window where we scrabbled around for Ryan Bennett come the end of it and so far there's been zero action this window except to sell Chilwell. Its quite understandable why fans are concerned, we are one of only 3 clubs (soon to be 2) that haven't made a signing this summer so spin it how you like pal, it's whiffy but all is not lost, let's hope for the first time in many years they can juggle many deals at once come the close of the window, it will get interesting.

We went a whole window where we wanted a CB, we couldn't get the primary target so took a loan deal to let a prospect get 6 months on loan. You know, a carbon copy of the January 2017 window where the club wanted Maguire or Gibson, couldn't get either as their clubs were fighting for their lives, settled for Wague on loan as cover, then got their no.1 target for pennies in the summer. There is nothing worse than scrambling around and paying over the odds in January, cough Andy Carroll to Liverpool cough.

 

Nobody would've thought we'd have needed Bennett given Benkovic hardly played in the first half of the season (not in the league whatsoever) and the fact our injury record is the joint best in the division by far since promotion. Shit happens.

 

You can say I'm spinning it but I'm looking at the facts of how the window works. Those easy deals that I mentioned mostly get done first, if the club don't have primary targets among those groups of players then they won't get them. We are then chucking £20-40m, huge money in difficult and drawn out negotiations in a time when every penny counts, it takes time. The club are not going to do one deal at a time and risk the rest getting snapped up, it's not just Rudkin sat on his laptop on his own.

[Ric Flair]

5 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

We went a whole window where we wanted a CB, we couldn't get the primary target so took a loan deal to let a prospect get 6 months on loan. You know, a carbon copy of the January 2017 window where the club wanted Maguire or Gibson, couldn't get either as their clubs were fighting for their lives, settled for Wague on loan as cover, then got their no.1 target for pennies in the summer. There is nothing worse than scrambling around and paying over the odds in January, cough Andy Carroll to Liverpool cough.

 

Nobody would've thought we'd have needed Bennett given Benkovic hardly played in the first half of the season (not in the league whatsoever) and the fact our injury record is the joint best in the division by far since promotion. Shit happens.

 

You can say I'm spinning it but I'm looking at the facts of how the window works. Those easy deals that I mentioned mostly get done first, if the club don't have primary targets among those groups of players then they won't get them. We are then chucking £20-40m, huge money in difficult and drawn out negotiations in a time when every penny counts, it takes time. The club are not going to do one deal at a time and risk the rest getting snapped up, it's not just Rudkin sat on his laptop on his own.

But we sedom do more than one deal at a time, got a poor track record of bringing multiple players in over a few week period. Koch for the price he has gone to Leeds is a huge disappointment, lets hope Kabak is the one we want more.

[jeffschlupp]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

But we sedom do more than one deal at a time, got a poor track record of bringing multiple players in over a few week period. Koch for the price he has gone to Leeds is a huge disappointment, lets hope Kabak is the one we want more.

We seldom complete more than one deal at a time, yes, but we would've done Slimani and Silva on deadline day 2016 had Sporting not ****ed us over, we did both Silva and Dragovic the following year (AND sorted Drinkwater's departure), and had a look for CBs on loan last summer when Praet was getting done. Tielemans and Perez were done within days of each other and James Justin was signed in the same ten-day period as those two too.

 

It might be Kabak, it will more likely be someone else we've yet to be linked with.

[shailen]

This summer is the first time in a long time where I've felt we haven't got our act together in recruitment. Fortunately we have a good squad of players but we don't have cover in a couple of positions and a few injuries and we will be exposed as we were post lockdown. 

[Raw Dykes]

7 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

We seldom complete more than one deal at a time, yes, but we would've done Slimani and Silva on deadline day 2016 had Sporting not ****ed us over, we did both Silva and Dragovic the following year (AND sorted Drinkwater's departure), and had a look for CBs on loan last summer when Praet was getting done. Tielemans and Perez were done within days of each other and James Justin was signed in the same ten-day period as those two too.

 

It might be Kabak, it will more likely be someone else we've yet to be linked with.

Soyuncu and Benkovic were both on the same deadline day, IIRC, as well.

[Babylon]

12 hours ago, UHDrive said:

The way things are going i dont think anyone can deny that there is something wrong behind the scenes,

Yeah they can.

[UHDrive]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Yeah they can.

Credit to you for your positiveness.

[suffolk fox]

13 hours ago, Wolfox said:

I swear people are reading transfer talk like it’s a live feed from Leicester HQ with Congers, Rudders and  BR posting live updates on ongoing transfer sagas…

 

The time to analyse whether our team has been successful or not in a transfer window or not is 14 seconds past midnight on the day the window closes…

 

What like Adrian Silva did then think...................................................................................oh ****.

[Dr The Singh]

Molla Wague please

[suffolk fox]

Obviously reading this thread and others its clear certain posters are not worried about our current position re lack of transfer activity.  Lets however look at it another way.

 

Read what into it whatever you like but the facts are this current crop of players we have have won four games since January......yes four games.

 

We will be now going into another season with the same group of players bar one Chilwell.

 

We have extra games to contend with in the Europa league I think Wolves last season played in excess of 63 games.  Considering how many they had they did bloody well to compete.  I would arguably say their squad overall does have better players when you compare the respective benches.  We are going to need better quality in the squad in order to compete.  We already have injuries to key players Pierera, Maddison Not including big Wes who quite frankly should retire.

 

If one of Vardy, Tielamans or Soyuncu were to get injured early in the campaign it does not bear thinking about.

 

At this moment in time there has been no mention of Evans, Ndidi or Perez.  Where are they?

 

We need at least four new signings.  Another striker, a  left back to replace Chilwell Thomas is not the answer.  A wide player and perhaps an attacking midfielder too many of ours are passive.

 

I for one am extremely worried for this season.  Silence from the club is deafening.  We show no signs of delving into the transfer market or addressing our problems.  We should be showing ambition instead we are relying on a 36 yr old centre back and a deluge of young kids to see us through this season.

Edited 31 August 2020 by suffolk fox

[Vestan Pance]

34 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

If one of Vardy, Tielamans or Soyuncu were to get injured early in the campaign it does not bear thinking about.

Agree, I keep reading about the lack of form being down to the large number of injuries we suffered late in the season. Two points here, we were already in bad form, and injuries happen to all clubs, it's just a matter of how prepared you are for them.

 

At the current time we aren't strong enough to suffer even one injury, as seen when Vardy or Ndidi were out, that's when the downward trend started.

Edited 31 August 2020 by Vestan Pance

[Webbo]

34 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

Obviously reading this thread and others its clear certain posters are not worried about our current position re lack of transfer activity.  Lets however look at it another way.

 

Read what into it whatever you like but the facts are this current crop of players we have have won four games since January......yes four games.

 

We will be now going into another season with the same group of players bar one Chilwell.

 

We have extra games to contend with in the Europa league I think Wolves last season played in excess of 63 games.  Considering how many they had they did bloody well to compete.  I would arguably say their squad overall does have better players when you compare the respective benches.  We are going to need better quality in the squad in order to compete.  We already have injuries to key players Pierera, Maddison Not including big Wes who quite frankly should retire.

 

If one of Vardy, Tielamans or Soyuncu were to get injured early in the campaign it does not bear thinking about.

 

At this moment in time there has been no mention of Evans, Ndidi or Perez.  Where are they?

 

We need at least four new signings.  Another striker, a  left back to replace Chilwell Thomas is not the answer.  A wide player and perhaps an attacking midfielder too many of ours are passive.

 

I for one am extremely worried for this season.  Silence from the club is deafening.  We show no signs of delving into the transfer market or addressing our problems.  We should be showing ambition instead we are relying on a 36 yr old centre back and a deluge of young kids to see us through this season.

No one's saying we don't want new recruits, it's just we're not panicking because we haven't signed them yet and we don't believe all the ridiculous conspiracy theories circulating why. 

[Le Renard]

I can see a reason to use Silva in Europe, where the game is played at a slower tempo but why would Rodgers bring back Slimani, when he shipped out the big man Carroll at Liverpool who cost 35 million.