Zaha on taking the knee

[urban.spaceman]

 

[Houdini Logic]

I feel it's a shame to stop it but Zaha raises some good points about how it feels degrading, something I hadn't properly considered

[Hammo]

Well done, Zaha. Finally a voice of reason on this thorny and very divisive issue.

 

 

 

[Jon the Hat]

On 13/02/2021 at 17:21, Tuna said:

I see these comments have already been seized upon by the sinister, odious Laurence Fox on twitter to push his poisonous agenda.

He might be have different views to you but he shares them with millions of your fellow citizens- likely the majority - who don't buy into critical race theory nonsense.

[David Guiza]

4 minutes ago, Hammo said:

Well done, Zaha. Finally a voice of reason on this thorny and very divisive issue.

 

 

 

I get the argument that it's tokenism, and in itself without any further changes and implementations it can be seen as empty gesture. What started out as a huge tremor with Kaepernick in the US could be said to have petered out to nothingness here, but I wouldn't say it was divisive? 

 

As for Lyle Taylor, perhaps I've judged him too harshly, it after all difficult to praise a Forest player, but he doesn't strike me a beacon of hope for equality. 

 

 

 

[Jimmy]

On 16/02/2021 at 19:39, South Shire Fox said:

Did it ever actually have an impact though? Most the players looked like they couldnt give two shits about it after the few games and just went along with it because they had to. There were numerous times where players ran into the opponents half from the refs whistle thinking that the game had started where ‘solidarity’ clearly wasnt on their mind 😂
 

it allowed commentators to talk in a solemn pious tone about how powerful a message it was, its a PR thing now for the PL, they have backed themselves into a corner if they stop doing it

[Hammo]

25 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

I get the argument that it's tokenism, and in itself without any further changes and implementations it can be seen as empty gesture. What started out as a huge tremor with Kaepernick in the US could be said to have petered out to nothingness here, but I wouldn't say it was divisive? 

 

As for Lyle Taylor, perhaps I've judged him too harshly, it after all difficult to praise a Forest player, but he doesn't strike me a beacon of hope for equality. 

 

 

 

I don't mean this as a personal slight, but to not understand how 'taking the knee' repeatedly before every Premier League game constitutes a divisive act is, I'm afraid, a common failing - mostly of virtue-signalling bandwagon-jumpers who refuse to entertain the existence of a more considered, different point of view. Such as Zaha's. Which is why he should be applauded for speaking out against it. Collective common sense is the path to enlightenment and equality, not mass coercion.

[Bryn]

I think it should always have been a one off. It was really impactful that first time it happened, not so much since.

[sishades]

I think this shows that the authorities ,PFA, and Jim White (odius individual)  are out of touch and that players were in fact not consulted and forced into performing this "degrading" act. Well done Wilf Zaha...a voice of reason, stand tall and don't subvert oneself. 

Edited 19 February 2021 by sishades

[yorkie1999]

The problem with a gesture such as taking the knee before every game is that the effect, or shock, of it wears off. Footballers taking the knee probably think that’s their bit done by raising awareness of racism and are United against it but, things haven’t changed and it seems that there is even more of it on social media towards players just recently. Eventually it will have the opposite effect of what the original idea was as people start to question it.

[leicsmac]

11 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

He might be have different views to you but he shares them with millions of your fellow citizens- likely the majority - who don't buy into critical race theory nonsense.

Mr Fox would rather believe that institutionalised racism doesn't exist at all, as evidently would his supporters.

 

Events in the US and elsewhere show that this is wrong, which is how the BLM movement came to be in the first place.

 

So, though taking a knee has been reduced to just something teams do before kickoff and agreed that it doesn't hold meaning, there has to be something done to address it. What might it be?

[Carl the Llama]

On 19/02/2021 at 17:11, Hammo said:

I don't mean this as a personal slight, but to not understand how 'taking the knee' repeatedly before every Premier League game constitutes a divisive act is, I'm afraid, a common failing - mostly of virtue-signalling bandwagon-jumpers who refuse to entertain the existence of a more considered, different point of view. Such as Zaha's. Which is why he should be applauded for speaking out against it. Collective common sense is the path to enlightenment and equality, not mass coercion.

I would argue that getting upset by it is the common failing here. 

 

What's the considered point of view on this one?  Don't say the players being asked to do it without consultation, nobody was talking about that a few days ago so that can't be the explanation for the complaints from its detractors ever since it became a thing, it's just a handy, ulterior, post-hoc explanation.