Who plays and where when Harvey Barnes is fit again?

[enmac]

9 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Not ideal having him wide, but it gets them on the pitch. If Vardy was 26 it would be easier, he could go wider. 

 

                Vardy

Barnes    Nacho     Madison

     Tielemans     Ndidi

 

I don't know, I've changed it about 20 times. 

 

 

 

This a bit like the Lampard, Gerard, Scholes answer. Seems we've got a golden generation problem on our hands!

[SpacedX]

40 minutes ago, LVocey said:

Barnes will still play plenty of matches, and form/injury will mean plenty of that will be played left wing. But I also feel he could be a Vardy backup.

No he couldn't. He isn't a striker, that's not his game. His strength lies in taking on and running at a defence from the left flank cutting into the inside left channel. He does not play on the shoulder of the last defender. Brendan has made this abundantly clear - he's a winger and will not be deployed up top. 

[filbertway]

4 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

No offence but I cannot get my head around someone who would drop one of Vardy, Iheanacho or Maddison (which you'd have to do) to try and shoehorn Marc Albrighton in to the team. 

No offence taken at all, I just think we're better playing the 4 2 3 1, simple as that really. Vardy would be the one I would drop aye. I'm the last person that would want to shoe horn Albrighton into the side as well

 

Apparently Under isn't ever allowed to play and I rate Albrighton would be better on the wing than Vardy.

 

[goose2010]

I think people need to stop thinking that it needs to be so rigid. The 4 up front can be fluid and don't need to have a strict position most of the top teams play like this these days. Vardy often hankers out to the left and tracks back well. With Wilf and Youri in midfield plus your defence you don't need to worry about the 4 players not tracking back as much. 

 

We need to have 3 or 4 options of teams not just 1 squad if we are to compete in 4 comps. 

[filbertway]

1 minute ago, Line-X said:

No he couldn't. He isn't a striker, that's not his game. His strength lies in taking on and running at a defence from the left flank cutting into the inside left channel. He does not play on the shoulder of the last defender. Brendan has made this abundantly clear - he's a winger and will not be deployed up top. 

Well he has the skillset to do it and was doing it in the 5-2 against Man City. Unless you missed that game I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion.

[LVFox]

21 minutes ago, Line-X said:

No he couldn't. He isn't a striker, that's not his game. His strength lies in taking on and running at a defence from the left flank cutting into the inside left channel. He does not play on the shoulder of the last defender. Brendan has made this abundantly clear - he's a winger and will not be deployed up top. 

That was when we played 1 up top, which I agree he couldn't really do. But look at Vardy in the last couple of games, he's drifted out to the left quite a bit. 

 

It doesn't get the best out of Barnes, but if you have Maddison & Iheanacho in form and Vardy gets injured, you don't change the system, you bring Barnes in up top.

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[norwichfox]

such an awkward choice of answers, great option to have on the bench. Can't see him starting before the Cup Final or in the Cup Final unless there's an injury or Rogers decides to do a Matt Gillies...

[Guest ttfn]

4 minutes ago, LVocey said:

That was when we played 1 up top, which I agree he couldn't really do. But look at Vardy in the last couple of games, he's drifted out to the left quite a big. 

 

It doesn't get the best out of Barnes, but if you have Maddison & Iheanacho in form and Vardy gets injured, you don't change the system, you bring Barnes in up top.

If we keep this system into next season you could see a situation where Barnes starts a fair few games instead of Vardy.

 

We’d obviously miss Vardy’s guile but I think Barnes has a lot of the attributes to work as a centre forward, especially in the sort of role Vardy is playing at the moment.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

56 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Same team, Barnes on the bench, and what a player to bring on after 60 mins 

He won't be here for long if he's coming off the bench. I'd sooner lose Maddison than Barnes due to a lack of game time. 

[enmac]

How about playing Vardy weekends and Barnes midweek? 

[enmac]

6 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

He won't be here for long if he's coming off the bench. I'd sooner lose Maddison than Barnes due to a lack of game time. 

If Barnes moves to another top 4 team, I doubt that he'd be guaranteed a permanent starting position so he'd have to step down in class surely? 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 minute ago, enmac said:

If Barnes moves to another top 4 team, I doubt that he'd be guaranteed a permanent starting position so he'd have to step down in class surely? 

Could argue the same with Maddison but my point stands that if one of them misses out on a starting spot and then moves on because of it, I'd rather keep Barnes.

[SpacedX]

16 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Well he has the skillset to do it and was doing it in the 5-2 against Man City. Unless you missed that game I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion.

He played in an advanced role at West Brom in the Championship too - and apologies, no I don't recall him playing on the shoulder of the last man away to Man City. My conclusion is based upon the fact that he is an out and out winger and comments from Brendan as such. 

 

17 minutes ago, LVocey said:

That was when we played 1 up top, which I agree he couldn't really do. But look at Vardy in the last couple of games, he's drifted out to the left quite a big. 

 

He has and he's filled the role brilliantly. Through necessity though. 

 

18 minutes ago, LVocey said:

It doesn't get the best out of Barnes, but if you have Maddison & Iheanacho in form and Vardy gets injured, you don't change the system, you bring Barnes in up top.

Again, maybe out of necessity but it wouldn't be through choice. It would certainly be preferable to Pérez up there. 

[urban fox]

this is where BR earns his corn. nice problem to have but it will take some work to keep everyone happy. When everyone is fit, i expect that we will see plenty of rotation and systems picked for specific games.If we want to continue dining at the top table, then we need this sort of depth in the squad and the options and mix of youth and experience that the likes of Barnes and Albrighton give us.

There will be plenty of game time for everyone over the season , as has been shown this time round with injuries, europe and cups etc.

Players will be happy to stay and be part of a successful squad if they get their fair share of pitch time and hopefully pick up a few medals en-route.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

36 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

He won't be here for long if he's coming off the bench. I'd sooner lose Maddison than Barnes due to a lack of game time. 

He’s coming back from injury he’ll be on the bench.

[Jjridgewell]

almost like a 4-2-2-2.

ndidi and tielemans deep midfielders, vards and kelechi up top and barnes and madders play a free roam role just behind them. that way madders can stay more central and barnes can stay left side if he wants and i don't think its that difficult to get that to work

[Scotch]

Its insane that folk are leaving out Kel. 

 

If I was him and had scored 8 goals in 11 game (or whatever it is) after waiting 4 years for a proper run in the team, only to be dropped, I would hand in my transfer request there and then.

 

You would be as well, pulling him aside and telling him "I have my favourites and they will always be ahead of you regardless of how well you play".

[M0901]

2 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Barnes has to win his place back for me.

I agree. On the teams current form he can’t walk back in. I also believe Kel has had his chance to shine because of Barnes’ injury.

 

No idea how we shoe horn him in, but until this system doesn’t work anymore, he doesn’t get in. Unless he can be a like for like for Vardy in a front two with Kel?

[messerschmitt]

1 hour ago, enmac said:

What makes it even more difficult is that Vardy is becoming deadly on the left flank, which is just where Barnes plays. Probably bench for me. Maybe he'll become the long term replacement for Vardy?If so, do we really need another striker? If we do get another one, will he ever play? 

I think Vardy has purposely been told to play left, some one else mentioned it on another page. If that's the case he could be alternating with Barnes while he gets back to fitness and Vardy gets a rest. Vardy has shown he can play this role and it may be where he finishes playing.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

31 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

He’s coming back from injury he’ll be on the bench.

That's not the point I was making.

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

Albrighton would be better on the wing than Vardy

 

Again, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not sure that really holds up given the last few games. 

 

I've always thought people that claim he can't play out wide have fairly short term memories given how good he was in the promotion season running wide in to the channels to support Nugent operating centrally. 

 

I think he's been excellent doing the same thing for Iheanacho recently. 

 

The trick is to not see him like a conventional winger which he obviously isn't. He's perfectly capable of dropping in to roles as a wide forward like Mane or Salah. 

[enmac]

8 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

I think Vardy has purposely been told to play left, some one else mentioned it on another page. If that's the case he could be alternating with Barnes while he gets back to fitness and Vardy gets a rest. Vardy has shown he can play this role and it may be where he finishes playing.

Can't remember off the top of my head. Has Vardy ever played this role on the right? He's right footed, so surely he could? A front 3 of Barnes, Kel and Vardy sounds pretty tasty to me. 

[filbertway]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

Again, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not sure that really holds up given the last few games. 

 

I've always thought people that claim he can't play out wide have fairly short term memories given how good he was in the promotion season running wide in to the channels to support Nugent operating centrally. 

 

I think he's been excellent doing the same thing for Iheanacho recently. 

 

The trick is to not see him like a conventional winger which he obviously isn't. He's perfectly capable of dropping in to roles as a wide forward like Mane or Salah. 

I suggested Vardy on the left wing about a month a go and was roundly laughed off stage.

 

Although that was as a 3 4 3 - like you say, he can stay forwards and drift wide as and when needed.

 

In a 4 2 3 1 I'd expect him to have to work back and have a good understanding of his responsibilities and the role in general, I don't think he has the skillset to do it either. I don't think at 34 that he'd fancy running up and down the flank either haha.

 

 

[Genesis1]

I think a better question would be when Justin is fit who gets the boot between him Castange and Ricardo, unless you play Barnes up front with Kel and Ricardo out right in a midfield 3.

[messerschmitt]

16 minutes ago, enmac said:

Can't remember off the top of my head. Has Vardy ever played this role on the right? He's right footed, so surely he could? A front 3 of Barnes, Kel and Vardy sounds pretty tasty to me. 

As a central striker some right footed forwards naturally drift over to the left as it gives you more options when shooting and a better angle.