Have we lost our momentum?

[Silver surfer 1]

13 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

 

Our poor form this season is hardly going to encourage our better players to sign a new contract in the summer when they could easily get European football elsewhere 

 

We won’t be able to shift our deadwood because they’ve proven to be useless 

 

We ARE at a crossroads with Rodgers and as a club, whether you like it or not. 
 

Given that 3 years years on he still rates Perez, it doesn’t bode well for us getting a replacement for Vestergaard 

 

 

We can continue with him and he somehow manages to pull it round. I’ve seen glimmers of hope recently but given Hamza won MOTM two weeks ago as a CB who’s then been dropped for that position in favour of Vestergaard last night, I don’t see how that’ll be possible.

 

We can continue with him and our season gets worse and worse. We’ll start next season with aims of PL survival, in the same way clubs like Southampton and Palace first and foremost set as their target.  That’s a far cry from what our targets would’ve been before this current season kicked off. 
 

Or we could get rid and start afresh, potentially salvage something of this season and kick on the next with a fresh direction

 

Liverpool (h) aside, the players don’t look like they believe in Rodgers’ football anymore. Everything around the club is stale as fcuk, players have no interest, the fans are divided and we’re absolutely shite on the pitch. 
 

Rodgers now has us playing worse than the side he inherited, albeit with a better, more talented squad. How is that possible?

 

It’s people with your attitude of calling everyone ‘melts’ who’ll allow (long term) the club to sleepwalk their way into Premier League relegation scraps, or worse. 
 

Why? Because apparently we shouldn’t hold an FA Cup winning manager to account? Bravo 

Spot on my friend .  Is appreciate where we’ve come from .  But Vichai believed in a club that fought with heart and desire . And continuous improvement , no matter how big or small , but forward .  This year has exposed , Brendan has reached his ceiling with us .  But we as a club haven’t and shouldn’t take his limitations as a stop here sign .

[The Year Of The Fox]

Just now, Silver surfer 1 said:

Spot on my friend .  Is appreciate where we’ve come from .  But Vichai believed in a club that fought with heart and desire . And continuous improvement , no matter how big or small , but forward .  This year has exposed , Brendan has reached his ceiling with us .  But we as a club haven’t and shouldn’t take his limitations as a stop here sign .

Exactly 

 

Top is ambitious and right now under Rodgers we’re marking time. 
 

Criticising Rodgers doesn’t mean we’ve forgotten the highs he brought us, and nor does it mean we’ve forgotten where we’ve come from. All that though is history. In the present day we’re absolutely shite by and large.

[dannythefox]

1 hour ago, FuriousFox46 said:

With the league season looking like a write-off, and European football out of reach, have we reached the end of our contesting the big 6 phase or do you think we can go again next season?

Next season definitely. People really do need to give there head a wobble we’ve had the most players out for an 18month period and there moaning about not finishing 6th this season or challenging in Europe. We’ll be fine once everyone is back and a couple of new faces.

[Unabomber]

It’s a weird situation cos I get the impression Rodgers thinks he is too good for us and by and large our fans think we are too good for him. Where does he end up and who do we get in? 

[Unabomber]

Personally I would stick with him and hope we have a fully fit squad next season and we can properly judge him and our team. 

[l444ry]

5 minutes ago, Silver surfer 1 said:

Spot on my friend .  Is appreciate where we’ve come from .  But Vichai believed in a club that fought with heart and desire . And continuous improvement , no matter how big or small , but forward .  This year has exposed , Brendan has reached his ceiling with us .  But we as a club haven’t and shouldn’t take his limitations as a stop here sign .

How can you come to the conclusion that Rodgers has reached his ceiling with us when half the bloody squad is either injured or away on International duty?

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, Unabomber said:

Personally I would stick with him and hope we have a fully fit squad next season and we can properly judge him and our team. 

What makes you think the injury scenario will change next season, when it’s been a perpetual thing this season?

 

Is Rodgers going to finally take some accountability on the whole thing for pushing the players too hard? I doubt it

 

And anyone thinking all these injuries are just bad luck needs to ‘give their head a wobble’ 

Edited 20 January 2022 by The Year Of The Fox

[The Year Of The Fox]

[FuriousFox46]

3 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

What makes you think the injury scenario will change next season, when it’s been a perpetual thing this season?

 

Is Rodgers going to finally take some accountability on the whole thing for pushing the players too hard? I doubt it

 

And anyone thinking all these injuries are just bad luck needs to ‘give their head a wobble’ 

This is my concern.

 

I think we can go again but I don’t understand why we would expect the injury issues to just evaporate over summer 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Just now, FuriousFox46 said:

This is my concern.

 

I think we can go again but I don’t understand why we would expect the injury issues to just evaporate over summer 

Nor expect the players to hit their form immediately after returning.

 

It took Maddison 6 months after his main injury 

[Unabomber]

8 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

What makes you think the injury scenario will change next season, when it’s been a perpetual thing this season?

 

Is Rodgers going to finally take some accountability on the whole thing for pushing the players too hard? I doubt it

 

And anyone thinking all these injuries are just bad luck needs to ‘give their head a wobble’ 

I’m more thinking the Justin and Fofana injuries which have ****ed us. Not sure what Rodgers and his team had to do with them? 

[Rigga]

Top , May be ambitious, but I can’t help but think us failing to bring a CB in during this window even on loan is pretty unbelievable..

 

everyone says it’s down to money.. we cant be ambitious and not spend.., can we ?

Out owners certainly are not skint…and I do appreciate funds have been and are out towards training ground/stadium expansion etc..

 

if we dont have European football, there wont be any need for 10000 extra  seats in the stadium..

[Silver surfer 1]

This iffy performances have been going on since the start of 2021 . That fa cup victory papered over the cracks , as mentioned var saved us .  All great managers have heart fire in their belly and a plan to the identity they want to play .

conte , Klopp , tuchel, pep.  Brendan has a plan , it’s just very reliant on fit players .  He’s definitely not got heart and fire .  I can’t imagine the players scared of him .  

[The Year Of The Fox]

Just now, Unabomber said:

I’m more thinking the Justin and Fofana injuries which have ****ed us. Not sure what Rodgers and his team had to do with them? 

Nothing of course

 

Two horrendous injuries have cost us to some degree obviously. But there’s been far more reoccurring injuries which have also hampered us massively that can only be down to mismanagement of recovery and of the players. 
 

But you’re hedging your bets on JJ and Fofana hitting the ground running, coming back as good as they left. 
 

If Fofana comes back as good as he was before he was injured, he’ll be gone very shortly after anyway. Then what? 

[Unabomber]

Just now, The Year Of The Fox said:

Nothing of course

 

Two horrendous injuries have cost us to some degree obviously. But there’s been far more reoccurring injuries which have also hampered us massively that can only be down to mismanagement of recovery and of the players. 
 

But you’re hedging your bets on JJ and Fofana hitting the ground running, coming back as good as they left. 
 

If Fofana comes back as good as he was before he was injured, he’ll be gone very shortly after anyway. Then what? 

Vestergaard has been alright just slot him back in when Fofana goes. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

3 minutes ago, Rigga said:

Top , May be ambitious, but I can’t help but think us failing to bring a CB in during this window even on loan is pretty unbelievable..

 

everyone says it’s down to money.. we cant be ambitious and not spend.., can we ?

Out owners certainly are not skint…and I do appreciate funds have been and are out towards training ground/stadium expansion etc..

 

if we dont have European football, there wont be any need for 10000 extra  seats in the stadium..

The other possible explanation is that Rodgers has told Top he’s happy with the current squad and doesn’t need anyone else. 
 

Given that 3 years on he still rates Perez it’s very very possible he still also rates Vestergaard 

 

And that would be incredibly worrying 
 

 

[kingkisnorbo]

The narrative around Rodgers in the media of him being anointed as the next choice for one of the top four will keep him in the job a lot longer than he should probably should be afforded whatever happens. 

[smudgerfox]

13 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

On top of this horror show you’d need to add Bournemouth a 4-1, Newcastle sticking 4 past us, and the slow starts including being 4 down to Man City after 20mins ..conceding 2-0 leads to Palace and Napoli - it speaks of a side with a feeble defence and poor game psychology…

[Vindaloo FOX]

I miss Harry Maguire 😢 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Just now, smudgerfox said:

On top of this horror show you’d need to add Bournemouth a 4-1, Newcastle sticking 4 past us, and the slow starts including being 4 down to Man City after 20mins ..conceding 2-0 leads to Palace and Napoli - it speaks of a side with a feeble defence and poor game psychology…

I didn’t write this but I pointed out the Bournemouth away when my mate showed it me 

 

It’s easy to forget all the occasions, there’s been far too many of them 

[Vacamion]

 

11 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

 

Quite correct. 

 

If we don't win every single game by a margin of 4 goals and dominate the Premier league, Europe and all those clubs who vastly outspend us, Brendan is an utter failure.

 

We should get rid and bring in Pep and Klopp as joint managers and buy Haaland and Lewandowski and Nathan Ake.

 

Those consecutive top 5 finishes and the FA Cup were actually down to Nigel Pearson, not Rodgers, who is a bottler.

 

Yes we have a few injuries, but that's Rodgers' fault. He tackled Fofana and he dived in on Ricardo.  Last season he lamed Evans and weighed down Madders' rucksack, injuring his hip.

 

In fact, bottler Rodgers has single-handedly failed to stop the ageing process with Evans and Vardy, so he has FAILED.

 

Bottler. Get rid...

 

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

2 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

Quite correct. 

 

If we don't win every single game by a margin of 4 goals and dominate the Premier league, Europe and all those clubs who vastly outspend us, Brendan is an utter failure.

 

We should get rid and bring in Pep and Klopp as joint managers and buy Haaland and Lewandowski and Nathan Ake.

 

Those consecutive top 5 finishes and the FA Cup were actually down to Nigel Pearson, not Rodgers, who is a bottler.

 

Yes we have a few injuries, but that's Rodgers' fault. He tackled Fofana and he dived in on Ricardo.  Last season he lamed Evans and weighed down Madders' rucksack, injuring his hip.

 

In fact, bottler Rodgers has single-handedly failed to stop the ageing process with Evans and Vardy, so he has FAILED.

 

Bottler. Get rid...

 

 

Your lack of decent argument and  facetiousness against any one of those valid points highlights how defenceless they are. 

Edited 20 January 2022 by The Year Of The Fox

[Stadt]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

Piss off with this crap, it’s been forward steps every single season he’s been here. A little bit of adversity and some of you melts lose all sense of reality.

You’re in for a surprise 

[Rigga]

17 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

The other possible explanation is that Rodgers has told Top he’s happy with the current squad and doesn’t need anyone else. 
 

Given that 3 years on he still rates Perez it’s very very possible he still also rates Vestergaard 

 

And that would be incredibly worrying 
 

 

Something is amiss somewhere..

to not sign a CB in Jan, regardless of cost..would be barmy..

 

they say prices get inflated… Villa got a good deal with Digne…

[smudgerfox]

4 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

Quite correct. 

 

If we don't win every single game by a margin of 4 goals and dominate the Premier league, Europe and all those clubs who vastly outspend us, Brendan is an utter failure.

 

We should get rid and bring in Pep and Klopp as joint managers and buy Haaland and Lewandowski and Nathan Ake.

 

Those consecutive top 5 finishes and the FA Cup were actually down to Nigel Pearson, not Rodgers, who is a bottler.

 

Yes we have a few injuries, but that's Rodgers' fault. He tackled Fofana and he dived in on Ricardo.  Last season he lamed Evans and weighed down Madders' rucksack, injuring his hip.

 

In fact, bottler Rodgers has single-handedly failed to stop the ageing process with Evans and Vardy, so he has FAILED.

 

Bottler. Get rid...

 

 

Ridiculous post. No one is blaming Rodgers for everything that has gone wrong. What no-one can dispute is that his teams are poor defensively, brittle psychologically, which makes them prone to heavy and confidence sapping defeats. It’s taken an age to fix set piece defending with BR using absent injured players who aren’t due to return for months as an excuse. What I really want to know is does Brendan deep down feel there is more to achieve. Or does he feel - as he has already said - that weve overachieved already and that we should just be grateful to have him..