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The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

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DennisNedry

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8 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

So it seems the government want to slash public spending to "trim the fat" What will be cut I wonder. I despair with this mob in charge even if only for 2 more years 

The fat was trimmed a decade ago. There's always going to be inefficiencies in large scale organisations, especially public sector ones, but the low hanging fruit has long since been picked. 'Trimming the fat' pretty much means job losses and/or attacks on working conditions, pensions etc. 

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Foxdiamond

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10 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

The fat was trimmed a decade ago. There's always going to be inefficiencies in large scale organisations, especially public sector ones, but the low hanging fruit has long since been picked. 'Trimming the fat' pretty much means job losses and/or attacks on working conditions, pensions etc. 

This is exactly what I fear 

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rachhere

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Of course - always those on benefits and low incomes to blame. Never the responsibility of those businesses not paying fair wages and exploiting workers. 

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foxes1988

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3 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

What could you do with the 400 spent on furlough and covid. 

Don't worry we've already saved over 30 billion from leaving the eu that'll cover it :thumbup:

 

Oh sorry I remembered we've spent that on the NHS.

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st albans fox

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2 hours ago, foxes1988 said:

Don't worry we've already saved over 30 billion from leaving the eu that'll cover it :thumbup:

 

Oh sorry I remembered we've spent that on the NHS.

We haven’t actually saved anything yet have we ? 

weller54

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3 hours ago, foxes1988 said:

Don't worry we've already saved over 30 billion from leaving the eu that'll cover it :thumbup:

 

Oh sorry I remembered we've spent that on the NHS.

Spunked it away on track and trace and the Nightingale Hospitals that cost Billions but were never used!!...still, I'm sure both made many of Johnson and Hancock's friends very rich!!

WigstonWanderer

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6 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I don’t believe that there was much reaction to the £65bn from a forward int rate  perspective. The markets viewed it in a positive light that the b of e wouldn’t allow the sh1tshow to become an absolute disaster over which they seemed to have no control whatsoever.  

 

 Wigston warrior has summed it up a few posts ago 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the rise in sterling following the BoE intervention isn’t what you’d normally expect. Quantitative easing usually leads to a decline in the value of a currency, but the market seems to have concluded that there are at least some adults in the room, so panic selling of sterling could stop.

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cityfanlee23

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2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

We haven’t actually saved anything yet have we ? 

We have lost a fortune in trade. Anything we've spent on the NHS was at the expense of wacking up taxes. 

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cityfanlee23

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It's quite crazy to me that many Brits regard our country as a "leading democracy", just think about this for a second, we have a Monarchy imposed on us, we have an upper chamber of lords who are appointed usually through secret handshakes with no say from the public, we have an "elected" chamber of 650 greasy pole climbers who are mostly parachuted in to say yes to the leader, forming a government that gets 100% of the power with as little as 35% of the public vote, who for their entire time in the government cycle can do practically whatever they want because they have a majority. 

We are in a situation now where we have had 3 utterly incompetent leaders in 3 about 3 years, and there is literally nothing the public can do about it because the opposition parties don't have the votes to take them down, the only way to get enough votes is for conservatives to vote against their own party and government to force an election, of which most of those conservatives will never do because they will lose their highly paid job. The ultimate corrupted incentive to keep themselves in power.
Our entire democracy hangs on the balance of corrupt people not being corrupt, in a system that perpetually incentivises corruption. 

The UK is pretty much a failed state at this point, and we have to sit and accept it. It's times like these I wish the UK public were more like the French. 

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urban.spaceman

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6 hours ago, DennisNedry said:

The fat was trimmed a decade ago. There's always going to be inefficiencies in large scale organisations, especially public sector ones, but the low hanging fruit has long since been picked. 'Trimming the fat' pretty much means job losses and/or attacks on working conditions, pensions etc. 

I can see my part time social carer job going. Last thing people with learning difficulties deserve is a quality of life. Their services, benefits and social groups will be massacred.

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Fazzer 7

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16 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Should all peaceful protesters be met with violence or just climate protesters?

When they’re blocking roads causing criminal damage and disrupting peoples lives they should be forcibly moved. I would settle for water canons though. You know like they do in other European cities. The Dutch police can be brutal. 

urban.spaceman

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37 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

When they’re blocking roads causing criminal damage and disrupting peoples lives they should be forcibly moved. I would settle for water canons though. You know like they do in other European cities. The Dutch police can be brutal. 

Don’t condone criminal damage but they have a right to protest especially about something so serious. Wouldn’t it be much easier for the government to not be hostile to them or their cause and actually do something about climate change?

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Daggers

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1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Alternative way to announce the arrival of the Tory conference

 

 

And in related matters...

 

Young Conservative vs. the Tory mayor of the West Midlands:

 

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leicsmac

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6 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Don’t condone criminal damage but they have a right to protest especially about something so serious. Wouldn’t it be much easier for the government to not be hostile to them or their cause and actually do something about climate change?

You're talking to someone who hasn't stated whether or not they think this situation actually *is* serious in spite of all the scientific evidence, urban.

 

On 30/09/2022 at 20:28, leicsmac said:

 

 

Do you agree with the scientific consensus on increased carbon dioxide emissions caused by human activity and a commensurate increase in global average temperature?

 

Assuming the above is accurate, what do you think the consequences of it will be worldwide?

 

And in light of both of the above, what would your viewpoint on policy for generating energy both in the UK and around the world in future, given that energy generation is by far the biggest cause of global carbon emissions?

@Fazzer 7

 

Any time you're ready. No rush.

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