Stadium atmosphere

[funkyrobot]

29 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

To answer your question, no I wasn't. Not through my choice and I will leave it at that.

 

However, have been at front of section since it started and do give 90 mins of backing. There is no doubt that there have been games where even there it's gone flat, we regularly address this within UFS as well. So it's not perfect but generally, it is 90 mins of support. For the atmosphere to improve, it needs a lot more people to have that mindset. Back the team even when the football might be uninspiring, trust me, it makes the matchday experience much more enjoyable. If it wasn't for the section/UFS I would likely have given up spending money/wasting my time. The matchday experience is not as enjoyable without it.

Yeh I was interested because there are a few on this thread that comment on the atmosphere from watching on the telly which isn’t really the best indicator. If you really want to critique an atmosphere it’s way more relevant if you are at the games.
 

I see that you do usually go and you are front row UFS so fair play but there definitely wasn’t 90 minutes of chanting from that or any other area in this game. Nor should anyone demand that there should be when the performance on the pitch was so bereft of any conviction, particularly after the 2nd Wood goal went in. As I’ve said, if any Leicester fan was able to chant through 90 minutes of that game then they must’ve been wearing the very finest beer goggles that money can buy. 

Edited 27 October 2024 by funkyrobot

[iancognito]

11 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Yeh I was interested because there are a few on this thread that comment on the atmosphere from watching on the telly which isn’t really the best indicator. If you really want to critique an atmosphere it’s way more relevant if you are at the games.
 

I see that you do usually go and you are front row UFS so fair play but there definitely wasn’t 90 minutes of chanting from that or any other area in this game. Nor should anyone demand that there should be when the performance on the pitch was so bereft of any conviction, particularly after the 2nd Wood goal went in. As I’ve said, if any Leicester fan was able to chant through 90 minutes of that game then they must’ve been wearing the very finest beer goggles that money can buy. 

I think as well the 90 minutes of chanting isn't relevant when it's just general singing. We sit a couple of blocks away and honestly half the time I couldn't tell if we were winning or losing. The songs are the same. It needs to be more reactive to what's going on on the pitch. The only time there's any "C'mon Leicester" or just "Leicester, Leicester" it comes from Sk3 or 4. Not sure we've ever had the whole ground involved even Filbert St the mains stand and orange seats were dead but we can do more to get an end back again. All the stuff about moving Sk to the family stand is for the birds, the club don't want that.

[funkyrobot]

5 minutes ago, iancognito said:

I think as well the 90 minutes of chanting isn't relevant when it's just general singing. We sit a couple of blocks away and honestly half the time I couldn't tell if we were winning or losing. The songs are the same. It needs to be more reactive to what's going on on the pitch. The only time there's any "C'mon Leicester" or just "Leicester, Leicester" it comes from Sk3 or 4. Not sure we've ever had the whole ground involved even Filbert St the mains stand and orange seats were dead but we can do more to get an end back again. All the stuff about moving Sk to the family stand is for the birds, the club don't want that.

Yeh I think the best option would be to make the UFS area up to the goal all safe standing if/when the expansion occurs. One full half of that end would have a significant impact noise wise. It would obviously displace a lot of people though so would probably need to come with a sweetener that would allow those displaced to move to an expanded east stand with some sort of discount for a period of time. 

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

What is that even based on? They seem to have forgotten Derby too.

same as every tier list - vibes. and Derby are next to villa, whoever made it just used the lineart of the ram so it blends into the black background 

[Corky]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

same as every tier list - vibes. and Derby are next to villa, whoever made it just used the lineart of the ram so it blends into the black background 

Thanks. Whole thing looks like a TalkSport phone in topic.

[worth_the_wait]

22 hours ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Derby and forest have more passionate supporters. Ultimately if you have passionate supporters, people use their voices because it means a lot to them. We don’t have nearly enough 

That's not true.  (unless you're specifically just referring to the last few years.)

 

In terms of passion, there is no basic difference between the folks of Leicester, Derby and Nottingham  (and Coventry for that matter). Over the last 50 years, we've all had up's and down's ... and the "passion" has ebbed and flowed accordingly.   I've been to Derby and Forest more times than I care to remember over the last 50 years - and whether it was the old terraced grounds, or newer all seater stadia - and the atmospheres have all been variable.  Mostly middling, sometimes crap and sometimes good.
 
The problem at the moment, is that Forest, Derby (and Cov) have all been crap for 20 years, but that all 3 are "on the up" to some degree at the moment.  Forest are the best they've been for 25 years, so they're currently wetting their pants.   Derby and Cov have also pulled themselves together, and are both much better now than they were a few years ago.
 
On the other hand, we're in a terrible stale patch.   In the last 10 years, we've won the Premier League and FA Cup ... and at the moment the fanbase is on a real downer, having basically been spoilt rotten in recent years.
 
Add to that, over the last 20 years Forest, Derby and Cov have been so crap that they've been able to have a bit of a "clear out" and fans have been able to relocate in their ground.   Compare to us ... we've been running pretty much on sellouts for 10 years, with no opportunity to move around our own ground.  (or not in large numbers anyway).
  
Forest haven't moved ground, so their lads have all been able to move to their Main Stand 'A' block over the years.   Cov's crowd were so bad, that all their lads could congregate in the corner.   And Derby moved the away end, and created their own proper end for their home fans.  Fair play to Derby for doing that.
 
Compare that to our useless club, who seem to positively hate anyone who tries to create any atmosphere .... with over-zealous stewarding, banning orders, pathetic clap banners, you name it.   Half the other clubs in the league have installed safe standing; our club doesn't even talk about it.
 
So yes, I'd agree that at the moment things are bad.   But Derby and Forest don't have a more passionate fan base.   We're much of a muchness.   It just that circumstances and bad club stewardship has got us into a (hopefully temporary) downer.

[CosbehFox]

10 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Modern grounds are so easy to be an opponent in. They are to nice.

Poor excuse in my opinion. The loudest atmosphere I’ve ever been in was a modern, built in the last fifteen years stadium. To the point that most City support were totally overwhelmed by the noise. Even so there was a very small occasion where 800 what attended gained a reaction out of Legia with whistling. Lovely, small modern stadia.  
 

Northern Europe is now rife with modern stadia. It’s not stopping countries elsewhere make atmospheres. 
 

It’s largely apathy at a club like LCFC. Lots of finger pointing, lots cants when all it takes is people to open their voice. Don’t like the song being sung? Start a new one. Try and try and try. 

[Paninistickers]

22 hours ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Derby and forest have more passionate supporter

Ok, I'm going back 30 years to the play off final, but this argument can be debunked there and then..

 

Derby were blown away...Our noise, we sold out (they didn't) and some (we had all the corporate areas, the olympic gallery) , the balloons, the ticker tape ...the general culture of being 'Leicester' compared with them who had zero identity...

[Fox92]

8 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Poor excuse in my opinion. The loudest atmosphere I’ve ever been in was a modern, built in the last fifteen years stadium. To the point that most City support were totally overwhelmed by the noise. Even so there was a very small occasion where 800 what attended gained a reaction out of Legia with whistling. Lovely, small modern stadia.  
 

Northern Europe is now rife with modern stadia. It’s not stopping countries elsewhere make atmospheres. 
 

It’s largely apathy at a club like LCFC. Lots of finger pointing, lots cants when all it takes is people to open their voice. Don’t like the song being sung? Start a new one. Try and try and try. 

I wasn’t necessary talking about atmosphere, just in general, which is why I brought up “opposition”. Maybe I should have posted in a match thread.

[CosbehFox]

That more passionate supporters comment is straight from the Liverpool ‘this means more’ trope 

[purpleronnie]

I think the conclusion we can reach is there isn't just one reason the atmosphere is so poor, and there's no easy solutions to fix it.

 

The problem we all have in England is the success of the league, they have a brand to protect, they want tourists to visit, the want to attract corporate fans.  They don't weant loud mouth oiks who might tarnish the rep.

 

Yes there are clubs that have more of a connection with their fan base and some have actively tried to help fans create a better atmosphere.

 

Unless the club want to make changes (why would they?) or the premier league feel that the lack of atmoshphere is harmful to their profit margins, little will change.

 

We used to look to Europe with envy,  but now theres great atmospheres in places we wouldnt expect.

 

And now there are improving, growing supporter scenes much closer to home, Scotland has shown if fans organize and if clubs are willing to listen fundemental change can happen.

 

But do fans in Leicester (and England) want change enough?  

 

 

Edited 27 October 2024 by purpleronnie

[MattFox]

20 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Ok, I'm going back 30 years to the play off final, but this argument can be debunked there and then..

 

Derby were blown away...Our noise, we sold out (they didn't) and some (we had all the corporate areas, the olympic gallery) , the balloons, the ticker tape ...the general culture of being 'Leicester' compared with them who had zero identity...

Derby are the blandest club about 

 

They do punch above their weight considering how small the city is compared to Leicester and Nottingham though 

[MattFox]

Forest were playing home games in front of less than 20k within the last 10 years

 

Idea they have some super more passionate than the rest fanbase is hilarious 

[Nolucklcfc]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Ok, I'm going back 30 years to the play off final, but this argument can be debunked there and then..

 

Derby were blown away...Our noise, we sold out (they didn't) and some (we had all the corporate areas, the olympic gallery) , the balloons, the ticker tape ...the general culture of being 'Leicester' compared with them who had zero identity...

Times have changed unfortunately. 

[Nolucklcfc]

1 hour ago, worth_the_wait said:

That's not true.  (unless you're specifically just referring to the last few years.)

 

In terms of passion, there is no basic difference between the folks of Leicester, Derby and Nottingham  (and Coventry for that matter). Over the last 50 years, we've all had up's and down's ... and the "passion" has ebbed and flowed accordingly.   I've been to Derby and Forest more times than I care to remember over the last 50 years - and whether it was the old terraced grounds, or newer all seater stadia - and the atmospheres have all been variable.  Mostly middling, sometimes crap and sometimes good.
 
The problem at the moment, is that Forest, Derby (and Cov) have all been crap for 20 years, but that all 3 are "on the up" to some degree at the moment.  Forest are the best they've been for 25 years, so they're currently wetting their pants.   Derby and Cov have also pulled themselves together, and are both much better now than they were a few years ago.
 
On the other hand, we're in a terrible stale patch.   In the last 10 years, we've won the Premier League and FA Cup ... and at the moment the fanbase is on a real downer, having basically been spoilt rotten in recent years.
 
Add to that, over the last 20 years Forest, Derby and Cov have been so crap that they've been able to have a bit of a "clear out" and fans have been able to relocate in their ground.   Compare to us ... we've been running pretty much on sellouts for 10 years, with no opportunity to move around our own ground.  (or not in large numbers anyway).
  
Forest haven't moved ground, so their lads have all been able to move to their Main Stand 'A' block over the years.   Cov's crowd were so bad, that all their lads could congregate in the corner.   And Derby moved the away end, and created their own proper end for their home fans.  Fair play to Derby for doing that.
 
Compare that to our useless club, who seem to positively hate anyone who tries to create any atmosphere .... with over-zealous stewarding, banning orders, pathetic clap banners, you name it.   Half the other clubs in the league have installed safe standing; our club doesn't even talk about it.
 
So yes, I'd agree that at the moment things are bad.   But Derby and Forest don't have a more passionate fan base.   We're much of a muchness.   It just that circumstances and bad club stewardship has got us into a (hopefully temporary) downer.

Many fair points in this but there’s an absolutely stark different at the moment and could well be because of what you mentioned about the trajectory all clubs are on. But it just seems since we’ve moved grounds it’s been so different. 

[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, worth_the_wait said:

That's not true.  (unless you're specifically just referring to the last few years.)

 

In terms of passion, there is no basic difference between the folks of Leicester, Derby and Nottingham  (and Coventry for that matter). Over the last 50 years, we've all had up's and down's ... and the "passion" has ebbed and flowed accordingly.   I've been to Derby and Forest more times than I care to remember over the last 50 years - and whether it was the old terraced grounds, or newer all seater stadia - and the atmospheres have all been variable.  Mostly middling, sometimes crap and sometimes good.
 
The problem at the moment, is that Forest, Derby (and Cov) have all been crap for 20 years, but that all 3 are "on the up" to some degree at the moment.  Forest are the best they've been for 25 years, so they're currently wetting their pants.   Derby and Cov have also pulled themselves together, and are both much better now than they were a few years ago.
 
On the other hand, we're in a terrible stale patch.   In the last 10 years, we've won the Premier League and FA Cup ... and at the moment the fanbase is on a real downer, having basically been spoilt rotten in recent years.
 
Add to that, over the last 20 years Forest, Derby and Cov have been so crap that they've been able to have a bit of a "clear out" and fans have been able to relocate in their ground.   Compare to us ... we've been running pretty much on sellouts for 10 years, with no opportunity to move around our own ground.  (or not in large numbers anyway).
  
Forest haven't moved ground, so their lads have all been able to move to their Main Stand 'A' block over the years.   Cov's crowd were so bad, that all their lads could congregate in the corner.   And Derby moved the away end, and created their own proper end for their home fans.  Fair play to Derby for doing that.
 
Compare that to our useless club, who seem to positively hate anyone who tries to create any atmosphere .... with over-zealous stewarding, banning orders, pathetic clap banners, you name it.   Half the other clubs in the league have installed safe standing; our club doesn't even talk about it.
 
So yes, I'd agree that at the moment things are bad.   But Derby and Forest don't have a more passionate fan base.   We're much of a muchness.   It just that circumstances and bad club stewardship has got us into a (hopefully temporary) downer.

Good observation this.

 

We certainly aren't any less passionate. 

 

It's actually a massive myth about the City Ground in the same way Anfield has always had that myth around it. There is no ground in England that's bouncing for 90 minutes. It just doesn't exist. Even the grounds that teams have stayed at 100 years are so much more family orientated now. 

 

We have massive nostalgia for Filbert Street and it could be great but that also had dire atmospheres. 

 

The sad thing is I thought the Great Escape and Title Win finally banished the ghost of talking about Filbert Street. We'd given it an achievement that topped anything at the old ground and an atmosphere to go with it. Literally everything got worse after and you can blame that on a lot of things. It's just sad. 

[Nolucklcfc]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

That more passionate supporters comment is straight from the Liverpool ‘this means more’ trope 

It’s not, it’s the reality at the moment. Too many are going out of routine rather than it really meaning anything to them. 

[Corky]

51 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

I think the conclusion we can reach is there isn't just one reason the atmosphere is so poor, and there's no easy solutions to fix it.

 

The problem we all have in England is the success of the league, they have a brand to protect, they want tourists to visit, the want to attract corporate fans.  They don't weant loud mouth oiks who might tarnish the rep.

 

Yes there are clubs that have more of a connection with their fan base and some have actively tried to help fans create a better atmosphere.

 

Unless the club want to make changes (why would they?) or the premier league feel that the lack of atmoshphere is harmful to their profit margins, little will change.

 

We used to look to Europe with envy,  but now theres great atmospheres in places we wouldnt expect.

 

And now there are improving, growing supporter scenes much closer to home, Scotland has shown if fans organize and if clubs are willing to listen fundemental change can happen.

 

But do fans in Leicester (and England) want change enough?  

 

 

I think we have a follow the crowd fanbase which makes things tougher. I know we mock the people moaning about the Tifos blocking the view but the old, tired Kop contributes in the majority to them. If we had a standing section and the club encouraged the fans in there to create a racket I do believe they would. The atmosphere is bland and flat most of the time but in the past 18 months we have had two winning goals against Wolves and Birmingham that produced incredible noise. Look how well received the away end at Preston was.

 

Yes, the fans could do more but if the club won't try and accommodate situations then it will make it harder to achieve. Are Norwich and Southampton more passionate fanbases than us? Clubs with seriously better communication? Not at all but they have got ends behind the goal dedicated to safe standing and vocal support.

 

Put safe standing in, create an end, encourage backing and I think we'll improve.

 

 

[CosbehFox]

26 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

It’s not, it’s the reality at the moment. Too many are going out of routine rather than it really meaning anything to them. 

One team is playing well, the other playing not so well. 
 

The atmosphere on Monday night at City Ground was largely shocking v Palace. 
 

English football fans have this cyclic mindset. Countless clubs who had great atmospheres, now bad and vice versa. Seen it with Cov in particularly recently 

[Nolucklcfc]

10 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

One team is playing well, the other playing not so well. 
 

The atmosphere on Monday night at City Ground was largely shocking v Palace. 
 

English football fans have this cyclic mindset. Countless clubs who had great atmospheres, now bad and vice versa. Seen it with Cov in particularly recently 

Maybe it’ll come back I don’t know but there’s definitely an issue with it not meaning as much to our fans at the moment. Maybe some feel we reached our peak, but I’m not sure we’d have created the same end forest did on Friday in the same circumstances. 

[MattFox]

14 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

One team is playing well, the other playing not so well. 
 

The atmosphere on Monday night at City Ground was largely shocking v Palace. 
 

English football fans have this cyclic mindset. Countless clubs who had great atmospheres, now bad and vice versa. Seen it with Cov in particularly recently 

Maybe 

 

But if Forest were playing us on Monday not Palace they’d have had people standing in 4 stands and the place would have been up for it big time 

 

We’re not very good at rising to big occasions for whatever reason atm

[MS0204]

2 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Maybe it’ll come back I don’t know but there’s definitely an issue with it not meaning as much to our fans at the moment. Maybe some feel we reached our peak, but I’m not sure we’d have created the same end forest did on Friday in the same circumstances. 

I think your right but I think you only have to look at the quality of our songbook to realise that.. all these clubs have songs that are happy and get people jumping around, singing loud and proud.. freed from desire is a classic one.. we have nothing like that.. 

[CosbehFox]

8 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Maybe it’ll come back I don’t know but there’s definitely an issue with it not meaning as much to our fans at the moment. Maybe some feel we reached our peak, but I’m not sure we’d have created the same end forest did on Friday in the same circumstances. 

Literally did the week before at Southampton and when did them 4-0 two season ago or when did them 3-2 at their place. 
 

I agree our supporters are in a routine but there’s many what would be the same in the similar scenario. There’s a handful of fanbases in England who are militant enough or passionate enough step outside of that apathy for me 

[CosbehFox]

7 minutes ago, MattFox said:

Maybe 

 

But if Forest were playing us on Monday not Palace they’d have had people standing in 4 stands and the place would have been up for it big time 

 

We’re not very good at rising to big occasions for whatever reason atm

Ahhh what you described was literally what happened two seasons ago when we did them 4-0

[goody2028]

2 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Ahhh what you described was literally what happened two seasons ago when we did them 4-0

SK1 was bouncing that night.