Southampton away 1-0 full time

[Claridge]

1 hour ago, ealingfox said:

What I find most disturbing is that both the manager and players are pushing the narrative that we were unlucky and deserved to win? If they really think that they are deluded and we are in even bigger trouble than thought. We created chuff all, did we even have a shot on target?

Not unlucky, just rubbish finishing, but they should of won

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, Richmondfox said:

No other team that plays from the back plays as slow as us. Ward and the squad should just ignore the the tactics and go long from the goal kick or play quickly but I think Ward is like my dog, happy to get a run around and his treats. 
 

Our players just stand there and move the ball side to side and allow themselves to be closed down.  Faes is too slow and casual on the ball when they knock it about the back. 

 

Soton went long from the goal kick, one punt and it’s on our half. We would take 20 passes side to side for Riccy P to constantly try and lift it past a player but wouldn’t leave our own half. 

 

Timmy is useless, I think his major eye injury did something to his brain. What gets me is when he’s calling for the ball, knocks it back to Faes then apologises to Barnes for not sending him on his way. The only time he really got forward he got in Madisons way, madders then created space but Tim didn’t even attempt to move into the free area where he could’ve got a cross in. He rarely looks to be progressive in his play or attempt to set Barnes free. I miss the days of Vardy chasing a chipped ball into the channels. 
 

Mendy and KDH would instantly pass back even if they were unmarked, which would kill any progress. KDH has a terrible first touch, at one point he did his standard 270 degree turn before he can pass forward as he can’t use his right foot but he just turned it into the feet of the soton player which started an attack off for them. 
 

Nacho had gone back to being a pinball bumper, he holds onto the ball for too long as he can’t kick it with his right and does too much with no end result. It’s so frustrating as he can clearly play and score. 
 

This was another game where we lost against ourselves not the opposition. 

Disagree with most of what was written until that last line. 

 

I actually thought KDH and Mendy played fairly well. Well, 6/10 anyways. There were no stinkers (Tete apart) . Barnes was having one of his off days, Nacho too...but both are like that anyways. 

 

But you are correct. We beat ourselves with a) an inability to ride pressure b) an inability to manage games and disrupt momentum c) unable to move through the gears. We have only two gears; coasting or totally out of control 

[coolhandfox]

Tactical master class to play Maddison wide left and Praet wide right.

 

Would have been much better stick Maddison at the tip of a diamond! With Mendy at the base, Praet on the right and KDH on the left of of it.

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

1 hour ago, ealingfox said:

What I find most disturbing is that both the manager and players are pushing the narrative that we were unlucky and deserved to win? If they really think that they are deluded and we are in even bigger trouble than thought. We created chuff all, did we even have a shot on target?

To be fair, managers can't win with this one. Refuse to say the team played crap and they're deluded fools, say the team played crap and they're throwing the players under the bus.

Ideally we'd stop having these utterly pointless interviews with managers who are now too well trained to ever say anything interesting, but sadly that's not going to happen.

[Corky]

2 hours ago, ealingfox said:

What I find most disturbing is that both the manager and players are pushing the narrative that we were unlucky and deserved to win? If they really think that they are deluded and we are in even bigger trouble than thought. We created chuff all, did we even have a shot on target?

We did create good chances, our finishing was awful. For once it wasn't our ponderous play that was the issue.

 

We certainly weren't unlucky and if you have no shots on target you don't deserve to win.

[TrentFox]

I missed all the build-up yesterday - what has happened to VK? Is he ill or injured? 

[Sunbury Fox]

2 minutes ago, TrentFox said:

I missed all the build-up yesterday - what has happened to VK? Is he ill or injured? 

Out for a month after our 100000th training ground injury of the last 3 seasons. 

[TrentFox]

4 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

Out for a month after our 100000th training ground injury of the last 3 seasons. 

Is that humour or for real??? 🥴

[Sunbury Fox]

The month out due to a training ground injury is sadly true. 

[Dickov22]

3 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Tactical master class to play Maddison wide left and Praet wide right.

 

Would have been much better stick Maddison at the tip of a diamond! With Mendy at the base, Praet on the right and KDH on the left of of it.

I thought the same. Our best player stuck out wide when we’re desperate for a goal. It’s just a shambles 

[CosbehFox]

5 hours ago, ealingfox said:

What I find most disturbing is that both the manager and players are pushing the narrative that we were unlucky and deserved to win? If they really think that they are deluded and we are in even bigger trouble than thought. We created chuff all, did we even have a shot on target?

Yep it’s like the enormity of the situation hasn’t dawned on any of them yet. Either that or they don’t care. 

[CosbehFox]

3 hours ago, Corky said:

We did create good chances, our finishing was awful. For once it wasn't our ponderous play that was the issue.

 

We certainly weren't unlucky and if you have no shots on target you don't deserve to win.

I’m not overly sure we did. Two of them were gift wrapped by a goalkeeper way out of his depth. Souttar’s chance doesn’t happen with someone competent in the sticks and neither does Kelechi’s very individual effort over the bar

[CosbehFox]

5 hours ago, Md9 said:

Just seen that tackle from Alvarez surely that should have been a red card? Not that it would have changed a lot but still that’s 2 in a short space of time where the opposition should have been down to ten 

It probably should have been but looked at the lack of challenging the referee. So soft 

[Dahnsouff]

To me, anything other than our utter weak mentality is missing the point completely. We did boss the game for 30 minutes, we failed to score, they got a penalty which Ward saved, but at that point, we looked broken. We never recovered, it’s so depressingly weak minded.

[Chelmofox]

3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

It probably should have been but looked at the lack of challenging the referee. So soft 

VAR shouldn’t be checking if players swarm over the ref. It should check and make the right decision regardless. Bad challenge, but we’ve seen players get away with it this season. Don’t think Madders and co shouting at the ref would have made much difference. 

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Chelmofox said:

VAR shouldn’t be checking if players swarm over the ref. It should check and make the right decision regardless. Bad challenge, but we’ve seen players get away with it this season. Don’t think Madders and co shouting at the ref would have made much difference. 

Wouldn’t have on that challenge. But you can influence a referee’s thinking throughout the game from then on. It wasn’t Alcaraz’s only foul in the first half. Plenty occasions we’ve seen referees levelled up a decision later on in games 
 

Alongside that it just gives the vibe of a team which lacks spirit, team work and the ability to fight for each other. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

Wouldn’t have on that challenge. But you can influence a referee’s thinking throughout the game from then on. It wasn’t Alcaraz’s only foul in the first half. Plenty occasions we’ve seen referees levelled up a decision later on in games 
 

Alongside that it just gives the vibe of a team which lacks spirit, team work and the ability to fight for each other. 

It’s true, players can play their part in building a siege mentality, in fact, I do not believe it can come just from the manager.

[coolhandfox]

You can't miss sitters!

 

Nacho and Souttar should have scored.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, coolhandfox said:

You can't miss sitters!

 

Nacho and Souttar should have scored.

Yes they should, but adversity happens in every game, and you have to be able to shrug it off and go again. We didn’t.

[coolhandfox]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Yes they should, but adversity happens in every game, and you have to be able to shrug it off and go again. We didn’t.

Poor finishing isn't adversity.

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

Poor finishing isn't adversity.

Anything can be considered adversity if your mentality permits it..

[Chelmofox]

8 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Wouldn’t have on that challenge. But you can influence a referee’s thinking throughout the game from then on. It wasn’t Alcaraz’s only foul in the first half. Plenty occasions we’ve seen referees levelled up a decision later on in games 
 

Alongside that it just gives the vibe of a team which lacks spirit, team work and the ability to fight for each other. 

Madders has been booked a few times this season for being over bearing with the ref. Not sure it helped either. 

[BigMicky]

22 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Ok. Let’s take your point of view.

 

What was the excuse for the defensive high line and ridiculously poor press (similar issues we saw v Blackburn (different players) and at times v Arsenal oh and Man U (twice)) ?

To answer your question, the high line would have been fine from a tactical perspective if we hadn't conceeded posession prior to the through ball. It was basics to look after the ball in that area and once again our players failed to do so. Is it Rodgers fault KDH couldnt control a ball last night? Is it his fault that our defenders can't hit the target from 6 yards with free headers?  You can blame Rodgers for many things but yesterday was down to woeful finishing. As i keep saying put those chances away and we comfortably win that game. The tactics carved out those chances regardless of how poor or boring the football is, the players failed. Its really not hard to understand.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

52 minutes ago, BigMicky said:

To answer your question, the high line would have been fine from a tactical perspective if we hadn't conceeded posession prior to the through ball. It was basics to look after the ball in that area and once again our players failed to do so. Is it Rodgers fault KDH couldnt control a ball last night? Is it his fault that our defenders can't hit the target from 6 yards with free headers?  You can blame Rodgers for many things but yesterday was down to woeful finishing. As i keep saying put those chances away and we comfortably win that game. The tactics carved out those chances regardless of how poor or boring the football is, the players failed. Its really not hard to understand.

Do you think we have the current choice of CBs to play said high line ? 

[BigMicky]

28 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Do you think we have the current choice of CBs to play said high line ? 

Your insistance on changing the subject isnt very becoming. I have answered your points but I will humour you. Lets look at the Arsenal game, terribly frustrating but we were beaten by a team that is flying a 1-0 loss isnt the end of the world. UTD, if we take our chances in the 1st half its a different game, we didnt and they punished us. Did you really expect any points from those two fixtures?  We have played a high line and conceeded, is that due to us losing posession or giving the ball away in the wrong areas initially? Or that high line? How many times was the high line a sucess yesterday or against Arsenal or UTD. You hatred for one man clouds your judgement or you haven't really got a clue. Either way, do you find it acceptable that 3 premier league players missed all those chances yesterday?