Self criticism

[Lcfc098]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

So then you're literally agreeing the atmosphere is good when things are going well on the pitch

 

What are you arguing for? 

Haha what? Would you not class winning the FA cup and being in the top 5 challenging top 4 for two seasons in a row doing well on the pitch?

[kingkisnorbo]

14/15 I think we got behind them because we had people in the club and on the pitched who galvanised the fans. Cambiasso, King, Vardy, Schmeichel. And I know this one will make some of the forum wet themselves but Pearson. The lack of affinity between players/manager and fans is coming to the fore. I just don't think anyone is as arsed about each other. 

[Finnegan]

5 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Haha what? Would you not class winning the FA cup and being in the top 5 challenging top 4 for two seasons in a row doing well on the pitch?

 

Yeah and the atmosphere in the ground when we were doing well in early 19/20 was fine, as it was in the cup run and given the limited numbers because of covid our fans gave a great account of themselves at Wembley too. 

 

But the post title winning years have seen a lot of inconsistency, a lot of disappointment, a lot of significant drops in form and a lot of frustration and that's obviously had an impact on people's morale. 

 

The atmosphere in the ground is largely tied to the wider, broader morale of the fan base more than the quality of the football on display minute by minute. When the mood is shit people are quieter, it isn't rocket science. 

[Lcfc098]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

Yeah and the atmosphere in the ground when we were doing well in early 19/20 was fine, as it was in the cup run and given the limited numbers because of covid our fans gave a great account of themselves at Wembley too. 

 

But the post title winning years have seen a lot of inconsistency, a lot of disappointment, a lot of significant drops in form and a lot of frustration and that's obviously had an impact on people's morale. 

 

The atmosphere in the ground is largely tied to the wider, broader morale of the fan base more than the quality of the football on display minute by minute. When the mood is shit people are quieter, it isn't rocket science. 

UNTRUE

[Fox92]

10 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Haha what? Would you not class winning the FA cup and being in the top 5 challenging top 4 for two seasons in a row doing well on the pitch?

Those seasons were impacted by Covid and lack of fans, mind.

[Fox92]

12 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

14/15 I think we got behind them because we had people in the club and on the pitched who galvanised the fans. Cambiasso, King, Vardy, Schmeichel. And I know this one will make some of the forum wet themselves but Pearson. The lack of affinity between players/manager and fans is coming to the fore. I just don't think anyone is as arsed about each other. 

I saw some things during that season which I see now. I remember being at Upton Park and some guy in front of me hit someone else because their opinion on the players performance differed.

 

People seem to look back at that season now with a of gleam, but at the time it wasn't true. People still argued about performances and results, people wanted the manager out, the atmosphere wasn't as good as what people seem to think it was looking back. Being in a relegation battle isn't fun, regardless of whether you're a newly promoted side or not.

Edited 16 March 2023 by Fox92

[Finnegan]

16 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

UNTRUE

 

SIGH

[kingkisnorbo]

11 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I saw some things during that season which I see now. I remember being at Upton Park and some guy in front of me hit someone else because their opinion on the players performance differed.

 

People seem to look back at that season now with a of gleam, but at the time it wasn't true. People still argued about performances and results, people wanted the manager out, the atmosphere wasn't as good as what people seem to think it was looking back. Being in a relegation battle isn't fun, regardless of whether you're a newly promoted side or not.

It didn’t feel even remotely as shit as this does. 

[NasPb]

5 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

It's not the fans' fault FFS.  Blame the owners and the manager, who deserve it, and stop trying to find reasons to excuse their awful performance.

Of course it's not our fault. My apologies if it seemed i was insinuating that. I just wanted to brainstorm, what can we do ourselves to make our bad situation be more known? That's about it. Pardon me

[Dahnsouff]

18 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

It didn’t feel even remotely as shit as this does. 

Isn't it far more likely to be recency bias? 

[kingkisnorbo]

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Isn't it far more likely to be recency bias? 

No.

[Fox92]

37 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

It didn’t feel even remotely as shit as this does. 

It's because you forget, and what is happening now is more recent.

 

But teams turning up beating us 0-1 at home with no effort was shit. Palace, Stoke, WBA. And don't even get me started on Villa away in the FA Cup.

 

Go back and look at the threads on here, from that time, and you'll see. It might even cheer you up.

[Lcfc098]

21 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

It's because you forget, and what is happening now is more recent.

 

But teams turning up beating us 0-1 at home with no effort was shit. Palace, Stoke, WBA. And don't even get me started on Villa away in the FA Cup.

 

Go back and look at the threads on here, from that time, and you'll see. It might even cheer you up.

Difference is we knew what we'd be getting at the beginning of the 14/15 season. Fast forward a premiership, fa cup and champions league quarter final no one expects us to be where we are.

[Fox92]

33 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Difference is we knew what we'd be getting at the beginning of the 14/15 season. Fast forward a premiership, fa cup and champions league quarter final no one expects us to be where we are.

Shouldn't make a difference to the atmosphere, unless you're admitting it is only good when we're good on the pitch. Which is the opposit to your comments on the last page.

Edited 16 March 2023 by Fox92

[kingkisnorbo]

55 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

It's because you forget, and what is happening now is more recent.

 

But teams turning up beating us 0-1 at home with no effort was shit. Palace, Stoke, WBA. And don't even get me started on Villa away in the FA Cup.

 

Go back and look at the threads on here, from that time, and you'll see. It might even cheer you up.

Thank you for telling me how I feel. 

[Fox92]

Just now, kingkisnorbo said:

Thank you for telling me how I feel. 

Well considering you posted about people not being "arsed about each other", I would suggest you were the one that was first telling people how they felt.

[Vestan Pance]

I don't know whether there is an element of people giving up?

 

When you see zero accountability for the poor signings, terrible financial results and awful football, maybe it's hard to feel anything you do as a fan will make a difference? I'm going to keep shouting for every decision and supporting as much as I can, but it's getting harder to believe amongst the mess they're making.

[Lcfc098]

58 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Shouldn't make a difference to the atmosphere, unless you're admitting it is only good when we're good on the pitch. Which is the opposit to your comments on the last page.

How is having expectations for the season the same as the football being played on the pitch? 

[funkyrobot]

3 hours ago, Lcfc098 said:

I don't disagree. What's untrue is that our home atmosphere is great when we're playing good. It's poor either way

Don’t agree with that. When they are playing well, the atmosphere is great. We’ve been starved of quality for so long at home, the atmosphere has been shite when the effort on the pitch has been poor. 3 wins in the league all season and it wasn’t great last season too. It’s a lot to expect of a support to carry a team for such a long time when the team aren’t applying themselves or are clearly way out of their depth. The impression that half the team are apparently desperate to leave doesn’t help the atmosphere. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Not really. 

 

In fact it's pretty much exactly accurate. 

 

Our home atmosphere very much depends on what's happening on the pitch more than the other way around. 

Sad isn't it?

 

Whilst it's not unique to us and is becoming more and more common, there are clubs whose fans will keep the vocal support going through thick and thin, rather than yelling FFS the moment the first mistake is made.

 

This isn't excusing on the pitch performance, but any sports psychologist will tell you that positive encouragement will increase performance - especially as, allegedly, the management is draining it from them. 

[grobyfox1990]

4 hours ago, Fox92 said:

I saw some things during that season which I see now. I remember being at Upton Park and some guy in front of me hit someone else because their opinion on the players performance differed.

 

People seem to look back at that season now with a of gleam, but at the time it wasn't true. People still argued about performances and results, people wanted the manager out, the atmosphere wasn't as good as what people seem to think it was looking back. Being in a relegation battle isn't fun, regardless of whether you're a newly promoted side or not.

100% true. Soton away mid November and Villa away that Sunday in December the ones that stand out for me. Saw loooooads of people swinging their arms around and moaning - comments such as 'why doesn't anyone care about this team!!' 'We are letting 10 years of work drip away by falling straight back into the championship!' 'that's it I'm not coming back next week' etc etc. Comments exactly the same as they are now. Anyone that thinks the period after the 5-3 win against Utd was all roses and wide scale backing of the team was probably not alive or watching on TV.

 

EDIT - also remember pre Arsenal away midweek when Pearson was reportedly sacked, there were plenty I overheard at the Emirates that match who were saying they wish he had gone. Probably the same types now that are saying they always backed him.

Edited 16 March 2023 by grobyfox1990

[Stuntman_Mike]

5 hours ago, Fox92 said:

I saw some things during that season which I see now. I remember being at Upton Park and some guy in front of me hit someone else because their opinion on the players performance differed.

 

People seem to look back at that season now with a of gleam, but at the time it wasn't true. People still argued about performances and results, people wanted the manager out, the atmosphere wasn't as good as what people seem to think it was looking back. Being in a relegation battle isn't fun, regardless of whether you're a newly promoted side or not.

You've reminded me of infighting at Old Trafford that year where rows of city fans were falling over each other as things got heated at the end.

 

It wasn't nice to see but it seemed people actually cared more back then.

[Sly]

More vocal support doesn’t mean our players perform better. 
 

Our stadium isn’t t the New Den and you haven’t got supporters baying for blood, intimidating the opposition, like Chilwell at Millwall. 
 

We’ll never have that. Our fan base demographic isn’t the same as a team of ultras etc. Football has moved on. This isn’t a sign of the times. Football is entertainment and if the crowd are enjoying the game, they’ll be more vocal, if they aren’t, they won’t. Simple. 
 

 

[Mike Oxlong]

I’m going to do a few short bursts of claps every game to motivate other fans. I’m also going to buy a notebook and pen so I can doodle when the football becomes unwatchable 

[cruzFOX]

Vardy gas has said a couple of times in interviews his favourite moments was from the great escape season. Everything else was just the icing on the cake. Tells you everything you need to know about that fearless never quit team. I don’t know what kind of team we have right now. Maybe they will eventually start fighting when we are down to our final few games? Who knows…