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World Cup in Qatar timing

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Talk on Football Focus on the beeb today from Stephen Warnock was that the World Cup coming when it did in late November could pan out to be hugely detrimental to our season at the end of it, bearing in mind the timing of it and that we had won four from five up to it's start....before then failing to win any of the five next games after the re-start....rather like our form in the wretched Covid re-start era in April 2020 anon of course. That was with us only getting a point at home to Brighton before the last two wins finally came about versus Villa and Spurs - the latter of course which still remains our last! Does that reasoning carry much weight with those on here? I suppose others would argue it was the same for all teams but I think benefitted those more having a break who were on a poor run up to the start of the World Cup more than those who were on a roll like us. I think we'd all agree that it's a valid point but perhaps still smacks of a BBC pundit still making excuses for Rodgers?! I suppose Maddison coming back from the tournament still injured/ill and jetlagged/jaded didn't help among other factors - despite not even starting a game - along with one or two other of our players who were involved in it for other nations - and that all might stack up to be more relevant than we presently think come this May?

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3 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

It was the injury to Justin rather than the world cup that stopped our momentum from nov/Dec in my opinion. 

Definitely another factor! 

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I remember saying at the time “we don’t want the season to stop here”, we were winning consecutive away games, confidence was up, Maddison was electric ( but was injured vs West Ham). It was very unfortunate timing but aside from Maddison’s fitness the restart games were shambolic, I think for 3 consecutive games we lost a player to injury in the first 20 minutes, in one case pre-kick off, shambolic and costly. I noticed a few cases for other clubs, the thing of not having a pre-season equivalent but ours needed some accountability and explanation beyond “bad luck”. 

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1 minute ago, South Shire Fox said:

He was hardly pulling up trees 

He was a miss at that time as things had started to finally click in defence with our sudden array of clean sheets but nonetheless I suppose he was still a part of the team that oh so dreadful start that could prove to be so costly come May now also! 

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Can't speak too much for this season as we started terribly and were ill-equiped to begin with.

 

For the COVID break however, I still firmly believe we'd have picked up enough points to get us over the line had it not happened.

 

All relative though, would the FA Cup win have still happened then? And being in the Champions League without being able to go to games would have been pretty grim

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46 minutes ago, don_danbury said:

we played crap teams and got a few wins from some cracking goals from tielemans. i remember people genuinely thought rodgers had turned it around lol 

 

A wee bit sobering on present reflection now to think all of those crap teams apart from West Ham (who have Europa involvement and two games in hand), are all ahead of us in the league - which speaks volumes maybe! 

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13 minutes ago, Phenom said:

How many excuses do people have to make for Rodgers?

It was more what Stephen Warnock was saying on FF  : I'm not defending BR at all btw - more just wondering what might have been had the World Cup not happened at a (very) weird time of year, given the run we were on going into it. Likely to divide opinion I guess..... 

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3 hours ago, Phenom said:

How many excuses do people have to make for Rodgers?

Its a very fair point given how streaky we are as a side. Doesn't mean people are suggesting we'd be fighting for top 6th though, we'd more than likely have fell off the wagon again by now but could easily have had a handful more points right now

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It did affect our flow, our momentum at a time when we were picking up wins. But it doesn’t excuse what happened after. It’s been an utter shambles.

 

People say he’s a ‘top manager’. If he was we wouldnt be at the bottom. We wouldn’t have 0 wins in 7. We wouldn’t go 2 games without a shot on target. 
 

A top manager would have used the break to his advantage, stopped the rot earlier, changed things sooner. 
 

It was the same for all. Just we don’t have the mental strength, a team with a desire to turn it round. That is on him. 

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The xG in those games was largely similar to what we’ve been doing now. We’ve just regressed to our post 2021 Rodgers’ mean.

 

Stephen Warnock is a dunce, he once said Red Star Belgrade players were part time.

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11 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

It did affect our flow, our momentum at a time when we were picking up wins. But it doesn’t excuse what happened after. It’s been an utter shambles.

 

People say he’s a ‘top manager’. If he was we wouldnt be at the bottom. We wouldn’t have 0 wins in 7. We wouldn’t go 2 games without a shot on target. 
 

A top manager would have used the break to his advantage, stopped the rot earlier, changed things sooner. 
 

It was the same for all. Just we don’t have the mental strength, a team with a desire to turn it round. That is on him. 

Yes, also unlike now back then we were defeating teams that were (and still are!) seen as our relegation rivals rather than losing to them lately like we have to Southampton and now Palace : there was Wolves 0-4 away, West Ham and Everton at their places too, plus we had taken apart Forest 4-0 at home at the start of that mostly positive run following our dreadful start. I suppose some will say Tielemans was instrumental in all of that in some of those games while Maddisomn was firing on all cylinders until getting crocked at West Ham, an injury which arguably cost him his place in the World Cup too.

Moreover I am not defending BR here by any stretch and was just trying to broaden out the reasons a bit more as to why we are where we are now. The momentum we had was definitely disrupted by the World Cup coming when it did though, whatever one may argue back. Like you say though Rodgers should have been addressing the continuation of that momentum in time for straight after the World Cup but the players all looked as if each and everyone of them had just had intense World Cup involvement in Qatar for the first game back when basically not turning up v Newcastle on Boxing Day - that as opposed to the reality of most of them having been effectively rested from competitive football of course! All immaterial now anyway with Rodgers finally having been shown the door as of today.....! :) 
 

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Let’s clutch at some more straws shall we? Obviously the timing didn’t help because somehow we had managed to keep 6 clean sheets out of 8 games with a team consisting of Ward, Faes & Amartey. Seems a bloody miracle we did that now!

 

But I’m sick and tired of all these ifs, buts and maybes… tbh, I more wonder just what the hell we were doing at Seagrave with the rest of the squad over that 6 week break because that first game back on Boxing Day vs Newcastle was an absolute disgrace. And then we’ve carried on that guff form ever since, which was the same guff Rodgers served up for the first 6 or 7 games of the season. 
 

Managers have what I consider a ‘natural lifecycle’ at a club (there’s a handful of exceptions), and it was blatantly obvious that Brendan’s was up here a long time ago. Let’s hope the clean slate hasn’t come too late! 

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Its not that the world cup stopped our momentum, it was part of the revolving cycle under Rodgers, go through terrible sustained runs broken by the odd run of a couple of wins, saving his job, all coinciding with better performances going against his way and philosophy, only to return to long runs of us being awful.

 

Unfortunately (Yes, unfortunately) we had abit of an upturn before the world cup saving his job, if it wasn't for that I believe he'd have gone far earlier.

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6 minutes ago, MalletFox said:

Let’s clutch at some more straws shall we? Obviously the timing didn’t help because somehow we had managed to keep 6 clean sheets out of 8 games with a team consisting of Ward, Faes & Amartey. Seems a bloody miracle we did that now!

 

But I’m sick and tired of all these ifs, buts and maybes… tbh, I more wonder just what the hell we were doing at Seagrave with the rest of the squad over that 6 week break because that first game back on Boxing Day vs Newcastle was an absolute disgrace. And then we’ve carried on that guff form ever since, which was the same guff Rodgers served up for the first 6 or 7 games of the season. 
 

Managers have what I consider a ‘natural lifecycle’ at a club (there’s a handful of exceptions), and it was blatantly obvious that Brendan’s was up here a long time ago. Let’s hope the clean slate hasn’t come too late! 

Indeed! I agree that we were a disgrace at home against Newcastle on Boxing Day in the first game back as I alluded to in my post just above yours, no two ways about that - and indeed that we have been that for most of this season, especially this past month. Even with some of the duds in our team like Amartey, Ward - with other once great players in sharp regression this season under Rodgers' tenure (Vardy, Ndidi. etc), the likes of Soyuncu never being played and with the injuries to Justin, Maddison off and on, Tielemans....then even so no way should this squad be in the bottom three!! 

In the grander scheme of things then although I'd like to be wrong then I fear his sacking may have come a couple of games too late as far as this season is concerned....even though I think he should have walked last summer, or even been fired straight after the Forest FA Cup debacle that we were the holders of. Nevertheless then as others have said we still have ten games to go and not too bad a 'run in' compared to others in the mix. It really is down to the players to want to get out of it now, the only part of Rodgers we can now realistically blame is his legacy for the remainder of this season. 

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35 minutes ago, Matt said:

Its not that the world cup stopped our momentum, it was part of the revolving cycle under Rodgers, go through terrible sustained runs broken by the odd run of a couple of wins, saving his job, all coinciding with better performances going against his way and philosophy, only to return to long runs of us being awful.

 

Unfortunately (Yes, unfortunately) we had abit of an upturn before the world cup saving his job, if it wasn't for that I believe he'd have gone far earlier.

Yes, either that autumnal upturn of fortunes saved Rodgers his job in the nick of time or perhaps more realistically those quirky back to back February wins when least expected against Villa and Spurs when most people were predicting we'd be "lucky to get nil" of course and when the team were playing non-Rodgers ball in both games! Then of course after the second half collapse at Old Trafford to 'Yanited' then things reverted back to type. Anyway it all came out in the wash in the end it now seems!

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32 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

We were totally shite at the start of the season too - 1 point in the first 7 - I really not sure it was really that impactful. Seems like a blip of positivity in a season of doom

Well summarised! 👍🏻

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